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  • Andrea Celli
    THANKS !!!!!!!!!!!!! My idea of mount up-down the pole-pin was not so wrong. But, evidently, i did an error in assembling parts. Now it works fine and soon i
    Message 1 of 8 , Feb 1, 2011
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      THANKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!

      My idea of "mount up-down the pole-pin" was not so wrong. But, evidently, i did an error in assembling parts.
      Now it works fine and soon i will post a new photo.
      Is it possible  to copy John's  precious image in planimeter's album?

      Now i have to find a bit of information about Mr. Bernard ;-)

      Andrea

      2011/1/31 collectingken <ken_kjs@...>
       

      Hi Andrea,

      I checked my ~1920 Morin catalog and it didn't list this planimeter, so John's date of around WWII seems reasonable. Glad he could find that catalog image, I don't think I could have figured out how to assemble it properly.

      Ken


      --- In DrawingInstruments@yahoogroups.com, "planimetrica" <planimetrica@...> wrote:
      >
      > Hello Andrea,
      >
      > Thanks for posting your Morin planimeter, never seen this one before. I just received an email message from fellow collector Harrie about this very planimeter. Please see the illustration in my album of this planimeter from a Morin (engineers?) diary. This shows the correct configuration of the various parts.
      > The said diary is undated but most likely from just before or just after WW2, according to fellow collector Harrie. Not much more I can say, picture says it all.
      >
      > John
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > --- In DrawingInstruments@yahoogroups.com, a.celli@ wrote:
      > >
      > > Hello All.
      > > i found this planimeter (see photos in album), but i'm not able to mount and use it :-(
      > >
      > > My idea is that some parts are missed. Likely a connection arm-rule.
      > > Actually, pole is to large and don't fit in the "rail". If i mount up-down the pole-pin, it fits almost well in the rail, but arm is not horizontal.
      > > May be i have to make a small metal bar, fitting in the rail and having a small hole in the center. Haven't i?
      > >
      > > Other suggestions?
      > >
      > > Thanks, andrea
      > >
      >


    • Andrea Celli
      Hello, in Morin catalog we can see the ad for a book, sold for 3.50 francs According to
      Message 2 of 8 , Feb 1, 2011
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        Hello,

        in Morin catalog we can see the ad for a book, sold for 3.50 francs
        this book was 1920 ca. and it reports the same selling price.

        This is a poor information in dating my planimeter, but it could help

        Andrea

        2011/2/1 Andrea Celli <a.celli@...>
        THANKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!

        My idea of "mount up-down the pole-pin" was not so wrong. But, evidently, i did an error in assembling parts.
        Now it works fine and soon i will post a new photo.
        Is it possible  to copy John's  precious image in planimeter's album?

        Now i have to find a bit of information about Mr. Bernard ;-)

        Andrea

        2011/1/31 collectingken <ken_kjs@...>

         

        Hi Andrea,

        I checked my ~1920 Morin catalog and it didn't list this planimeter, so John's date of around WWII seems reasonable. Glad he could find that catalog image, I don't think I could have figured out how to assemble it properly.

        Ken


        --- In DrawingInstruments@yahoogroups.com, "planimetrica" <planimetrica@...> wrote:
        >
        > Hello Andrea,
        >
        > Thanks for posting your Morin planimeter, never seen this one before. I just received an email message from fellow collector Harrie about this very planimeter. Please see the illustration in my album of this planimeter from a Morin (engineers?) diary. This shows the correct configuration of the various parts.
        > The said diary is undated but most likely from just before or just after WW2, according to fellow collector Harrie. Not much more I can say, picture says it all.
        >
        > John
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > --- In DrawingInstruments@yahoogroups.com, a.celli@ wrote:
        > >
        > > Hello All.
        > > i found this planimeter (see photos in album), but i'm not able to mount and use it :-(
        > >
        > > My idea is that some parts are missed. Likely a connection arm-rule.
        > > Actually, pole is to large and don't fit in the "rail". If i mount up-down the pole-pin, it fits almost well in the rail, but arm is not horizontal.
        > > May be i have to make a small metal bar, fitting in the rail and having a small hole in the center. Haven't i?
        > >
        > > Other suggestions?
        > >
        > > Thanks, andrea
        > >
        >



      • Andrea Celli
        Hi, an eBay action for 1941 Morin Catalog is closing in few hours (# 180615810902) I asked seller, but she says that it dosn t contain any reference to
        Message 3 of 8 , Feb 1, 2011
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          Hi,
             an eBay action for 1941 Morin Catalog is closing in few hours (# 180615810902)

          I asked seller, but she says that it dosn't contain any reference to planimeters "system Bernard"

           ------- forwarded ------
          Bonjour Monsieur,
          ce catalogue comporte 10 pages sur les planimètres avec illustrations.
          Il n'y a pas de planimètres système Bernard.
          Les deux principaus planimètres présentés et représentés sont les planimètres système:

          - AMSLER :(Réf:11952 = planimètre système polaire à une échelle(ilustration)
          Réf: 11953 = réglette de contrôle
          Réf: 11954 = planimètre à deux échelles
          Réf: 11954 = réglette de contrôle
          Indications pour le mode d'emploi, exemples.
          Réf: 11955 = planimètre à cinq échelles (illustration)
          Réf: 11953 = réglette de 0m10 (mode d'emploi)
          Réf: 11956 = grand planimètre identique àu 11955 mais de grande dimension
          Réf: 11957 grand planimètre à deux traçoirs (illustration)
          Réf: 11958 planimètre à disque tournant(illustration)
          Réf: 11959 grand planimètre à déplacement linéaire et disque tournant (illustration)
          Planimètres polaires indicateur de Watt:
          Réf:11960 = même que réf 1955 mais adapté pour les ordonnées moyennes et les diagrammes de Watt (illustration)
          Réf: 11961 = même que 11960 mais à vis auxiliaire

          Second système:
          Planimètres compensateurs, système CORADI:
          - 11962 = une échelle (illustration)
          - 11963 = pour toutes échelles (illustration)
          - 11964 = à dix échelles (illustration)
          - 11965 = planimètre compensateur pour indicateur de Watt (illustration)
          - 11966 = planimètre à grand disque denté (illustration)
          - 11967 = planimètre roulant et à sphère (illustration)
          - 11968 = même que 11967 mais à bras moteur
          - 11969 = même que 11968 mais à plus grand développement
          - 11970 = meme que 11969 mais encore + grand
          Enfin, planimètres spéciaux pour diagrammes continus (une illustration), réf:11972 à 11979.

           ------- forwarded --------

          Andrea

          2011/2/1 Andrea Celli <a.celli@...>
          Hello,

          in Morin catalog we can see the ad for a book, sold for 3.50 francs
          this book was 1920 ca. and it reports the same selling price.

          This is a poor information in dating my planimeter, but it could help

          Andrea

          2011/2/1 Andrea Celli <a.celli@...>

          THANKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!

          My idea of "mount up-down the pole-pin" was not so wrong. But, evidently, i did an error in assembling parts.
          Now it works fine and soon i will post a new photo.
          Is it possible  to copy John's  precious image in planimeter's album?

          Now i have to find a bit of information about Mr. Bernard ;-)

          Andrea

          2011/1/31 collectingken <ken_kjs@...>

           

          Hi Andrea,

          I checked my ~1920 Morin catalog and it didn't list this planimeter, so John's date of around WWII seems reasonable. Glad he could find that catalog image, I don't think I could have figured out how to assemble it properly.

          Ken


          --- In DrawingInstruments@yahoogroups.com, "planimetrica" <planimetrica@...> wrote:
          >
          > Hello Andrea,
          >
          > Thanks for posting your Morin planimeter, never seen this one before. I just received an email message from fellow collector Harrie about this very planimeter. Please see the illustration in my album of this planimeter from a Morin (engineers?) diary. This shows the correct configuration of the various parts.
          > The said diary is undated but most likely from just before or just after WW2, according to fellow collector Harrie. Not much more I can say, picture says it all.
          >
          > John
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > --- In DrawingInstruments@yahoogroups.com, a.celli@ wrote:
          > >
          > > Hello All.
          > > i found this planimeter (see photos in album), but i'm not able to mount and use it :-(
          > >
          > > My idea is that some parts are missed. Likely a connection arm-rule.
          > > Actually, pole is to large and don't fit in the "rail". If i mount up-down the pole-pin, it fits almost well in the rail, but arm is not horizontal.
          > > May be i have to make a small metal bar, fitting in the rail and having a small hole in the center. Haven't i?
          > >
          > > Other suggestions?
          > >
          > > Thanks, andrea
          > >
          >




        • collectingken
          Andrea, I found some excerpts from the Petit Catalogue Général Edition 1925-1926 which shows your planimeter. The address is
          Message 4 of 8 , Feb 2, 2011
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            Andrea,

            I found some excerpts from the Petit Catalogue Général
            Edition 1925-1926 which shows your planimeter. The address is

            http://www.reocities.com/SiliconValley/horizon/1404/morincat.html

            and you can enlarge the image of the page by clicking on it. I would guess that this was the first instance of the planimeter in their catalogs since as mentioned it doesn't appear in their 1920 catalog.

            Ken

            --- In DrawingInstruments@yahoogroups.com, Andrea Celli <a.celli@...> wrote:
            >
            > Hi,
            > an eBay action for 1941 Morin Catalog is closing in few hours (#
            > 180615810902)
            >
            > I asked seller, but she says that it dosn't contain any reference to
            > planimeters "system Bernard"
            >
            > ------- forwarded ------
            > Bonjour Monsieur,
            > ce catalogue comporte 10 pages sur les planimètres avec illustrations.
            > Il n'y a pas de planimètres système Bernard.
            > Les deux principaus planimètres présentés et représentés sont les
            > planimètres système:
            >
            > - AMSLER :(Réf:11952 = planimètre système polaire à une échelle(ilustration)
            > Réf: 11953 = réglette de contrôle
            > Réf: 11954 = planimètre à deux échelles
            > Réf: 11954 = réglette de contrôle
            > Indications pour le mode d'emploi, exemples.
            > Réf: 11955 = planimètre à cinq échelles (illustration)
            > Réf: 11953 = réglette de 0m10 (mode d'emploi)
            > Réf: 11956 = grand planimètre identique àu 11955 mais de grande dimension
            > Réf: 11957 grand planimètre à deux traçoirs (illustration)
            > Réf: 11958 planimètre à disque tournant(illustration)
            > Réf: 11959 grand planimètre à déplacement linéaire et disque tournant
            > (illustration)
            > Planimètres polaires indicateur de Watt:
            > Réf:11960 = même que réf 1955 mais adapté pour les ordonnées moyennes et les
            > diagrammes de Watt (illustration)
            > Réf: 11961 = même que 11960 mais à vis auxiliaire
            >
            > Second système:
            > Planimètres compensateurs, système CORADI:
            > - 11962 = une échelle (illustration)
            > - 11963 = pour toutes échelles (illustration)
            > - 11964 = à dix échelles (illustration)
            > - 11965 = planimètre compensateur pour indicateur de Watt (illustration)
            > - 11966 = planimètre à grand disque denté (illustration)
            > - 11967 = planimètre roulant et à sphère (illustration)
            > - 11968 = même que 11967 mais à bras moteur
            > - 11969 = même que 11968 mais à plus grand développement
            > - 11970 = meme que 11969 mais encore + grand
            > Enfin, planimètres spéciaux pour diagrammes continus (une illustration),
            > réf:11972 à 11979.
            >
            > ------- forwarded --------
            >
            > Andrea
            >
            > 2011/2/1 Andrea Celli <a.celli@...>
            >
            > > Hello,
            > >
            > > in Morin catalog we can see the ad for a book, sold for 3.50 francs
            > > According to
            > > http://www.cbi.umn.edu/hostedpublications/Tomash/Images%20web%20site/Image%20files/D%20Images/index_5.htm,
            > > this book was 1920 ca. and it reports the same selling price.
            > >
            > > This is a poor information in dating my planimeter, but it could help
            > >
            > > Andrea
            > >
            > > 2011/2/1 Andrea Celli <a.celli@...>
            > >
            > > THANKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!
            > >>
            > >> My idea of "mount up-down the pole-pin" was not so wrong. But, evidently,
            > >> i did an error in assembling parts.
            > >> Now it works fine and soon i will post a new photo.
            > >> Is it possible to copy John's precious image in planimeter's album?
            > >>
            > >> Now i have to find a bit of information about Mr. Bernard ;-)
            > >>
            > >> Andrea
            > >>
            > >> 2011/1/31 collectingken <ken_kjs@...>
            > >>
            > >>
            > >>>
            > >>> Hi Andrea,
            > >>>
            > >>> I checked my ~1920 Morin catalog and it didn't list this planimeter, so
            > >>> John's date of around WWII seems reasonable. Glad he could find that catalog
            > >>> image, I don't think I could have figured out how to assemble it properly.
            > >>>
            > >>> Ken
            > >>>
            > >>> --- In DrawingInstruments@yahoogroups.com<DrawingInstruments%40yahoogroups.com>,
            > >>> "planimetrica" <planimetrica@> wrote:
            > >>> >
            > >>> > Hello Andrea,
            > >>> >
            > >>> > Thanks for posting your Morin planimeter, never seen this one before. I
            > >>> just received an email message from fellow collector Harrie about this very
            > >>> planimeter. Please see the illustration in my album of this planimeter from
            > >>> a Morin (engineers?) diary. This shows the correct configuration of the
            > >>> various parts.
            > >>> > The said diary is undated but most likely from just before or just
            > >>> after WW2, according to fellow collector Harrie. Not much more I can say,
            > >>> picture says it all.
            > >>> >
            > >>> > John
            > >>> >
            > >>> >
            > >>> >
            > >>> >
            > >>> >
            > >>> > --- In DrawingInstruments@yahoogroups.com<DrawingInstruments%40yahoogroups.com>,
            > >>> a.celli@ wrote:
            > >>> > >
            > >>> > > Hello All.
            > >>> > > i found this planimeter (see photos in album), but i'm not able to
            > >>> mount and use it :-(
            > >>> > >
            > >>> > > My idea is that some parts are missed. Likely a connection arm-rule.
            > >>> > > Actually, pole is to large and don't fit in the "rail". If i mount
            > >>> up-down the pole-pin, it fits almost well in the rail, but arm is not
            > >>> horizontal.
            > >>> > > May be i have to make a small metal bar, fitting in the rail and
            > >>> having a small hole in the center. Haven't i?
            > >>> > >
            > >>> > > Other suggestions?
            > >>> > >
            > >>> > > Thanks, andrea
            > >>> > >
            > >>> >
            > >>>
            > >>>
            > >>>
            > >>
            > >>
            > >
            >
          • Andrea Celli
            Ken, thank you very much. This allows to estimate when production started. Planimeter was not in 1920-21 catalog, it s listed in 1925-26 catalog. At the other
            Message 5 of 8 , Feb 3, 2011
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              Ken,
                    thank you very much.
              This allows to estimate when production started.
              Planimeter was not in 1920-21 catalog, it's listed in 1925-26 catalog.
              At the other end, it is listed in John catalog, near 40s.

              I suppose that my device is closer to 40s

              Andrea

              2011/2/2 collectingken <ken_kjs@...>
               

              Andrea,

              I found some excerpts from the Petit Catalogue Général
              Edition 1925-1926 which shows your planimeter. The address is

              http://www.reocities.com/SiliconValley/horizon/1404/morincat.html

              and you can enlarge the image of the page by clicking on it. I would guess that this was the first instance of the planimeter in their catalogs since as mentioned it doesn't appear in their 1920 catalog.

              Ken



              --- In DrawingInstruments@yahoogroups.com, Andrea Celli <a.celli@...> wrote:
              >
              > Hi,
              > an eBay action for 1941 Morin Catalog is closing in few hours (#
              > 180615810902)
              >
              > I asked seller, but she says that it dosn't contain any reference to
              > planimeters "system Bernard"
              >
              > ------- forwarded ------
              > Bonjour Monsieur,
              > ce catalogue comporte 10 pages sur les planimètres avec illustrations.
              > Il n'y a pas de planimètres système Bernard.
              > Les deux principaus planimètres présentés et représentés sont les
              > planimètres système:
              >
              > - AMSLER :(Réf:11952 = planimètre système polaire à une échelle(ilustration)
              > Réf: 11953 = réglette de contrôle
              > Réf: 11954 = planimètre à deux échelles
              > Réf: 11954 = réglette de contrôle
              > Indications pour le mode d'emploi, exemples.
              > Réf: 11955 = planimètre à cinq échelles (illustration)
              > Réf: 11953 = réglette de 0m10 (mode d'emploi)
              > Réf: 11956 = grand planimètre identique àu 11955 mais de grande dimension
              > Réf: 11957 grand planimètre à deux traçoirs (illustration)
              > Réf: 11958 planimètre à disque tournant(illustration)
              > Réf: 11959 grand planimètre à déplacement linéaire et disque tournant
              > (illustration)
              > Planimètres polaires indicateur de Watt:
              > Réf:11960 = même que réf 1955 mais adapté pour les ordonnées moyennes et les
              > diagrammes de Watt (illustration)
              > Réf: 11961 = même que 11960 mais à vis auxiliaire
              >
              > Second système:
              > Planimètres compensateurs, système CORADI:
              > - 11962 = une échelle (illustration)
              > - 11963 = pour toutes échelles (illustration)
              > - 11964 = à dix échelles (illustration)
              > - 11965 = planimètre compensateur pour indicateur de Watt (illustration)
              > - 11966 = planimètre à grand disque denté (illustration)
              > - 11967 = planimètre roulant et à sphère (illustration)
              > - 11968 = même que 11967 mais à bras moteur
              > - 11969 = même que 11968 mais à plus grand développement
              > - 11970 = meme que 11969 mais encore + grand
              > Enfin, planimètres spéciaux pour diagrammes continus (une illustration),
              > réf:11972 à 11979.
              >
              > ------- forwarded --------
              >
              > Andrea
              >
              > 2011/2/1 Andrea Celli <a.celli@...>

              >
              > > Hello,
              > >
              > > in Morin catalog we can see the ad for a book, sold for 3.50 francs
              > > According to
              > > http://www.cbi.umn.edu/hostedpublications/Tomash/Images%20web%20site/Image%20files/D%20Images/index_5.htm,
              > > this book was 1920 ca. and it reports the same selling price.
              > >
              > > This is a poor information in dating my planimeter, but it could help
              > >
              > > Andrea
              > >
              > > 2011/2/1 Andrea Celli <a.celli@...>

              > >
              > > THANKS !!!!!!!!!!!!!
              > >>
              > >> My idea of "mount up-down the pole-pin" was not so wrong. But, evidently,
              > >> i did an error in assembling parts.
              > >> Now it works fine and soon i will post a new photo.
              > >> Is it possible to copy John's precious image in planimeter's album?
              > >>
              > >> Now i have to find a bit of information about Mr. Bernard ;-)
              > >>
              > >> Andrea
              > >>
              > >> 2011/1/31 collectingken <ken_kjs@...>

              > >>
              > >>
              > >>>
              > >>> Hi Andrea,
              > >>>
              > >>> I checked my ~1920 Morin catalog and it didn't list this planimeter, so
              > >>> John's date of around WWII seems reasonable. Glad he could find that catalog
              > >>> image, I don't think I could have figured out how to assemble it properly.
              > >>>
              > >>> Ken
              > >>>
              > >>> --- In DrawingInstruments@yahoogroups.com<DrawingInstruments%40yahoogroups.com>,

              > >>> "planimetrica" <planimetrica@> wrote:
              > >>> >
              > >>> > Hello Andrea,
              > >>> >
              > >>> > Thanks for posting your Morin planimeter, never seen this one before. I
              > >>> just received an email message from fellow collector Harrie about this very
              > >>> planimeter. Please see the illustration in my album of this planimeter from
              > >>> a Morin (engineers?) diary. This shows the correct configuration of the
              > >>> various parts.
              > >>> > The said diary is undated but most likely from just before or just
              > >>> after WW2, according to fellow collector Harrie. Not much more I can say,
              > >>> picture says it all.
              > >>> >
              > >>> > John
              > >>> >
              > >>> >
              > >>> >
              > >>> >
              > >>> >
              > >>> > --- In DrawingInstruments@yahoogroups.com<DrawingInstruments%40yahoogroups.com>,

              > >>> a.celli@ wrote:
              > >>> > >
              > >>> > > Hello All.
              > >>> > > i found this planimeter (see photos in album), but i'm not able to
              > >>> mount and use it :-(
              > >>> > >
              > >>> > > My idea is that some parts are missed. Likely a connection arm-rule.
              > >>> > > Actually, pole is to large and don't fit in the "rail". If i mount
              > >>> up-down the pole-pin, it fits almost well in the rail, but arm is not
              > >>> horizontal.
              > >>> > > May be i have to make a small metal bar, fitting in the rail and
              > >>> having a small hole in the center. Haven't i?
              > >>> > >
              > >>> > > Other suggestions?
              > >>> > >
              > >>> > > Thanks, andrea
              > >>> > >
              > >>> >
              > >>>
              > >>>
              > >>>
              > >>
              > >>
              > >
              >


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