Re: Jade SunCrow Goddess NuWa (Noah?) ... Replicas?
Agreed. I would never argue "veneration of a Goddess 'spreading'
from one source all over the globe."
For "the condition of being human" -- and being connected
worldwide for some 500,000 or a million years -- nullifies any
requirement that a Chinese NuWa (Noah?) originated in India,
or Tibet, or Nepal ... for her to be present in all those pre-historic
That is the ubiquity in the forms of the human culture, language,
epic stories and artistry ... gives us a great template for the
study/unearthing of particular and specific forms for each
of the periods and provinces of our whole ancestral pageantry.
Like the familiar figure of the English Holmes -- running out
to the location of a street-light, to seek for evidence of a
night-time robbery. The template of 'the night' is universal
to all our experiences ... and a celestial 'slate' for the writing
of the newly-uncovered his/herstory.
WE are extremely fortunate to have contemporary figures
such as Gou Dashun receiving some moderate coverage
in the worldwide internet media.
I look forward to a year (next?) when we get a hundred times
such discussion -- and ten times the number of figureheads --
and a beginning of significant circulation of the imagery
from neolithic China ... an ancestry for ALL contemporary
humanity no matter what their 'province' or language!
In the light of the Mother Country,
--- Kenneth Blair wrote:
My wife had mentioned the snake bodied woman as part of the original
Chinese creation myth to me before.
I did look at the article earlier. I see you are familiar with the
Niuheliang site excavated by Prof. Gou. I always have difficulty
remembering how to spell it off the top of my head. The man
in charge of those excavations up untill the early 90's is Gou
With the snake tailed figure featuring in Chinese mythology for
so long, and it being known as part of the origin of the world, it is
not unlikely there will be figures of jade, or paintings of such
Your connection between the veneration of Quan Yin in more modern
times as supplanting an earlier goddess worship (as Rome replaced
sun veneration/earlier festivals with Christianity) is not unreasonable,
but is a little flawed (see below).
If the arrival of the buddhism pantheon was not seperated from the Hong
Shan by millenia then the idea would be very sound. Hong Shan is NOT a
period however, it is a culture. There were other cultures in China
contemporary to Hong Shan and this is a specfic geographical area.
Neither is there a real connection between the Hong Shan and the early
Chinese dynasties, and therefore the later Chinese dynasties.
Hong Shan is NOT a period between stone age and bronze age as your
article states. Hong Shan is one of many distinct stone age (more
correctly neolithic) cultures.
Hong shan culture seems to have had no real impact on the Shang and
other early periods which followed them. Shang takes after the LongShan
culture. The Long Shan, and Liangzhu culture influences the Shang in vessel
forms, (early bronze taken from pottery proto-types), scapulmancy &
early characters (oracle bones divination), and jade forms (ritual Bi of
jade, and more rarely the Tsong/Cong jade tubes).
In this way the lack of connection between Hong Shan and the dynasties
is commented on by authors.
Another issue with the link between an early goddess, the myth of
creation, and the other eastern dieties is that there is a period of
ritual ancestor worship which forms an interval between this time and
the period of disunity where buddhism and foreign thought finds favour
in the disrupted China.
For the intervening period there was Shang ritual which had diety 'Shang
Di' and ancestor worship. The Zhou and the Han inherited and assimilated
this ancestor worship but lost the diety. Other concepts of heaven and
the cosmos featured in their rituals and vision of the afterlife.
The Han did have a female diety figure in art, the ''queen mother of the
west'' but I recall she again changed persona over time. She came to be
viewed as beneficial but was not always percieved so. My memory of what
I read on her is hazy however.
Any idea the veneration of a Goddess requires 'spreading' from one
source all over the globe does not follow. Apart from the break in the
Chinese symbolic signifigance of a goddess simple similarities do not
require connections beyond a common human worldwide condition.
The condition of being human.