Re: Common ancient ge dagger-axes
- Hi Gary,
The bent dagger axes/Ge I have come across in person, in museums,
and in texts. I have one which has been re-straightened roughly and
broke (before I bought it) and even has vice clamp marks from the
clumsly attempt. Fractures show it was bent at the Tang/Nie, the
middle and the tip. I have seen this same Zhou style large dagger
axe in a text from a site in China and it had 2 of them and bent in
a clear 'U' shape.
I saw bent dagger axes in Shaanxi too, and was given another
explanation that they were damaged in burial. I believe in the
extreme incidence the weapon is 'killed' before being put into the
tomb....as the pagan Vikings with a similar material afterlife would
bend a weapon from the funeral pyre to make sure it is
symbolically 'killed' and will follow spirits into the
afterlife...much like burning of hell money in modern Chinese
festivals reaches the realm of Yama....or the breaking of
pottery/mutilating items in other cultures religious rituals.
I believe the damage in some cases is intentional...and Tony has
outlined seeing various Ge like this too. He was told another
reason, that the buried warrior had 'died by the sword' i.e violent
death...but I think half of what the Hong Kong suppliers tell us
collectors (or Tony) is only geusswork as well.
Again, personal research counts for more than accepting the words of
others as there are a number of small things that I seem to seldom
get the same answer twice.
Just a thought! I see a tomb object being bent deliberately...but if
it is just the tip like in your piece it is hard to say.
(see museum pics).
The simple spike pole arm Zhun (Dhun) I like better than any inlaid
piece or incast detailed end. It is thoroughly useful! On a long
lance, or a Ji or spear point above the dagger axe it could be used
to place the end in the ground against a cavalry charge....and on
the shorter pole mounted Ge (as some can be man height or less)it
could be a vicious weapon if anyone moved inside the hook of the Ge
or outflanked the warrior.
It has often been noted a good polearm technique can beat a good
sword technique and this just adds another tools to the warriors
arsenal, in a parry and butt end strike that may well pierce leather
armour nicely. Neat.
PS;Pls note I am not dyslexic and the earlier awful spelling is as a
result of my longer proof-read message disapearing into the
void...and then I just lazily posted a hasty earlier draft that now
I realise was a bit of a dogs dinner.
PPS; If you are selling any of the representive pieces without
jewell encrustments and inlays then feel free to send me a picture
or let me now of listings etc. If the time is right I might just
splash out on a piece or two!:)
--- In DragonSeedLegacy@yahoogroups.com, "Gary L. Todd"
> Photos #26-31 in the Ancient Chinese Weapons folder show 35 fairlythe
> common ge dagger-axes, all dating to the Zhou Dynasty, nearly all
> Dongzhou, and the majority of them from the Warring States era at
> last half of the Dongzhou (i.e., about 475-221 B.C.). Most aresee
> without provenance, purchased on eBay. I include them so you can
> the variety of sizes and shapes. Museums usually have the nicerones
> on display, so what you see here is the weapon carried by thecommon
> soldier. I suspect that each of the warring states had its ownis
> foundries with its own style, which accounts for the wide variety.
> One of the ges has a blunt end. This is not broken, but rather it
> bent over 90 degrees, which leads me to believe that the tip wasslammed
> damaged in combat. Either that, or some soldier got mad and
> his ge into a brick wall.richly
> Photo #32 is of four zhun, or pole-arm feet. Two of them are
> inlaid with silver and precious stones, although the corrosion hasnot
> partly covered up much of the detail, and my poor photography has
> helped. Jieming has done a great job of improving my photos andfuture,
> posting them to the site. I have more pictures coming in the
> but with my wife feeling under the weather, I will have to put offpieces
> finishing this. Note to Kenneth: Rich Nable has some beautiful
> in his collection, and does much better photography than I do.I'll
> try to get photos of some of his pieces before I leave for Chinain
> Gary Todd