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  • johnsouttar@blueyonder.co.uk
    Possibly the major influence on Dee, Cecil and Talbot is Robin Ddu. Not so much because he is a famous magician, more because perhaps he was not. I hope this
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      Possibly the major influence on Dee, Cecil and Talbot is Robin Ddu. Not
      so much because he is a famous magician, more because perhaps he was not.
      I hope this is of interest. Regarding the Well at the end - that is a

      ROBIN DDU (fl. c. 1450), poet, also referred to as ‘Robin Ddu ap Siencyn
      Bledrydd of Anglesey .’ About ninety of his compositions are preserved in
      manuscript, many of them being vaticinatory. In one of these he converses
      with his book of prophecies, a type of vaticination also attributed to
      Meredudd ap Rhys (q.v.) and Llywelyn ap Cynfrig Ddu (q.v.). He was an
      adherent of the Tudors during the Wars of the Roses, and wrote an elegy on
      the death of Owain Tudor (q.v.).

      The character Robin Ddu appears in a number of Welsh tales from printed
      and oral sources. See, for example, Isaac Foulkes, Cymru Fu, Wrecsam,
      1862, pp. 236-44, and the following narratives in Lewis T Evans'
      repertoire: nos. 2, 3, 4 and 5. Robin Ddu is usually referred to as Robin
      Ddu Ddewin ('Black Robin, the magician'), and is endowed with the gift of
      prophecy and the ability to discover lost treasure. He is identified with
      Robin Ddu ap Siencyn Bledrydd o Fôn, fl. c. 1450, the author of a number
      of prophetic poems (cywyddau brud). See also, Emyr Wyn Jones, 'Robin Ddu's
      Prophecy and "Our Lady's Lap"', Flintshire Historical Society Journal,
      vol. 29, 1979-80, pp. 19-50. Some of the tales featuring Robin Ddu are
      associated with the much later poet and traveller from Caernarfon, Robert
      Parry, 'Robin Ddu Eryri' (1804-92). Robert Parry in his autobiography,
      however, refers to Robin Ddu, the poet and magician, as 'Robin yr Addig
      [Robin Ddu Hiraddu

      Church - St Mary's: The Church Cross is said to date from the 15th
      century. Its broken shaft stands three feet two inches above the octagonal
      base. (John: IE identical to the Templar pillar at Templeton)

      Robin Ddu, born about 1430 and died about 1480, a poet and a prophet. He
      visited Ysceifiog many times, forecast global warming and said a time
      would come when mankind would not know the difference between the seasons.
      Guy Fawkes, born 1570 and died in 1606. There is an unproven tradition
      that he came through Ysceifiog on his way to Holywell on a pilgrimage to
      St Winefride's Well shortly before he took part in the Gunpowder Plot.

      There is a cave on the Pant Gwyn stream near Ffynnon Fair where it is said
      that King Arthur sleeps, awaiting the call of the Welsh nation.

      Ysceifiog was noted for its white witches

      Basingwerk Abbey (Template:Lang-cy) is the ruin of an abbey near Holywell,
      Flintshire, Wales, in the care of Cadw (Welsh Heritage).

      It was founded in 1132 by Ranulph de Gernon, 2nd Earl of Chester, and
      monks from Savigny Abbey settled there. In 1147, the abbey became part of
      the Cistercian Order and therefore a daughter house of Buildwas Abbey in
      Shropshire. In 1157, the abbey was given the manor of Glossop by King
      Henry II. The hilltop Monks' Road in Glossop is a reminder of the monks'
      efforts to administer their possession. Earlier on, they had received the
      manor of West Kirby from the Earls of Chester. In the 13th century, the
      abbey was under the patronage of Llywelyn the Great, Prince of Gwynedd,
      and his son Dafydd ap Llywelyn gave St Winefride's Well to the abbey. The
      monks harnessed the power of the Holywell stream to run a corn mill and to
      treat the wool from their sheep. In 1536, abbey life came to an end with
      the Dissolution of the Monasteries.

      Two centuries earlier a Welsh seer, Robin Ddu ("Robin the Dark") said the
      roof on the refectory would do very nicely on a little church under Moel
      Famau. It did. When the abbey was sold, the roof went to Cilcain church
      and the amazing Jesse window went to the church at


      St. Winifred was a local Welsh saint of little importance until her relics
      were translated, in 1136, to a magnificent shrine in Shrewsbury Abbey; and
      her popular Life was written by Prior Robert of Shrewsbury only two years
      later. Her original tomb was retained at Gwytherin and St. Winifred's
      Well, still to be seen in the old town of Holywell in Flintshire, became -
      and remains - one of the most visited shrines in the whole of Wales. It is
      fed by a stream of singular brightness,...Beuno informed the assembled
      Christians that Winifred had vowed to die a martyr to her virginity and
      Christianity. Then he took up her head from the ground and set it back in
      its rightful place. From where it had fallen, there instantly sprang up a
      well of pure clear water. At the same time, he commanded the congregation
      to pray that Winifred might be restored to life and fulfil her vow; and,
      when they arose from praying, she arose with them. For the rest of her
      life she had a red mark round her throat where it had been sliced through.

      By Beuno's advice, Winifred remained at that church, gathering around her
      eleven virgins of honest and holy conversation and instructing them in the
      Christian religion. Beuno himself travelled west, first to Ireland; but
      Winifred and her maidens worked him a chasuble or some pretty piece of
      needlework every year. They put it into their well and the stream always
      carried it safely to him.


      I tend to wonder if Guy Fawkes was a self sacrifice. The Plot was used by
      Cecil to retain a huge amount of power as King James was petrified. Or at
      least until the next plot. Today's suicide bombers also consider
      themselves martyrs

      Beheading puts one on a par with John the Baptist. Hanging with Judas. Or
      so the medieval community believed. Whether being drawn and quartered
      represented the agony of crucifixion is hard to say. It is a curious thing
      to do to someone. Burning is considered by some sages to bring release.

      more ddu:
      These mines are situated to the west of Parys Mountain and are well known
      ... as a sett of great importance, and estimate them to be of no less
      value that the celebrated Parys mine which has realised millions to it's
      noble proprietors. The Gaddair as well as the Parys mine, was the subject
      of a singular prophecy, well known in the Principality, of the celebrated
      seer Robin Ddu ,who lived towards the close of the sixteenth centaury and
      was remarkable for his dark sayings. His prediction as respects the Parys
      mine has been wonderfully fulfilled, the produce being so great, that the
      quantity actually influenced the market price of copper throughout Europe
      for a long period.

      Black Robin

      THERE was once an old man in North Wales called Robin Ddu, or Black Robin.
      He pretended to be a wizard, and though he had no magical power, he was so
      cunning that he made people believe he had, and his fame spread over the
      whole of Wales.

      A lady in the Vale of Towy lost three precious gems. They had been given
      to her by a dead sister, and she valued them all the more on that account.
      Every search was made for them, but they could not be found. The lady had
      not heard of the Well of Llanbedrog--(by means of that it is quite easy to
      discover who has stolen your property. All you have to do is to kneel by
      it, and after throwing in a bit of bread name all whom you suspect. When
      the thief's name is mentioned the bread sinks)--but she had heard of Black
      Robin, and at last she decided to send for him. She despatched a servant
      to North Wales to offer him fifty pounds if he would restore her lost
      diamonds to her, and Robin travelled south with the messenger. When he
      arrived he said he would not begin his work unless fifty pounds were given
      to him beforehand. "Fifty pounds is a lot of money," said the lady. "I
      should like to test your power before giving it you."

      etc etc

      Robin Ddu prophesied he would be buried neither inside nor outside a
      church and is said to be buried in a church wall.

      John Dee died 4 years after the Gunpowder Plot and his connection with it
      needs some investigation. In 1605 (The plot was discovered on November 4
      1605) Dee's wife and 'several of his children' died in Manchester plague
      and he returned to London. Was he perhaps aggrieved?

      I will return to this.

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