- Greetings-- for any of you who are interested, I've been going

through a couple of databases trying to pull out articles on John Dee

and Euclid (since Dee wrote the preface to the first English

translation of Euclid's elements, in 1570-- a fascimile of the title

page is on-line at

http://www.envf.port.ac.uk/illustration/z/per/cmullen/035.HTM)

If anyone is interested in any of these, I can post them in .pdf form

to the files section.

Commandino, John Dee, and the De superficierum Divisionibus of

Machometus Bagdedinus (in Notes & Correspondence)

Paul Lawrence Rose

Isis, Vol. 63, No. 1. (Mar., 1972), pp. 88-93.

The First Translation of Euclid's Elements into English and its

Source

R. C. Archibald

The American Mathematical Monthly, Vol. 57, No. 7. (Aug. - Sep.,

1950), pp. 443-452.

The Distinctive Features of Seventeenth Century Geometry

F. W. Kokomoor

Isis, Vol. 10, No. 2. (Jun., 1928), pp. 367-415.

Astrology in Shakespeare's Day

Carroll Camden, Jr.

Isis, Vol. 19, No. 1. (Apr., 1933), pp. 26-73.

The Early Editions of Robert Recorde's Ground of Artes

Joy B. Easton

Isis, Vol. 58, No. 4. (Winter, 1967), pp. 515-532.

The Scientific Literature Transmitted through the Incunabula

George Sarton

Osiris, Vol. 5. (1938), pp. 41-123+125-245.

NOTE: This article contains high-quality images.

The Scientific Spirit in England in Early Modern Times (c. 1600)

Raymond Phineas Stearns

Isis, Vol. 34, No. 4. (Spring, 1943), pp. 293-300.

Witelo and Thirteenth-Century Mathematics: An Assessment of His

Contributions

Sabetai Unguru

Isis, Vol. 63, No. 4. (Dec., 1972), pp. 496-508.

Note on the First English Euclid

George Bruce Halsted

American Journal of Mathematics, Vol. 2, No. 1. (Mar., 1879), pp. 46-

48.

The First English Euclid

Walter F. Shenton

The American Mathematical Monthly, Vol. 35, No. 10. (Dec., 1928), pp.

505-512.

NOTE: This article contains high-quality images.

"Good Fences Make Good Neighbors": Geography as Self-Definition in

Early Modern England

Lesley B. Cormack

Isis, Vol. 82, No. 4. (Dec., 1991), pp. 639-661.

The Teaching of Elementary Geometry in the Seventeenth Century

L. C. Karpinski; F. W. Kokomoor

Isis, Vol. 10, No. 1. (Mar., 1928), pp. 21-32.

Uncovering the Arundel Library at the Royal Society: Changing

Meanings of Science and the Fate of the Norfolk Donation

Linda Levy Peck

Notes and Records of the Royal Society of London, Vol. 52, No. 1.

(Jan., 1998), pp. 3-24.

NOTE: This article contains high-quality images.

Technology and Alchemical Debate in the Late Middle Ages

William Newman

Isis, Vol. 80, No. 3. (Sep., 1989), pp. 423-445.

The Devil in Restoration Science: The Glanvill-Webster Witchcraft

Debate

Thomas Harmon Jobe

Isis, Vol. 72, No. 3. (Sep., 1981), pp. 342-356.

The Numerological Approach to Cosmic Order during the English

Renaissance

C. A. Patrides

Isis, Vol. 49, No. 4. (Dec., 1958), pp. 391-397.

Terrestrial Magnetism: For the Glory of God and the Benefit of

Mankind (in Instruments & Audience)

Deborah Warner

Osiris, 2nd Series, Vol. 9, Instruments. (1994), pp. 66-84.

The Libraries of Newton, Hooke and Boyle

H. A. Feisenberger

Notes and Records of the Royal Society of London, Vol. 21, No. 1.

(Jun., 1966), pp. 42-55.

Maestlin's Teaching of Copernicus: The Evidence of His University

Textbook and Disputations

Charlotte Methuen

Isis, Vol. 87, No. 2. (Jun., 1996), pp. 230-247.

Surfaces with Orthogonal Families of Circles

Thomas Ivey

Proceedings of the American Mathematical Society, Vol. 123, No. 3.

(Mar., 1995), pp. 865-872.

A Conversation with Don Knuth: Part 2 (in Computers and Calculators)

Donald J. Albers; Lynn Arthur Steen; Don Knuth

The Two-Year College Mathematics Journal, Vol. 13, No. 2. (Mar.,

1982), pp. 128-141.

An Index of Proper Names in Thomas Birch, 'The History of the Royal

Society' (London, 1756-1757)

Gail Ewald Scala

Notes and Records of the Royal Society of London, Vol. 28, No. 2.

(Apr., 1974), pp. 263-329.

J. Clerk Maxwell on the History of the Kinetic Theory of Gases, 1871

Henry T. Bernstein

Isis, Vol. 54, No. 2. (Jun., 1963), pp. 206-216.

The First Explanation of Decimal Fractions and Measures (1585).

Together with a History of the Decimal Idea and a Facsimile (No.

XVII) of Stevin's Disme

George Sarton

Isis, Vol. 23, No. 1. (Jun., 1935), pp. 153-244.

NOTE: This article contains high-quality images.

On Kellogg's Diophantine Problem

D. R. Curtiss

The American Mathematical Monthly, Vol. 29, No. 10. (Nov. - Dec.,

1922), pp. 380-387.

The History of Zeno's Arguments on Motion: Phases in the Development

of the Theory of Limits

Florian Cajori

The American Mathematical Monthly, Vol. 22, No. 3. (Mar., 1915), pp.

77-82. - Thanks, Gunnar!

I'm certain Dee did make the equation between the structural

precision of Euclidean geometry, perhaps taken from some survival of

Pythagorean mystery schools, and the structural precision and hidden

meanings he wanted to convey, and that he was part of a group that

used the same system.

My question is whether he--or Shakespeare--would have had access to

the cipher key you are talking about, and if they did, where they

would have learned it. Are you positing a mystery school tradition

that survived in Iceland, and perhaps a few other places like

(perhaps) Ireland and the south of France, which was largely wiped

out elsewhere?

Terri

--- In

AlchemistRoyalAdvisorDrJohnDee@yahoogroups.com, "Gunnar_Tomasson"

<gunnar.tomasson@v...> wrote:>

Burns"

> --- In AlchemistRoyalAdvisorDrJohnDee@yahoogroups.com, "Terri

> <burnst@u...> wrote:

John Dee

> >

> > Greetings-- for any of you who are interested, I've been going

> > through a couple of databases trying to pull out articles on

> > and Euclid (since Dee wrote the preface to the first English

title

> > translation of Euclid's elements, in 1570-- a fascimile of the

> > page is on-line at

11931 -

> > http://www.envf.port.ac.uk/illustration/z/per/cmullen/035.HTM)

>

> Terri - we may have struck pay-dirt!

>

> The Cipher Value of John Dee's title - The Elements of geometrie of

> the most auncient philosopher Evclide of Megara, 32975, strongly

> suggests that Dee equated the precision of Euclidean Geometry with

> that of 'Hidden Poetry' in the Augustan-Saga-Shakespeare tradition.

>

> How so?

>

> The title's Cipher Value is mirrored in the Cipher Sum 11359 +

> 1000 + 10685 = 32975, where (a) 11359 = Snorri Sturluson, (b)

11931 =

> The Cipher Key [= the sum of its constituent components, 73 + 116 +

683

> 225 + 228 + 285 + 325 + 376 + 425 + 449 + 504 + 542 + 569 + 660 +

> + 770 + 821 + 896 + 923 + 949 + 1018 + 1094 = 11931], (c) - 1000 =

Archetypal

> Darkness, and (d) 10685 = Mr. William Shakespeare.

>

> In 'other words', this would equate Snorri Sturluson with

> MAN-Beast of Seventh Day ALIAS Creation in Time and Space or The

innate in

> World, whose essence the ancients held to be NUMEROLOGICAL.

>

> While MAN-Beast comes into being in Darkness, the numerology

> The World causes his 'selfe' to 'vnfold' until, at the End of

Time, it

> is revealed to be 'Mr. William Shakespeare'.

>

> Gunnar