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5279Re: Painting of Ed Kelly turns up at auction

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  • solsticewooddragon
    Aug 26, 2013
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      Please do. I'd love to see what this will says.

      LVX,

      Terry

      --- In DrJohnDee@yahoogroups.com, souttar john <johnsouttar@...> wrote:
      >
      > as more stuff is put on the net day by day this is from the Public Record
      > Office and is the will of Barnaby Sawle gentleman of Sherborne dated
      > 13/1/1613. I will get a copy and reveal all
      >
      > http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/details?Uri=D904478
      >
      > john
      >
      >
      > On 26 August 2013 11:01, souttar john <johnsouttar@...> wrote:
      >
      > > Although one can find little about Adrian Gilbert at first glance on the
      > > net (no Wikipedia article on the man who lived into his late 80's and was
      > > an alchemist, owner of a silver mine in Devon and Mary Sidney's lab
      > > assistant), he is considered by some to be the role model for Shakespeare's
      > > Falstaff - a corpulent man with a temper and called by Aubrey the greatest
      > > buffoon in the land. Raleigh's ship was named Adrian for his step-brother
      > > and Adrian had a relationship with Dee, greeting him on his return to
      > > England and offering support. I found this by chance today although I had
      > > been told confidentially some time ago about Barnabus Saul ending up in
      > > Sherborne with Adrian.
      > >
      > > ' According to Meare's Star Chamber bill, Ralegh "without any cause at all
      > > "conceived great displeasure against him and went about to take from him a
      > > house in Sherborne, his office of bailiff and certain copyhold lands. To
      > > achieve this he acquainted Adrian Gilbert "esquire", Burnaby Sawle, and two
      > > of Ralegh's followers, William Floyer and John Shelbury, who conspired
      > > together to get at the said items and to take them from him, `Partly under
      > > pretence of a bargain and partly by the means and coursesÂ… wherby [Meare]
      > > might well be made weary of holdinge the same', Ralegh and Gilbert and
      > > others then instituted a suit in Chancery over the copy-hold lands '
      > >
      > > It suggests that there is more to Barnabus than meets the eye, certainly
      > > he cannot be considered a common man. Gilbert like Raleigh was a Devon man
      > > and in Devon was this other Sawle - Arthur Sawle who like Edward Talbot and
      > > Simon Forman attended Magdalen College in Oxford and had a special
      > > relationship with the German princes. I cannot copy the article but it can
      > > be found here:
      > >
      > > http://www.sole.org.uk/asawle.htm
      > >
      > > john
      > >
      > >
      > > On 26 August 2013 04:22, solsticewooddragon <tmichelle57@...> wrote:
      > >
      > >> **
      > >>
      > >>
      > >> Maybe. I'm just wondering how/who did the identification, and decided it
      > >> was Kelly. I'm not necessary doubting that it's Kelly--for a variety of
      > >> reasons I'd love for this to be a picture of Kelly (especially since it
      > >> turned up in Warwickshire), but I'd like to know how anyone knows, and
      > >> wonder if the auction house had any information about previous Warwickshire
      > >> owners. All I can find when I search is this information from Nick
      > >> Farrell's blog (though Nick is a pretty reputable source.) That's why I'm
      > >> asking if anyone else has any information.
      > >>
      > >> LVX,
      > >>
      > >> Terry
      > >>
      > >>
      > >> --- In DrJohnDee@yahoogroups.com, Me <marsyas555@> wrote:
      > >> >
      > >> > It seems to be more of a painting of dee than Kelly
      > >> >
      > >> > Sent from my iPhone
      > >> >
      > >> > On Aug 25, 2013, at 11:00 PM, "solsticewooddragon" <tmichelle57@>
      > >> wrote:
      > >> >
      > >> > > http://networkedblogs.com/OqDi5
      > >> > >
      > >> > > "It appears that the painting was made for a person who was working
      > >> with Dee and Kelly's system. It was painted on the inside of a cupboard or
      > >> meditation room. In the background there appears to be an image of someone
      > >> summoning something while standing in a magic circle. In otherwords this is
      > >> not about the alchemist Edward Kelly, but the magician."
      > >> > >
      > >> > > Does anyone have any further information beyond what it says on
      > >> Nick's blog?
      > >> > >
      > >> > > Thanks!
      > >> > >
      > >> > > LVX,
      > >> > >
      > >> > > Terry
      > >> > >
      > >> > >
      > >> >
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