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Re: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Can the A-100 and Ableton Live play nice?

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  • Jim Credland
    Some midi interfaces are worse than others for timing. Os has sample accurate solution - rocks. Sent from my fone
    Message 1 of 20 , Nov 29, 2012
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      Some midi interfaces are worse than others for timing. Os has sample accurate solution - rocks.

      Sent from my fone

      On 29 Nov 2012, at 11:32, Os <os@...> wrote:

      > Better yet, ditch MIDI altogether.
      >
      > e.g.
      >
      > http://expert-sleepers.co.uk/silentway.html
      > http://expert-sleepers.co.uk/hardware.html
      > http://www.innerclocksystems.com/New%20ICS%20Lab%20Series.html
      >
      >
      > cheers,
      > os.
      >
      >
      > On 29 November 2012 11:19, Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@...> wrote:
      >>
      >>
      >> hi Ilja,
      >>
      >> the midi clock is not very accurate when syncing the A100 with the Ableton
      >> Live.
      >> it helps if you have to use the reset out of the A190, patched to the reset
      >> input of the A154+a155 too.
      >>
      >> but, again, sometimes the A100 seems synced to midi and sometimes not.
      >>
      >> (its a problem of the midi clock, not of the A190)
      >>
      >> the best syncing you can get via two cv/gate to midi channels. ( i use the
      >> MCV24 for this) :
      >>
      >> you create a pattern of 16th notes in a channel of Live and the note gate
      >> out from that midi channel, you send it to the clock input of your modular
      >> sequencer (A155 for example).
      >> then you create a pattern with one note at its very beginning, in another
      >> midi channel and you send the note gate from that channel to the reset input
      >> of your sequencer. (you can arrange the 'clocking' notes and the 'resetting'
      >> note just as you like!) rock solid timing and plenty of crazy clocking and
      >> resetting possibilities too. works fine all the time.
      >>
      >> (Ingo Zobel gave me that simple and great tip, many years ago...)
      >>
      >> thanks,
      >> Bakis.
      >>
      >> ________________________________
      >> From: prikolov <prikolov@...>
      >> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
      >> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 4:09 AM
      >> Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Can the A-100 and Ableton Live play nice?
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >>
      >> Hi there
      >>
      >> since you got the topic, maybe you'd know the answer to my problem
      >> i use live 8 with a100 through a190 and i actually don't get how the clock
      >> of a190 work. it runs wild and out of sync (tryed to divide it with a160 -
      >> still out of sync). i do send my sync messages from live. want that clock,
      >> so i could run sequenser using live's timing.
      >> am i being too silly and not understanding something obvious?
      >>
      >> Ilja
      >>
      >> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "junglephone" <junglephone@...> wrote:
      >>>
      >>> Florian, thanks.
      >>>
      >>> I'm running Live 7 and the A100 is alone on its port.
      >>>
      >>> I started using Live's external instrument plug-in (with the arp going
      >>> into it) to trigger the
      >>> A100 and I have noticed some improvement but not a total fix. Fortunately
      >>> I can fix the
      >>> timing of the audio file in Live later. If anyone else has any ideas,
      >>> please keep them
      >>> coming. I'd like to solve this issue once and for all. The only rhythm
      >>> glitches I want are
      >>> ones I intend, ya dig? :-)
      >>>
      >>> Thanks everyone.
      >>>
      >>> Adam G
      >>>
      >>>
      >>> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Florian Anwander <Florian.Anwander@>
      >>> wrote:
      >>>>
      >>>> Hi Adam
      >>>>
      >>>>> I'm trying to find a way to filter MIDI data in Live but so far,
      >>>>> nothing.
      >>>> No ther is no (but the Sync setting in the preferences)
      >>>>
      >>>>> I created a template in the Novation with no Aftertouch hoping that
      >>>>> would help but it
      >>>>> didn't.
      >>>>>
      >>>>> I'm starting to think a more robust MIDI to CV might be in order?
      >>>>> (Sorry Dieter ;-))
      >>>> I don't think it is the interface. It is MIDI (internal softsynths are
      >>>> controlled by very faster APIs). Try to connect only the a190 to this
      >>>> MIDI-port (not channel! Port!). And then check your arpeggio.
      >>>>
      >>>> It is also well known, that the MIDI timing of ableton is not the best
      >>>> until Version 6.x. Its told that the new Version7 is much better in MIDI
      >>>> timing than the older ones.
      >>>>
      >>>>
      >>>> Florian
      >>>>
      >>>
      >>
      >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      >>
      >>
      >
      >
      >
      > --
      > os@...
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      > http://www.darkroomtheband.net/
      > http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/
      >
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    • prikolov
      Thank you everybody you ve been mighty resourceful helped alot Ilja
      Message 2 of 20 , Dec 1, 2012
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        Thank you everybody
        you've been mighty resourceful
        helped alot

        Ilja


        --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Jim Credland <jim@...> wrote:
        >
        > Some midi interfaces are worse than others for timing. Os has sample accurate solution - rocks.
        >
        > Sent from my fone
        >
        > On 29 Nov 2012, at 11:32, Os <os@...> wrote:
        >
        > > Better yet, ditch MIDI altogether.
        > >
        > > e.g.
        > >
        > > http://expert-sleepers.co.uk/silentway.html
        > > http://expert-sleepers.co.uk/hardware.html
        > > http://www.innerclocksystems.com/New%20ICS%20Lab%20Series.html
        > >
        > >
        > > cheers,
        > > os.
        > >
        > >
        > > On 29 November 2012 11:19, Bakis Sirros <synth_freak_2000@...> wrote:
        > >>
        > >>
        > >> hi Ilja,
        > >>
        > >> the midi clock is not very accurate when syncing the A100 with the Ableton
        > >> Live.
        > >> it helps if you have to use the reset out of the A190, patched to the reset
        > >> input of the A154+a155 too.
        > >>
        > >> but, again, sometimes the A100 seems synced to midi and sometimes not.
        > >>
        > >> (its a problem of the midi clock, not of the A190)
        > >>
        > >> the best syncing you can get via two cv/gate to midi channels. ( i use the
        > >> MCV24 for this) :
        > >>
        > >> you create a pattern of 16th notes in a channel of Live and the note gate
        > >> out from that midi channel, you send it to the clock input of your modular
        > >> sequencer (A155 for example).
        > >> then you create a pattern with one note at its very beginning, in another
        > >> midi channel and you send the note gate from that channel to the reset input
        > >> of your sequencer. (you can arrange the 'clocking' notes and the 'resetting'
        > >> note just as you like!) rock solid timing and plenty of crazy clocking and
        > >> resetting possibilities too. works fine all the time.
        > >>
        > >> (Ingo Zobel gave me that simple and great tip, many years ago...)
        > >>
        > >> thanks,
        > >> Bakis.
        > >>
        > >> ________________________________
        > >> From: prikolov <prikolov@...>
        > >> To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
        > >> Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2012 4:09 AM
        > >> Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Can the A-100 and Ableton Live play nice?
        > >>
        > >>
        > >>
        > >>
        > >>
        > >> Hi there
        > >>
        > >> since you got the topic, maybe you'd know the answer to my problem
        > >> i use live 8 with a100 through a190 and i actually don't get how the clock
        > >> of a190 work. it runs wild and out of sync (tryed to divide it with a160 -
        > >> still out of sync). i do send my sync messages from live. want that clock,
        > >> so i could run sequenser using live's timing.
        > >> am i being too silly and not understanding something obvious?
        > >>
        > >> Ilja
        > >>
        > >> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, "junglephone" <junglephone@> wrote:
        > >>>
        > >>> Florian, thanks.
        > >>>
        > >>> I'm running Live 7 and the A100 is alone on its port.
        > >>>
        > >>> I started using Live's external instrument plug-in (with the arp going
        > >>> into it) to trigger the
        > >>> A100 and I have noticed some improvement but not a total fix. Fortunately
        > >>> I can fix the
        > >>> timing of the audio file in Live later. If anyone else has any ideas,
        > >>> please keep them
        > >>> coming. I'd like to solve this issue once and for all. The only rhythm
        > >>> glitches I want are
        > >>> ones I intend, ya dig? :-)
        > >>>
        > >>> Thanks everyone.
        > >>>
        > >>> Adam G
        > >>>
        > >>>
        > >>> --- In Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com, Florian Anwander <Florian.Anwander@>
        > >>> wrote:
        > >>>>
        > >>>> Hi Adam
        > >>>>
        > >>>>> I'm trying to find a way to filter MIDI data in Live but so far,
        > >>>>> nothing.
        > >>>> No ther is no (but the Sync setting in the preferences)
        > >>>>
        > >>>>> I created a template in the Novation with no Aftertouch hoping that
        > >>>>> would help but it
        > >>>>> didn't.
        > >>>>>
        > >>>>> I'm starting to think a more robust MIDI to CV might be in order?
        > >>>>> (Sorry Dieter ;-))
        > >>>> I don't think it is the interface. It is MIDI (internal softsynths are
        > >>>> controlled by very faster APIs). Try to connect only the a190 to this
        > >>>> MIDI-port (not channel! Port!). And then check your arpeggio.
        > >>>>
        > >>>> It is also well known, that the MIDI timing of ableton is not the best
        > >>>> until Version 6.x. Its told that the new Version7 is much better in MIDI
        > >>>> timing than the older ones.
        > >>>>
        > >>>>
        > >>>> Florian
        > >>>>
        > >>>
        > >>
        > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
        > >>
        > >>
        > >
        > >
        > >
        > > --
        > > os@...
        > > http://twitter.com/expertsleepers
        > > http://www.darkroomtheband.net/
        > > http://www.expert-sleepers.co.uk/
        > >
        > >
        > > ------------------------------------
        > >
        > > Yahoo! Groups Links
        > >
        > >
        > >
        >
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