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  • code_pig
    While doing a bit of emailing to Peter Grenader, he mentioned a new Synthesizer.com module that is a filter bank utility module. Basically, it sits next to
    Message 1 of 29 , Jul 10, 2002
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      While doing a bit of emailing to Peter Grenader, he mentioned a new
      Synthesizer.com module that is a filter bank utility module.
      Basically, it sits next to their fixed filter bank, and gives
      unattenuated outputs for each frequency.

      Would this make a good Doepfer module? I think so. I know this is a
      dumb question, but does anyone have an opinion?

      Let the debate begin.
    • studio1dk
      Check out: http://www.modular-planet.de/_tipps/a128-einzelausg.html on the modular planet. It´s how you solder individual outs for the a- 128, the down side
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        Check out: http://www.modular-planet.de/_tipps/a128-einzelausg.html
        on the modular planet. It´s how you solder individual outs for the a-
        128, the down side is that it´s in german.

        Keld



        --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "code_pig" <code_pig@y...> wrote:
        > While doing a bit of emailing to Peter Grenader, he mentioned a
        new
        > Synthesizer.com module that is a filter bank utility module.
        > Basically, it sits next to their fixed filter bank, and gives
        > unattenuated outputs for each frequency.
        >
        > Would this make a good Doepfer module? I think so. I know this is
        a
        > dumb question, but does anyone have an opinion?
        >
        > Let the debate begin.
      • unknown freak
        You could get this with the basic vocoder modules, as long as you drove the band CV inputs with voltages. Any tunable DC would do -- A-129/3s or A-176s, for
        Message 3 of 29 , Jul 11, 2002
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          You could get this with the basic vocoder modules, as long as you drove
          the band CV inputs with voltages. Any tunable DC would do -- A-129/3s
          or A-176s, for example.

          studio1dk wrote:
          >
          > Check out: http://www.modular-planet.de/_tipps/a128-einzelausg.html
          > on the modular planet. It´s how you solder individual outs for the a-
          > 128, the down side is that it´s in german.
          >
          > Keld
          >
          > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "code_pig" <code_pig@y...> wrote:
          > > While doing a bit of emailing to Peter Grenader, he mentioned a
          > new
          > > Synthesizer.com module that is a filter bank utility module.
          > > Basically, it sits next to their fixed filter bank, and gives
          > > unattenuated outputs for each frequency.
          > >
          > > Would this make a good Doepfer module? I think so. I know this is
          > a
          > > dumb question, but does anyone have an opinion?
          > >
          > > Let the debate begin.
          >
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        • code_pig
          Agreed, but that would require 15 voltages. I think it would be easier to get the outputs from an A128. Regards, Kevin ... drove ... 129/3s ...
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            Agreed, but that would require 15 voltages. I think it would be
            easier to get the outputs from an A128.

            Regards,
            Kevin

            --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., unknown freak <ospengler@r...> wrote:
            > You could get this with the basic vocoder modules, as long as you
            drove
            > the band CV inputs with voltages. Any tunable DC would do -- A-
            129/3s
            > or A-176s, for example.
            >
            > studio1dk wrote:
            > >
            > > Check out: http://www.modular-planet.de/_tipps/a128-
            einzelausg.html
            > > on the modular planet. It´s how you solder individual outs for
            the a-
            > > 128, the down side is that it´s in german.
            > >
            > > Keld
            > >
            > > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "code_pig" <code_pig@y...> wrote:
            > > > While doing a bit of emailing to Peter Grenader, he mentioned a
            > > new
            > > > Synthesizer.com module that is a filter bank utility module.
            > > > Basically, it sits next to their fixed filter bank, and gives
            > > > unattenuated outputs for each frequency.
            > > >
            > > > Would this make a good Doepfer module? I think so. I know
            this is
            > > a
            > > > dumb question, but does anyone have an opinion?
            > > >
            > > > Let the debate begin.
            > >
            > >
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          • unknown freak
            Yes. Precisely why some people get 3 A-129/3s for their vocoders. I m thinking of adding an A128 to my rig, but if I were concerned about individual outs, I
            Message 5 of 29 , Jul 11, 2002
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              Yes.

              Precisely why some people get 3 A-129/3s for their vocoders.

              I'm thinking of adding an A128 to my rig, but if I were concerned about
              individual outs, I might just get two more A-129/3s.

              code_pig wrote:
              >
              > Agreed, but that would require 15 voltages. I think it would be
              > easier to get the outputs from an A128.
              >
              > Regards,
              > Kevin
              >
              > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., unknown freak <ospengler@r...> wrote:
              > > You could get this with the basic vocoder modules, as long as you
              > drove
              > > the band CV inputs with voltages. Any tunable DC would do -- A-
              > 129/3s
              > > or A-176s, for example.
              > >
              > > studio1dk wrote:
              > > >
              > > > Check out: http://www.modular-planet.de/_tipps/a128-
              > einzelausg.html
              > > > on the modular planet. It´s how you solder individual outs for
              > the a-
              > > > 128, the down side is that it´s in german.
              > > >
              > > > Keld
              > > >
              > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "code_pig" <code_pig@y...> wrote:
              > > > > While doing a bit of emailing to Peter Grenader, he mentioned a
              > > > new
              > > > > Synthesizer.com module that is a filter bank utility module.
              > > > > Basically, it sits next to their fixed filter bank, and gives
              > > > > unattenuated outputs for each frequency.
              > > > >
              > > > > Would this make a good Doepfer module? I think so. I know
              > this is
              > > > a
              > > > > dumb question, but does anyone have an opinion?
              > > > >
              > > > > Let the debate begin.
              > > >
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            • code_pig
              Once again, agreed. On the other hand, that is a complex and expensive solution to a rather simple problem. ... about ... you ... mentioned a ... gives ...
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                Once again, agreed. On the other hand, that is a complex and
                expensive solution to a rather simple problem.


                --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., unknown freak <ospengler@r...> wrote:
                > Yes.
                >
                > Precisely why some people get 3 A-129/3s for their vocoders.
                >
                > I'm thinking of adding an A128 to my rig, but if I were concerned
                about
                > individual outs, I might just get two more A-129/3s.
                >
                > code_pig wrote:
                > >
                > > Agreed, but that would require 15 voltages. I think it would be
                > > easier to get the outputs from an A128.
                > >
                > > Regards,
                > > Kevin
                > >
                > > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., unknown freak <ospengler@r...> wrote:
                > > > You could get this with the basic vocoder modules, as long as
                you
                > > drove
                > > > the band CV inputs with voltages. Any tunable DC would do -- A-
                > > 129/3s
                > > > or A-176s, for example.
                > > >
                > > > studio1dk wrote:
                > > > >
                > > > > Check out: http://www.modular-planet.de/_tipps/a128-
                > > einzelausg.html
                > > > > on the modular planet. It´s how you solder individual outs for
                > > the a-
                > > > > 128, the down side is that it´s in german.
                > > > >
                > > > > Keld
                > > > >
                > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "code_pig" <code_pig@y...> wrote:
                > > > > > While doing a bit of emailing to Peter Grenader, he
                mentioned a
                > > > > new
                > > > > > Synthesizer.com module that is a filter bank utility module.
                > > > > > Basically, it sits next to their fixed filter bank, and
                gives
                > > > > > unattenuated outputs for each frequency.
                > > > > >
                > > > > > Would this make a good Doepfer module? I think so. I know
                > > this is
                > > > > a
                > > > > > dumb question, but does anyone have an opinion?
                > > > > >
                > > > > > Let the debate begin.
                > > > >
                > > > >
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              • unknown freak
                That depends on whether you already have the vocoder -- with at least one A-129/3 -- in your rig, as I do. Two more A-129/3s from enport would run you $234,
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                  That depends on whether you already have the vocoder -- with at least
                  one A-129/3 -- in your rig, as I do. Two more A-129/3s from enport
                  would run you $234, while an A-128 would run $160, but you have to also
                  figure in parts, time, and soldering iron misery for the modification to
                  the A-128 for the same effect. If you're talking about complexity, the
                  modification to the A-128 would be the first place I'd look, but to each
                  his/her own.


                  > -----Original Message-----
                  > From: code_pig [mailto:code_pig@...]
                  > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 2:16 PM
                  > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
                  > Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Utility Module Request
                  >
                  >
                  > Once again, agreed. On the other hand, that is a complex and
                  > expensive solution to a rather simple problem.
                  >
                  >
                  > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., unknown freak <ospengler@r...> wrote:
                  > > Yes.
                  > >
                  > > Precisely why some people get 3 A-129/3s for their vocoders.
                  > >
                  > > I'm thinking of adding an A128 to my rig, but if I were concerned
                  > about
                  > > individual outs, I might just get two more A-129/3s.
                  > >
                  > > code_pig wrote:
                  > > >
                  > > > Agreed, but that would require 15 voltages. I think it would be
                  > > > easier to get the outputs from an A128.
                  > > >
                  > > > Regards,
                  > > > Kevin
                  > > >
                  > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., unknown freak <ospengler@r...> wrote:
                  > > > > You could get this with the basic vocoder modules, as long as
                  > you
                  > > > drove
                  > > > > the band CV inputs with voltages. Any tunable DC would do -- A-
                  > > > 129/3s
                  > > > > or A-176s, for example.
                  > > > >
                  > > > > studio1dk wrote:
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > Check out: http://www.modular-planet.de/_tipps/a128-
                  > > > einzelausg.html
                  > > > > > on the modular planet. It´s how you solder individual outs for
                  > > > the a-
                  > > > > > 128, the down side is that it´s in german.
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > Keld
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "code_pig" <code_pig@y...> wrote:
                  > > > > > > While doing a bit of emailing to Peter Grenader, he
                  > mentioned a
                  > > > > > new
                  > > > > > > Synthesizer.com module that is a filter bank
                  > utility module.
                  > > > > > > Basically, it sits next to their fixed filter bank, and
                  > gives
                  > > > > > > unattenuated outputs for each frequency.
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > Would this make a good Doepfer module? I think so. I know
                  > > > this is
                  > > > > > a
                  > > > > > > dumb question, but does anyone have an opinion?
                  > > > > > >
                  > > > > > > Let the debate begin.
                  > > > > >
                  > > > > >
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                • unknown freak
                  As a side note, with the A-129/3 you d also be picking up an always-useful set of attenuators and tuneable DC sources. (Still, my comments mostly apply to
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                    As a side note, with the A-129/3 you'd also be picking up an
                    always-useful set of attenuators and tuneable DC sources.

                    (Still, my comments mostly apply to people who have the vocoder.)

                    > -----Original Message-----
                    > From: unknown freak [mailto:ospengler@...]
                    > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 2:46 PM
                    > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
                    > Subject: RE: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Utility Module Request
                    >
                    >
                    > That depends on whether you already have the vocoder -- with
                    > at least one A-129/3 -- in your rig, as I do. Two more
                    > A-129/3s from enport would run you $234, while an A-128 would
                    > run $160, but you have to also figure in parts, time, and
                    > soldering iron misery for the modification to the A-128 for
                    > the same effect. If you're talking about complexity, the
                    > modification to the A-128 would be the first place I'd look,
                    > but to each his/her own.
                    >
                    >
                    > > -----Original Message-----
                    > > From: code_pig [mailto:code_pig@...]
                    > > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 2:16 PM
                    > > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
                    > > Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Utility Module Request
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Once again, agreed. On the other hand, that is a complex and
                    > > expensive solution to a rather simple problem.
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., unknown freak <ospengler@r...> wrote:
                    > > > Yes.
                    > > >
                    > > > Precisely why some people get 3 A-129/3s for their vocoders.
                    > > >
                    > > > I'm thinking of adding an A128 to my rig, but if I were concerned
                    > > about
                    > > > individual outs, I might just get two more A-129/3s.
                    > > >
                    > > > code_pig wrote:
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Agreed, but that would require 15 voltages. I think it would be
                    > > > > easier to get the outputs from an A128.
                    > > > >
                    > > > > Regards,
                    > > > > Kevin
                    > > > >
                    > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., unknown freak <ospengler@r...> wrote:
                    > > > > > You could get this with the basic vocoder modules, as long as
                    > > you
                    > > > > drove
                    > > > > > the band CV inputs with voltages. Any tunable DC
                    > would do -- A-
                    > > > > 129/3s
                    > > > > > or A-176s, for example.
                    > > > > >
                    > > > > > studio1dk wrote:
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > Check out: http://www.modular-planet.de/_tipps/a128-
                    > > > > einzelausg.html
                    > > > > > > on the modular planet. It´s how you solder
                    > individual outs for
                    > > > > the a-
                    > > > > > > 128, the down side is that it´s in german.
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > Keld
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "code_pig" <code_pig@y...> wrote:
                    > > > > > > > While doing a bit of emailing to Peter Grenader, he
                    > > mentioned a
                    > > > > > > new
                    > > > > > > > Synthesizer.com module that is a filter bank
                    > > utility module.
                    > > > > > > > Basically, it sits next to their fixed filter bank, and
                    > > gives
                    > > > > > > > unattenuated outputs for each frequency.
                    > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > Would this make a good Doepfer module? I think
                    > so. I know
                    > > > > this is
                    > > > > > > a
                    > > > > > > > dumb question, but does anyone have an opinion?
                    > > > > > > >
                    > > > > > > > Let the debate begin.
                    > > > > > >
                    > > > > > >
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                  • petergrenader
                    I HAVE BEEN BEGGING ANALOGUE SYSTEMS TGO DO THIS FOR MONTHS!!!!!---this would be a GREAT module. It would probably require a re-design of thei= r fixed
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                      I HAVE BEEN BEGGING ANALOGUE SYSTEMS TGO DO THIS FOR MONTHS!!!!!---


                      this would be a GREAT module. It would probably require a re-design of thei=
                      r fixed filter PCB art however to
                      create a ribbon connector out out for each.


                      In Doepfer_a100@y..., "studio1dk" <keldsorensen@m...> wrote:
                      > Check out: http://www.modular-planet.de/_tipps/a128-einzelausg.html
                      > on the modular planet. It´s how you solder individual outs for the a-
                      > 128, the down side is that it´s in german.
                      >
                      > Keld
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "code_pig" <code_pig@y...> wrote:
                      > > While doing a bit of emailing to Peter Grenader, he mentioned a
                      > new
                      > > Synthesizer.com module that is a filter bank utility module.
                      > > Basically, it sits next to their fixed filter bank, and gives
                      > > unattenuated outputs for each frequency.
                      > >
                      > > Would this make a good Doepfer module? I think so. I know this is
                      > a
                      > > dumb question, but does anyone have an opinion?
                      > >
                      > > Let the debate begin.
                    • code_pig
                      Without wanting to seem like a prat, I have to point out a few realities to your solution. First, you are correct in saying that the A129 components will do
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                        Without wanting to seem like a prat, I have to point out a few
                        realities to your solution.

                        First, you are correct in saying that the A129 components will do the
                        job, but that is assuming one has a vocoder (cost: $680 without
                        shipping).

                        Then one must purchase 2 more A129/3's ($117 each), and that runs the
                        price up to $916 (again, without shipping). As I said before, it's
                        one hell of an expensive way to get individual outputs from the A128.

                        Then there's the physical differences. The A129's filter types (1
                        LP, 13 BP, and 1 HP) are different than the A128's 15 BP filters.
                        Then, the frequencies of the A129 (lowest frequency is 100hZ) are
                        different than the A128 (lowest frequency is 50hZ).

                        In short, looking at the cost of the vocoder and additional modules,
                        I certainly feel modifying my A128 is well worth the time.

                        Regards,
                        Kevin


                        --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "unknown freak" <ospengler@r...> wrote:
                        > As a side note, with the A-129/3 you'd also be picking up an
                        > always-useful set of attenuators and tuneable DC sources.
                        >
                        > (Still, my comments mostly apply to people who have the vocoder.)
                        >
                        > > -----Original Message-----
                        > > From: unknown freak [mailto:ospengler@r...]
                        > > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 2:46 PM
                        > > To: Doepfer_a100@y...
                        > > Subject: RE: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Utility Module Request
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > That depends on whether you already have the vocoder -- with
                        > > at least one A-129/3 -- in your rig, as I do. Two more
                        > > A-129/3s from enport would run you $234, while an A-128 would
                        > > run $160, but you have to also figure in parts, time, and
                        > > soldering iron misery for the modification to the A-128 for
                        > > the same effect. If you're talking about complexity, the
                        > > modification to the A-128 would be the first place I'd look,
                        > > but to each his/her own.
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > > -----Original Message-----
                        > > > From: code_pig [mailto:code_pig@y...]
                        > > > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 2:16 PM
                        > > > To: Doepfer_a100@y...
                        > > > Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Utility Module Request
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > Once again, agreed. On the other hand, that is a complex and
                        > > > expensive solution to a rather simple problem.
                        > > >
                        > > >
                        > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., unknown freak <ospengler@r...> wrote:
                        > > > > Yes.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > Precisely why some people get 3 A-129/3s for their vocoders.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > I'm thinking of adding an A128 to my rig, but if I were
                        concerned
                        > > > about
                        > > > > individual outs, I might just get two more A-129/3s.
                        > > > >
                        > > > > code_pig wrote:
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Agreed, but that would require 15 voltages. I think it
                        would be
                        > > > > > easier to get the outputs from an A128.
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > Regards,
                        > > > > > Kevin
                        > > > > >
                        > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., unknown freak <ospengler@r...>
                        wrote:
                        > > > > > > You could get this with the basic vocoder modules, as
                        long as
                        > > > you
                        > > > > > drove
                        > > > > > > the band CV inputs with voltages. Any tunable DC
                        > > would do -- A-
                        > > > > > 129/3s
                        > > > > > > or A-176s, for example.
                        > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > studio1dk wrote:
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > Check out: http://www.modular-planet.de/_tipps/a128-
                        > > > > > einzelausg.html
                        > > > > > > > on the modular planet. It´s how you solder
                        > > individual outs for
                        > > > > > the a-
                        > > > > > > > 128, the down side is that it´s in german.
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > Keld
                        > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "code_pig" <code_pig@y...>
                        wrote:
                        > > > > > > > > While doing a bit of emailing to Peter Grenader, he
                        > > > mentioned a
                        > > > > > > > new
                        > > > > > > > > Synthesizer.com module that is a filter bank
                        > > > utility module.
                        > > > > > > > > Basically, it sits next to their fixed filter bank,
                        and
                        > > > gives
                        > > > > > > > > unattenuated outputs for each frequency.
                        > > > > > > > >
                        > > > > > > > > Would this make a good Doepfer module? I think
                        > > so. I know
                        > > > > > this is
                        > > > > > > > a
                        > > > > > > > > dumb question, but does anyone have an opinion?
                        > > > > > > > >
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                      • unknown freak
                        No pratness involved -- perhaps minor deafness to my saying this mainly applied to people who already have a vocoder with an A-129/3: (Still, my comments
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                          No pratness involved -- perhaps minor deafness to my saying this mainly
                          applied to people who already have a vocoder with an A-129/3: "(Still,
                          my comments mostly apply to people who have the vocoder.)"

                          I'd be curious to see how it goes. Roger Arrick made some goofs in
                          realizing the Synthesizers.com version, like very low amplitudes at the
                          individual outs.

                          What sort of musical effects are you looking to get via tapping
                          individual band outs from the Filterbank?


                          > -----Original Message-----
                          > From: code_pig [mailto:code_pig@...]
                          > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 6:33 PM
                          > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
                          > Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Utility Module Request
                          >
                          >
                          > Without wanting to seem like a prat, I have to point out a few
                          > realities to your solution.
                          >
                          > First, you are correct in saying that the A129 components will do the
                          > job, but that is assuming one has a vocoder (cost: $680 without
                          > shipping).
                          >
                          > Then one must purchase 2 more A129/3's ($117 each), and that runs the
                          > price up to $916 (again, without shipping). As I said before, it's
                          > one hell of an expensive way to get individual outputs from the A128.
                          >
                          > Then there's the physical differences. The A129's filter types (1
                          > LP, 13 BP, and 1 HP) are different than the A128's 15 BP filters.
                          > Then, the frequencies of the A129 (lowest frequency is 100hZ) are
                          > different than the A128 (lowest frequency is 50hZ).
                          >
                          > In short, looking at the cost of the vocoder and additional modules,
                          > I certainly feel modifying my A128 is well worth the time.
                          >
                          > Regards,
                          > Kevin
                          >
                          >
                          > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "unknown freak" <ospengler@r...> wrote:
                          > > As a side note, with the A-129/3 you'd also be picking up an
                          > > always-useful set of attenuators and tuneable DC sources.
                          > >
                          > > (Still, my comments mostly apply to people who have the vocoder.)
                          > >
                          > > > -----Original Message-----
                          > > > From: unknown freak [mailto:ospengler@r...]
                          > > > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 2:46 PM
                          > > > To: Doepfer_a100@y...
                          > > > Subject: RE: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Utility Module Request
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > That depends on whether you already have the vocoder -- with
                          > > > at least one A-129/3 -- in your rig, as I do. Two more
                          > > > A-129/3s from enport would run you $234, while an A-128 would
                          > > > run $160, but you have to also figure in parts, time, and
                          > > > soldering iron misery for the modification to the A-128 for
                          > > > the same effect. If you're talking about complexity, the
                          > > > modification to the A-128 would be the first place I'd look,
                          > > > but to each his/her own.
                          > > >
                          > > >
                          > > > > -----Original Message-----
                          > > > > From: code_pig [mailto:code_pig@y...]
                          > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 2:16 PM
                          > > > > To: Doepfer_a100@y...
                          > > > > Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Utility Module Request
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > Once again, agreed. On the other hand, that is a complex and
                          > > > > expensive solution to a rather simple problem.
                          > > > >
                          > > > >
                          > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., unknown freak <ospengler@r...> wrote:
                          > > > > > Yes.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > Precisely why some people get 3 A-129/3s for their vocoders.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > I'm thinking of adding an A128 to my rig, but if I were
                          > concerned
                          > > > > about
                          > > > > > individual outs, I might just get two more A-129/3s.
                          > > > > >
                          > > > > > code_pig wrote:
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > Agreed, but that would require 15 voltages. I think it
                          > would be
                          > > > > > > easier to get the outputs from an A128.
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > Regards,
                          > > > > > > Kevin
                          > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., unknown freak <ospengler@r...>
                          > wrote:
                          > > > > > > > You could get this with the basic vocoder modules, as
                          > long as
                          > > > > you
                          > > > > > > drove
                          > > > > > > > the band CV inputs with voltages. Any tunable DC
                          > > > would do -- A-
                          > > > > > > 129/3s
                          > > > > > > > or A-176s, for example.
                          > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > studio1dk wrote:
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > Check out: http://www.modular-planet.de/_tipps/a128-
                          > > > > > > einzelausg.html
                          > > > > > > > > on the modular planet. It´s how you solder
                          > > > individual outs for
                          > > > > > > the a-
                          > > > > > > > > 128, the down side is that it´s in german.
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > Keld
                          > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "code_pig" <code_pig@y...>
                          > wrote:
                          > > > > > > > > > While doing a bit of emailing to Peter Grenader, he
                          > > > > mentioned a
                          > > > > > > > > new
                          > > > > > > > > > Synthesizer.com module that is a filter bank
                          > > > > utility module.
                          > > > > > > > > > Basically, it sits next to their fixed filter bank,
                          > and
                          > > > > gives
                          > > > > > > > > > unattenuated outputs for each frequency.
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Would this make a good Doepfer module? I think
                          > > > so. I know
                          > > > > > > this is
                          > > > > > > > > a
                          > > > > > > > > > dumb question, but does anyone have an opinion?
                          > > > > > > > > >
                          > > > > > > > > > Let the debate begin.
                          > > > > > > > >
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                        • unknown freak
                          Actually, I m full of sh_t. The A-129 doesn t give individual band outs -- rather, it gives individual voltage control of band amplitudes, which for a lot of
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                            Actually, I'm full of sh_t. The A-129 doesn't give individual band outs
                            -- rather, it gives individual voltage control of band amplitudes, which
                            for a lot of uses, but certainly not all, amounts to the same thing.

                            > -----Original Message-----
                            > From: unknown freak [mailto:ospengler@...]
                            > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 6:43 PM
                            > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
                            > Subject: RE: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Utility Module Request
                            >
                            >
                            > No pratness involved -- perhaps minor deafness to my saying
                            > this mainly applied to people who already have a vocoder with
                            > an A-129/3: "(Still, my comments mostly apply to people who
                            > have the vocoder.)"
                            >
                            > I'd be curious to see how it goes. Roger Arrick made some
                            > goofs in realizing the Synthesizers.com version, like very
                            > low amplitudes at the individual outs.
                            >
                            > What sort of musical effects are you looking to get via
                            > tapping individual band outs from the Filterbank?
                            >
                            >
                            > > -----Original Message-----
                            > > From: code_pig [mailto:code_pig@...]
                            > > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 6:33 PM
                            > > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
                            > > Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Utility Module Request
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > Without wanting to seem like a prat, I have to point out a few
                            > > realities to your solution.
                            > >
                            > > First, you are correct in saying that the A129 components
                            > will do the
                            > > job, but that is assuming one has a vocoder (cost: $680 without
                            > > shipping).
                            > >
                            > > Then one must purchase 2 more A129/3's ($117 each), and
                            > that runs the
                            > > price up to $916 (again, without shipping). As I said before, it's
                            > > one hell of an expensive way to get individual outputs from
                            > the A128.
                            > >
                            > > Then there's the physical differences. The A129's filter types (1
                            > > LP, 13 BP, and 1 HP) are different than the A128's 15 BP filters.
                            > > Then, the frequencies of the A129 (lowest frequency is 100hZ) are
                            > > different than the A128 (lowest frequency is 50hZ).
                            > >
                            > > In short, looking at the cost of the vocoder and additional modules,
                            > > I certainly feel modifying my A128 is well worth the time.
                            > >
                            > > Regards,
                            > > Kevin
                            > >
                            > >
                            > > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "unknown freak" <ospengler@r...> wrote:
                            > > > As a side note, with the A-129/3 you'd also be picking up an
                            > > > always-useful set of attenuators and tuneable DC sources.
                            > > >
                            > > > (Still, my comments mostly apply to people who have the vocoder.)
                            > > >
                            > > > > -----Original Message-----
                            > > > > From: unknown freak [mailto:ospengler@r...]
                            > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 2:46 PM
                            > > > > To: Doepfer_a100@y...
                            > > > > Subject: RE: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Utility Module Request
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > That depends on whether you already have the vocoder -- with at
                            > > > > least one A-129/3 -- in your rig, as I do. Two more
                            > A-129/3s from
                            > > > > enport would run you $234, while an A-128 would run
                            > $160, but you
                            > > > > have to also figure in parts, time, and soldering iron
                            > misery for
                            > > > > the modification to the A-128 for the same effect. If you're
                            > > > > talking about complexity, the modification to the A-128
                            > would be
                            > > > > the first place I'd look, but to each his/her own.
                            > > > >
                            > > > >
                            > > > > > -----Original Message-----
                            > > > > > From: code_pig [mailto:code_pig@y...]
                            > > > > > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 2:16 PM
                            > > > > > To: Doepfer_a100@y...
                            > > > > > Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Utility Module Request
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > Once again, agreed. On the other hand, that is a complex and
                            > > > > > expensive solution to a rather simple problem.
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > >
                            > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., unknown freak
                            > <ospengler@r...> wrote:
                            > > > > > > Yes.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > Precisely why some people get 3 A-129/3s for their vocoders.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > I'm thinking of adding an A128 to my rig, but if I were
                            > > concerned
                            > > > > > about
                            > > > > > > individual outs, I might just get two more A-129/3s.
                            > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > code_pig wrote:
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > Agreed, but that would require 15 voltages. I think it
                            > > would be
                            > > > > > > > easier to get the outputs from an A128.
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > Regards,
                            > > > > > > > Kevin
                            > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., unknown freak <ospengler@r...>
                            > > wrote:
                            > > > > > > > > You could get this with the basic vocoder modules, as
                            > > long as
                            > > > > > you
                            > > > > > > > drove
                            > > > > > > > > the band CV inputs with voltages. Any tunable DC
                            > > > > would do -- A-
                            > > > > > > > 129/3s
                            > > > > > > > > or A-176s, for example.
                            > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > studio1dk wrote:
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Check out: http://www.modular-planet.de/_tipps/a128-
                            > > > > > > > einzelausg.html
                            > > > > > > > > > on the modular planet. It´s how you solder
                            > > > > individual outs for
                            > > > > > > > the a-
                            > > > > > > > > > 128, the down side is that it´s in german.
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > Keld
                            > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "code_pig" <code_pig@y...>
                            > > wrote:
                            > > > > > > > > > > While doing a bit of emailing to Peter Grenader, he
                            > > > > > mentioned a
                            > > > > > > > > > new
                            > > > > > > > > > > Synthesizer.com module that is a filter bank
                            > > > > > utility module.
                            > > > > > > > > > > Basically, it sits next to their fixed filter bank,
                            > > and
                            > > > > > gives
                            > > > > > > > > > > unattenuated outputs for each frequency.
                            > > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > > Would this make a good Doepfer module? I think
                            > > > > so. I know
                            > > > > > > > this is
                            > > > > > > > > > a
                            > > > > > > > > > > dumb question, but does anyone have an opinion?
                            > > > > > > > > > >
                            > > > > > > > > > > Let the debate begin.
                            > > > > > > > > >
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                          • petergrenader
                            ... let me call attention of two specific applications for separate outs which some of you might enjoy. I have to be a bit of a name dropper on this one. One
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                              >
                              > What sort of musical effects are you looking to get via tapping
                              > individual band outs from the Filterbank?

                              let me call attention of two specific applications for separate outs
                              which some of you might enjoy. I have to be a bit of a name
                              dropper on this one.

                              One is running the output of a signal that is coming from a high
                              Q band pass filter into the fixed filter and popping off the
                              separate taps. You will get an amazing sound from the minimal
                              bandwidth of those two filters working in series. If you control the
                              bandpass with a random stepped sample and hold, then gate
                              the outs of each of the fixed filter banks you are tapping off of with
                              it's own envelope/VCA pair, things get even more interesting. I
                              will make an MP# this week of a piece of music i did years ago
                              that used this effect. it was a very cool effect.

                              The second application is even more fun:

                              Ok, I am old. like mid-forties old. I studied composition at Cal
                              Arts. I worked with Subotnick during the Sky of Cloudless Sulfer
                              days. I was one of the students who realized his control track
                              score for SKY OCS from a score Mort wrote for us. We recorded
                              control signals which were generated form the computer in the
                              Buchla 300 we had there.

                              If you know that piece, if you know how control tracks work, this
                              will be easy to understand. Before midi, in order to pre-record
                              information which you wanted to use to control a synth, you had
                              to make a control track. This was an audio track from a tape
                              recorder, whose output was fed into an envelope follower in
                              which voltage and trigger information was obtained.

                              If you have heard Sky of Cloudless Sulfer, or Until Spring for that
                              matter, you'll get the idea that everything is synced, so massive
                              control tracks had to be were used to pull it off, either that or a
                              Buchla the size of a house. A matter of fact, Mort rented an
                              Ampex eight track, dedicated four of the eight for control tracks
                              and four only for the actual music - and that still wasn't enough
                              for him. He needed more than four control tracks. They were
                              used to generate the pitch info, the meter (timing), for the
                              transcients, for timbre control and even spacial location of every
                              single sound event in that piece of music. This is why he
                              needed only four track for audio. He would set a patch up, start
                              the deck with all the control tracks going through envelpe
                              followers and the piece would basically play itself. It's no big
                              thing now with midi, but it was all voodoo back then. We didnt
                              know why Mort had us doing all this stuff and then he showed
                              us and our mouths were on the floor.

                              We spent about two months making the control tracks, which
                              were very presicely scored, down to the second. He took those
                              and recorded the entire record in one weekend. 30 minutes of
                              music.

                              Because he needed more control tracks than the four channels
                              would provide, we devised a way in which to put TWO control
                              tracks on each audio track using the fixed outs of a Buchla fixed
                              filter bank as a demultiplexer. We would record two independant
                              signals on one track of the deck They were nothing but bleeps of
                              varying lengths. (short decay-only envelope sines used for timing
                              later on and longer ones that swept panning, or opened
                              envelops, etc). Oneof the bleep track was a low frequency sine
                              tone, one was a higher frequency. We would run the output of
                              track through the fixed filter bank, tap off of the output which was
                              the center frequency of the lower recorded tone, and then run an
                              output which was the center frequency of the higher tone.

                              We fed both of those outs into two envelope followers.

                              We were able to get two independant controls tracks on one
                              recorded track with absolutely no cross talk. We tried it with
                              three but it started getting a little dicey. I am not sure if that was
                              due to the filter not being able to pick those off well enough, the
                              tape we were using to record them on (Ampex 406) or any
                              harmonic distortion from the preamp in between .

                              Ok, using a fixed filter bank in this was is a bit archaic now, I
                              admit, but it's an interesting story...no?

                              Anyway, if Doepfer releases this option, buy it. It will be like a
                              pulse divider - you won't use it every day, but when you do, you'l
                              dig it.

                              Peter grenader
                            • ringmod45
                              hi peter, great post thanks a lot for the info. RM ... outs ... the ... with ... was ... was ... the
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                                hi peter, great post thanks a lot for the info.

                                RM


                                --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "petergrenader" <petergrenader@h...> wrote:
                                >
                                > >
                                > > What sort of musical effects are you looking to get via tapping
                                > > individual band outs from the Filterbank?
                                >
                                > let me call attention of two specific applications for separate
                                outs
                                > which some of you might enjoy. I have to be a bit of a name
                                > dropper on this one.
                                >
                                > One is running the output of a signal that is coming from a high
                                > Q band pass filter into the fixed filter and popping off the
                                > separate taps. You will get an amazing sound from the minimal
                                > bandwidth of those two filters working in series. If you control
                                the
                                > bandpass with a random stepped sample and hold, then gate
                                > the outs of each of the fixed filter banks you are tapping off of
                                with
                                > it's own envelope/VCA pair, things get even more interesting. I
                                > will make an MP# this week of a piece of music i did years ago
                                > that used this effect. it was a very cool effect.
                                >
                                > The second application is even more fun:
                                >
                                > Ok, I am old. like mid-forties old. I studied composition at Cal
                                > Arts. I worked with Subotnick during the Sky of Cloudless Sulfer
                                > days. I was one of the students who realized his control track
                                > score for SKY OCS from a score Mort wrote for us. We recorded
                                > control signals which were generated form the computer in the
                                > Buchla 300 we had there.
                                >
                                > If you know that piece, if you know how control tracks work, this
                                > will be easy to understand. Before midi, in order to pre-record
                                > information which you wanted to use to control a synth, you had
                                > to make a control track. This was an audio track from a tape
                                > recorder, whose output was fed into an envelope follower in
                                > which voltage and trigger information was obtained.
                                >
                                > If you have heard Sky of Cloudless Sulfer, or Until Spring for that
                                > matter, you'll get the idea that everything is synced, so massive
                                > control tracks had to be were used to pull it off, either that or a
                                > Buchla the size of a house. A matter of fact, Mort rented an
                                > Ampex eight track, dedicated four of the eight for control tracks
                                > and four only for the actual music - and that still wasn't enough
                                > for him. He needed more than four control tracks. They were
                                > used to generate the pitch info, the meter (timing), for the
                                > transcients, for timbre control and even spacial location of every
                                > single sound event in that piece of music. This is why he
                                > needed only four track for audio. He would set a patch up, start
                                > the deck with all the control tracks going through envelpe
                                > followers and the piece would basically play itself. It's no big
                                > thing now with midi, but it was all voodoo back then. We didnt
                                > know why Mort had us doing all this stuff and then he showed
                                > us and our mouths were on the floor.
                                >
                                > We spent about two months making the control tracks, which
                                > were very presicely scored, down to the second. He took those
                                > and recorded the entire record in one weekend. 30 minutes of
                                > music.
                                >
                                > Because he needed more control tracks than the four channels
                                > would provide, we devised a way in which to put TWO control
                                > tracks on each audio track using the fixed outs of a Buchla fixed
                                > filter bank as a demultiplexer. We would record two independant
                                > signals on one track of the deck They were nothing but bleeps of
                                > varying lengths. (short decay-only envelope sines used for timing
                                > later on and longer ones that swept panning, or opened
                                > envelops, etc). Oneof the bleep track was a low frequency sine
                                > tone, one was a higher frequency. We would run the output of
                                > track through the fixed filter bank, tap off of the output which
                                was
                                > the center frequency of the lower recorded tone, and then run an
                                > output which was the center frequency of the higher tone.
                                >
                                > We fed both of those outs into two envelope followers.
                                >
                                > We were able to get two independant controls tracks on one
                                > recorded track with absolutely no cross talk. We tried it with
                                > three but it started getting a little dicey. I am not sure if that
                                was
                                > due to the filter not being able to pick those off well enough,
                                the
                                > tape we were using to record them on (Ampex 406) or any
                                > harmonic distortion from the preamp in between .
                                >
                                > Ok, using a fixed filter bank in this was is a bit archaic now, I
                                > admit, but it's an interesting story...no?
                                >
                                > Anyway, if Doepfer releases this option, buy it. It will be like a
                                > pulse divider - you won't use it every day, but when you do, you'l
                                > dig it.
                                >
                                > Peter grenader
                              • unknown freak
                                The information about control tracks is fascinating. (The patch involving the bandpass and fixed filterbank outs can be done with the vocoder.)
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                                  The information about control tracks is fascinating.

                                  (The patch involving the bandpass and fixed filterbank outs can be done
                                  with the vocoder.)

                                  > -----Original Message-----
                                  > From: petergrenader [mailto:petergrenader@...]
                                  > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 10:33 PM
                                  > To: Doepfer_a100@yahoogroups.com
                                  > Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Utility Module Request
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > >
                                  > > What sort of musical effects are you looking to get via tapping
                                  > > individual band outs from the Filterbank?
                                  >
                                  > let me call attention of two specific applications for separate outs
                                  > which some of you might enjoy. I have to be a bit of a name
                                  > dropper on this one ...
                                  >
                                • buechlerjoe
                                  That s the same technique that I recommended when Duff was asking about recording CVs on digital audio equipment. But, I realized that calibration would be a
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                                    That's the same technique that I recommended when Duff was asking
                                    about recording CVs on digital audio equipment. But, I realized
                                    that calibration would be a major pain. The A192 would be a much
                                    better solution in the 21st century ;-)

                                    The other stuff, I use outboard parametric EQ and outboard filters
                                    for. The DAF1 can give you 96db slope for LP, or 48db for bandpass or
                                    notch.

                                    Joe

                                    --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "unknown freak" <ospengler@r...> wrote:
                                    > The information about control tracks is fascinating.
                                    >
                                    > (The patch involving the bandpass and fixed filterbank outs can be
                                    done
                                    > with the vocoder.)
                                    >
                                    > > -----Original Message-----
                                    > > From: petergrenader [mailto:petergrenader@h...]
                                    > > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 10:33 PM
                                    > > To: Doepfer_a100@y...
                                    > > Subject: [Doepfer_a100] Re: Utility Module Request
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > > What sort of musical effects are you looking to get via tapping
                                    > > > individual band outs from the Filterbank?
                                    > >
                                    > > let me call attention of two specific applications for separate
                                    outs
                                    > > which some of you might enjoy. I have to be a bit of a name
                                    > > dropper on this one ...
                                    > >
                                  • code_pig
                                    Hey Freak, unknown as you may be, do you happen to own a Doepfer vocoder? Okay, I m having a bit of a dig (mind you though, in the nicest possible way). In
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                                      Hey Freak, unknown as you may be, do you happen to own a Doepfer
                                      vocoder? Okay, I'm having a bit of a dig (mind you though, in the
                                      nicest possible way).

                                      In all seriousness though, Peter's examples of how one can use
                                      individual outputs of the A128 are spot on. He's got a LOT of
                                      knowledge... trust me on this one.


                                      --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "unknown freak" <ospengler@r...> wrote:
                                      > (The patch involving the bandpass and fixed filterbank outs can be
                                      > done with the vocoder.)
                                    • jmaddocks1975
                                      This has been a very interesting topic. I wanted individual outs for the filter band a few years ago and decided the vocoder was the best route to go. I use
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                                        This has been a very interesting topic. I wanted individual outs for
                                        the filter band a few years ago and decided the vocoder was the best
                                        route to go. I use the vocoder with a couple of A-176's controling
                                        the volume of each band, but thinking about it the Pocket Control
                                        would give me more control of each band.

                                        Pete G is one clever dude!
                                      • unknown freak
                                        Hey Pig, I don t mind your having a wallow. Yes, I ve got the vocoder, and I use and like it a lot, also never vocally controlled. My most typical use
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                                          Hey Pig,

                                          I don't mind your having a wallow. Yes, I've got the vocoder, and I use
                                          and like it a lot, also never vocally controlled. My most typical use
                                          actually involves controlling it with a sine wave from a sequenced or
                                          LFO'd or etc. VCO or resonating filter to pick out individual bands.
                                          Vocoders have a ton of uses. My comment that the patch Peter described
                                          could be done with the vocoder was prime facie true -- what's a vocoder
                                          after all but a fixed filterbank in which each band has its own VCA.
                                          The difference is that the vocoder has one unity output for all the
                                          bands, but as I said, for lots of uses that wouldn't really matter.
                                          There must be patches for which it *would* matter to have individual
                                          band outputs for separate processing, but for simple VCAing of bands
                                          where they'd be going to the same destination, the vocoder does the
                                          job. That doesn't mean there shouldn't be an individual band output
                                          helper module for the fixed filter bank, just that the particular
                                          example sounded like one that could be done without one.


                                          As for as Peter's knowledge, it's unquestionable.

                                          code_pig wrote:
                                          >
                                          > Hey Freak, unknown as you may be, do you happen to own a Doepfer
                                          > vocoder? Okay, I'm having a bit of a dig (mind you though, in the
                                          > nicest possible way).
                                          >
                                          > In all seriousness though, Peter's examples of how one can use
                                          > individual outputs of the A128 are spot on. He's got a LOT of
                                          > knowledge... trust me on this one.
                                          >
                                          > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "unknown freak" <ospengler@r...> wrote:
                                          > > (The patch involving the bandpass and fixed filterbank outs can be
                                          > > done with the vocoder.)
                                        • buechlerjoe
                                          Hi UF You ve got me kind of interested. Jeez, I swore I was happy with my A100 configuration, too :-) What you recommend for a Vocoder configuration as a
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                                            Hi UF

                                            You've got me kind of interested. Jeez, I swore I was happy with my
                                            A100 configuration, too :-)

                                            What you recommend for a Vocoder configuration as a supplement to an
                                            existing A100 voice? Would this allow a decent one-row configuration?

                                            Joe

                                            P.S. As far as EVERYONE's knowledge here in the group, I think
                                            that's what's unquestionable. I'm constantly amazed at the range of
                                            useful information shared by everyone here.

                                            --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., unknown freak <ospengler@r...> wrote:
                                            > Hey Pig,
                                            >
                                            > I don't mind your having a wallow. Yes, I've got the vocoder, and I
                                            use
                                            > and like it a lot, also never vocally controlled. My most typical
                                            use
                                            > actually involves controlling it with a sine wave from a sequenced
                                            or
                                            > LFO'd or etc. VCO or resonating filter to pick out individual bands.
                                            > Vocoders have a ton of uses. My comment that the patch Peter
                                            described
                                            > could be done with the vocoder was prime facie true -- what's a
                                            vocoder
                                            > after all but a fixed filterbank in which each band has its own VCA.
                                            > The difference is that the vocoder has one unity output for all the
                                            > bands, but as I said, for lots of uses that wouldn't really matter.
                                            > There must be patches for which it *would* matter to have individual
                                            > band outputs for separate processing, but for simple VCAing of bands
                                            > where they'd be going to the same destination, the vocoder does the
                                            > job. That doesn't mean there shouldn't be an individual band output
                                            > helper module for the fixed filter bank, just that the particular
                                            > example sounded like one that could be done without one.
                                            >
                                            >
                                            > As for as Peter's knowledge, it's unquestionable.
                                          • unknown freak
                                            Joe, I m not quite sure I m getting the gist of your terms voice and one-row configuration , but as for the vocoder I d say you could get by for a lot of
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                                              Joe,

                                              I'm not quite sure I'm getting the gist of your terms "voice" and
                                              "one-row configuration", but as for the vocoder I'd say you could get by
                                              for a lot of purposes just fine with just the analysis section and the
                                              synthesis section (A-129/1 and A-129/2). If you're bringing in a
                                              microphone, the A-129/5 is useful. The A-129/3 takes you into a realm
                                              of being able to edit the voltages you're bringing into the synthesis
                                              section (three 129/3s -- the ideal full complement -- turns the vocoder
                                              into a filterbank; I've only got one), and the A-129/4 adds slew.

                                              For most of my uses, I'm really only using the analysis and synthesis
                                              modules. That certainly won't eat up a row.

                                              But if by "one-row configuration" you mean a 3U row of modules as the
                                              extent of the instrument, I think the standard 3U configuration offered
                                              by Doepfer hits the mark with module choices for versatility, and
                                              shoehorning in the vocoder would probably not be advisable there. If
                                              you just wanted a simple outboard vocoder you could probably pick up an
                                              Electrix WarpFactory for under $200 on eBay, and though not modular it's
                                              a pretty fun and good-sounding, especially for the price. Frankly it
                                              tempts me, too, for certain kinds of quick and easy formant-capturing,
                                              and it's stereo.


                                              buechlerjoe wrote:
                                              >
                                              > Hi UF
                                              >
                                              > You've got me kind of interested. Jeez, I swore I was happy with my
                                              > A100 configuration, too :-)
                                              >
                                              > What you recommend for a Vocoder configuration as a supplement to an
                                              > existing A100 voice? Would this allow a decent one-row configuration?
                                              >
                                              > Joe
                                              >
                                              > P.S. As far as EVERYONE's knowledge here in the group, I think
                                              > that's what's unquestionable. I'm constantly amazed at the range of
                                              > useful information shared by everyone here.
                                              >
                                              > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., unknown freak <ospengler@r...> wrote:
                                              > > Hey Pig,
                                              > >
                                              > > I don't mind your having a wallow. Yes, I've got the vocoder, and I
                                              > use
                                              > > and like it a lot, also never vocally controlled. My most typical
                                              > use
                                              > > actually involves controlling it with a sine wave from a sequenced
                                              > or
                                              > > LFO'd or etc. VCO or resonating filter to pick out individual bands.
                                              > > Vocoders have a ton of uses. My comment that the patch Peter
                                              > described
                                              > > could be done with the vocoder was prime facie true -- what's a
                                              > vocoder
                                              > > after all but a fixed filterbank in which each band has its own VCA.
                                              > > The difference is that the vocoder has one unity output for all the
                                              > > bands, but as I said, for lots of uses that wouldn't really matter.
                                              > > There must be patches for which it *would* matter to have individual
                                              > > band outputs for separate processing, but for simple VCAing of bands
                                              > > where they'd be going to the same destination, the vocoder does the
                                              > > job. That doesn't mean there shouldn't be an individual band output
                                              > > helper module for the fixed filter bank, just that the particular
                                              > > example sounded like one that could be done without one.
                                              > >
                                              > >
                                              > > As for as Peter's knowledge, it's unquestionable.
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
                                              > doepfer_a100-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
                                              >
                                              >
                                              >
                                              > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
                                            • buechlerjoe
                                              Hi RM I have four rows of modules, so I was considering the 129/1 and 129/2 and associated modules that would fit in a single 3U row. So maybe 129/1, 129/2 and
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                                                Hi RM
                                                I have four rows of modules, so I was considering the 129/1 and 129/2
                                                and associated modules that would fit in a single 3U row.

                                                So maybe 129/1, 129/2 and 3X 129/3 - 80U, there's a row.

                                                Or for adding vocal processing, maybe 129/1, 129/2, 129/3, 129/5, 117,
                                                146, 192 (for recording the analysis CVs.)

                                                Why is DNG recommended on the Doepfer web page? I already have an 118,
                                                would that be adequate for unvoiced?

                                                Likewise the 146? I already have 2X 145 and 147?

                                                Sorry I'm a bit ingnorant about vocoder stuff.

                                                Joe

                                                --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., unknown freak <ospengler@r...> wrote:
                                                > Joe,
                                                >
                                                > I'm not quite sure I'm getting the gist of your terms "voice" and
                                                > "one-row configuration", but as for the vocoder I'd say you could
                                                get by
                                                > for a lot of purposes just fine with just the analysis section and
                                                the
                                                > synthesis section (A-129/1 and A-129/2). If you're bringing in a
                                                > microphone, the A-129/5 is useful. The A-129/3 takes you into a
                                                realm
                                                > of being able to edit the voltages you're bringing into the
                                                synthesis
                                                > section (three 129/3s -- the ideal full complement -- turns the
                                                vocoder
                                                > into a filterbank; I've only got one), and the A-129/4 adds slew.
                                                >
                                                > For most of my uses, I'm really only using the analysis and
                                                synthesis
                                                > modules. That certainly won't eat up a row.
                                                >
                                                > But if by "one-row configuration" you mean a 3U row of modules as
                                                the
                                                > extent of the instrument, I think the standard 3U configuration
                                                offered
                                                > by Doepfer hits the mark with module choices for versatility, and
                                                > shoehorning in the vocoder would probably not be advisable there.
                                                If
                                                > you just wanted a simple outboard vocoder you could probably pick up
                                                an
                                                > Electrix WarpFactory for under $200 on eBay, and though not modular
                                                it's
                                                > a pretty fun and good-sounding, especially for the price. Frankly
                                                it
                                                > tempts me, too, for certain kinds of quick and easy
                                                formant-capturing,
                                                > and it's stereo.
                                                >
                                                >
                                                > buechlerjoe wrote:
                                                > >
                                                > > Hi UF
                                                > >
                                                > > You've got me kind of interested. Jeez, I swore I was happy with
                                                my
                                                > > A100 configuration, too :-)
                                                > >
                                                > > What you recommend for a Vocoder configuration as a supplement to
                                                an
                                                > > existing A100 voice? Would this allow a decent one-row
                                                configuration?
                                                > >
                                                > > Joe
                                                > >
                                                > > P.S. As far as EVERYONE's knowledge here in the group, I think
                                                > > that's what's unquestionable. I'm constantly amazed at the range
                                                of
                                                > > useful information shared by everyone here.
                                                > >
                                                > > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., unknown freak <ospengler@r...> wrote:
                                                > > > Hey Pig,
                                                > > >
                                                > > > I don't mind your having a wallow. Yes, I've got the vocoder,
                                                and I
                                                > > use
                                                > > > and like it a lot, also never vocally controlled. My most
                                                typical
                                                > > use
                                                > > > actually involves controlling it with a sine wave from a
                                                sequenced
                                                > > or
                                                > > > LFO'd or etc. VCO or resonating filter to pick out individual
                                                bands.
                                                > > > Vocoders have a ton of uses. My comment that the patch Peter
                                                > > described
                                                > > > could be done with the vocoder was prime facie true -- what's a
                                                > > vocoder
                                                > > > after all but a fixed filterbank in which each band has its own
                                                VCA.
                                                > > > The difference is that the vocoder has one unity output for all
                                                the
                                                > > > bands, but as I said, for lots of uses that wouldn't really
                                                matter.
                                                > > > There must be patches for which it *would* matter to have
                                                individual
                                                > > > band outputs for separate processing, but for simple VCAing of
                                                bands
                                                > > > where they'd be going to the same destination, the vocoder does
                                                the
                                                > > > job. That doesn't mean there shouldn't be an individual band
                                                output
                                                > > > helper module for the fixed filter bank, just that the
                                                particular
                                                > > > example sounded like one that could be done without one.
                                                > > >
                                                > > >
                                                > > > As for as Peter's knowledge, it's unquestionable.
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
                                                > > doepfer_a100-unsubscribe@y...
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > >
                                                > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
                                                http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
                                              • code_pig
                                                I ve got a black face EMS 2000 vocoder. Nice toy. I ve been considering the A129, but have to kid myself into thinking I really need it. ... I use ... use
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                                                  I've got a black face EMS 2000 vocoder. Nice toy. I've been
                                                  considering the A129, but have to kid myself into thinking I really
                                                  need it.

                                                  --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., unknown freak <ospengler@r...> wrote:
                                                  > Hey Pig,
                                                  >
                                                  > I don't mind your having a wallow. Yes, I've got the vocoder, and
                                                  I use
                                                  > and like it a lot, also never vocally controlled. My most typical
                                                  use
                                                  > actually involves controlling it with a sine wave from a sequenced
                                                  or
                                                  > LFO'd or etc. VCO or resonating filter to pick out individual
                                                  bands.
                                                  > Vocoders have a ton of uses. My comment that the patch Peter
                                                  described
                                                  > could be done with the vocoder was prime facie true -- what's a
                                                  vocoder
                                                  > after all but a fixed filterbank in which each band has its own
                                                  VCA.
                                                  > The difference is that the vocoder has one unity output for all the
                                                  > bands, but as I said, for lots of uses that wouldn't really matter.
                                                  > There must be patches for which it *would* matter to have individual
                                                  > band outputs for separate processing, but for simple VCAing of bands
                                                  > where they'd be going to the same destination, the vocoder does the
                                                  > job. That doesn't mean there shouldn't be an individual band output
                                                  > helper module for the fixed filter bank, just that the particular
                                                  > example sounded like one that could be done without one.
                                                  >
                                                  >
                                                  > As for as Peter's knowledge, it's unquestionable.
                                                  >
                                                  > code_pig wrote:
                                                  > >
                                                  > > Hey Freak, unknown as you may be, do you happen to own a Doepfer
                                                  > > vocoder? Okay, I'm having a bit of a dig (mind you though, in the
                                                  > > nicest possible way).
                                                  > >
                                                  > > In all seriousness though, Peter's examples of how one can use
                                                  > > individual outputs of the A128 are spot on. He's got a LOT of
                                                  > > knowledge... trust me on this one.
                                                  > >
                                                  > > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "unknown freak" <ospengler@r...> wrote:
                                                  > > > (The patch involving the bandpass and fixed filterbank outs can
                                                  be
                                                  > > > done with the vocoder.)
                                                • code_pig
                                                  Joe, The A146 has variable waveforms, instead of the fixed outputs found on the A145 and A147. The A117 follows the pitch of a VCO, producing kind of a pitched
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                                                    Joe,

                                                    The A146 has variable waveforms, instead of the fixed outputs found
                                                    on the A145 and A147.


                                                    The A117 follows the pitch of a VCO, producing kind of a pitched
                                                    noise, whereas the A118 is your standard noise. Pitched noise can be
                                                    a very useful thing when it is used to modulate things.

                                                    Regards,
                                                    Kevin


                                                    --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "buechlerjoe" <buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
                                                    > Hi RM
                                                    > I have four rows of modules, so I was considering the 129/1 and
                                                    129/2
                                                    > and associated modules that would fit in a single 3U row.
                                                    >
                                                    > So maybe 129/1, 129/2 and 3X 129/3 - 80U, there's a row.
                                                    >
                                                    > Or for adding vocal processing, maybe 129/1, 129/2, 129/3, 129/5,
                                                    117,
                                                    > 146, 192 (for recording the analysis CVs.)
                                                    >
                                                    > Why is DNG recommended on the Doepfer web page? I already have an
                                                    118,
                                                    > would that be adequate for unvoiced?
                                                    >
                                                    > Likewise the 146? I already have 2X 145 and 147?
                                                    >
                                                    > Sorry I'm a bit ingnorant about vocoder stuff.
                                                    >
                                                    > Joe
                                                  • buechlerjoe
                                                    Last ignorant question (I hope): why are variable waveforms useful in a vocoder environment? Joe ... be
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                                                      Last ignorant question (I hope): why are variable waveforms useful
                                                      in a vocoder environment?

                                                      Joe

                                                      --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "code_pig" <code_pig@y...> wrote:
                                                      > Joe,
                                                      >
                                                      > The A146 has variable waveforms, instead of the fixed outputs found
                                                      > on the A145 and A147.
                                                      >
                                                      >
                                                      > The A117 follows the pitch of a VCO, producing kind of a pitched
                                                      > noise, whereas the A118 is your standard noise. Pitched noise can
                                                      be
                                                      > a very useful thing when it is used to modulate things.
                                                      >
                                                      > Regards,
                                                      > Kevin
                                                    • ringmod45
                                                      hi joe, doepfer recommends the A117 because of the 808 sound source part has 2 sound sources which are harmonicaly rich and complex and the digital noise or
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                                                        hi joe, doepfer recommends the A117 because of the 808 sound source
                                                        part has 2 sound sources which are harmonicaly rich and complex and
                                                        the digital noise or you could use the A118's straight white and
                                                        coloured noise which contains all the frequencies both flat and
                                                        coloured with different spectrum shifts.

                                                        what the A117 has is a tuned bank of sawtooth oscillators. the plus
                                                        side is you have a harmonically rich source, the down side is you
                                                        have no tuning available on the source. you could always use an A121
                                                        multimode filter to modify the source. but remember if you are using
                                                        it as an unvoiced source, having the ability to tune the source is
                                                        redundant. same goes with the digital noise. if you use an A147 lfo
                                                        which is synced to the tempo of your track, you could use it to
                                                        modulate the A117's digital noise and have a random synced source for
                                                        your voiced or unvoiced input. you could also use an A115 divider as
                                                        a real time modulator for the the A147's vc input. the best thing to
                                                        do is to experiment, think outside of the box.

                                                        to really implement the vocoder to its maximum capabilities, you
                                                        would need to have the A129-1/2, 3 A129/3, 3A129/4 and 1 A129/5.

                                                        you will then need a compliment of modules for sources, modifiers and
                                                        processors. you will need an A119 for input and envelope follower
                                                        functions to bring an external source for the speech input. you will
                                                        need an A117 and an A118 or both as a source for the unvoiced noise
                                                        input. you will need at least 1 A110 or A111 for the voiced input.
                                                        you will need a mixer to mix the vocoded output with the high out of
                                                        the A129/1. you need at least one of each following to control the
                                                        A129/4, 1 A147, 1 A132, 1 A148 and 1 A140.

                                                        if you wish to have more control, you can add the A191 & A192 to
                                                        record, edit and playback your vocoded material. another suggestion
                                                        would be to use the A129/3 slew-limiters after the A129/1 analysis
                                                        section as manual controllers before the A192 for a rough realtime
                                                        sketch for further editing in your pc sequencer.

                                                        if you want to have a smooth transition between the voiced and
                                                        unvoiced inputs, you will need 2 A170's or A171's if you wish to
                                                        voltage control of the transitions, 2 A130's, 1 A165 and 1 A138 to do
                                                        the job.

                                                        i have 2 portable A100 cases dedicated to external processing, here
                                                        is the layout
                                                        case #1

                                                        top A117, A148, A147, A171, A171, A132, ASo MX224, ASo MX61, A115
                                                        bot A177, A119, A119, A129/1, A129/3, A129/3, power supply

                                                        case #2
                                                        top A129/5, A129/4 ASo Mx224, 2 x A121, 2 x A125, 2xASy rs120, A134
                                                        bot A129/3, A192, A191, A136, A136, ASy rs60, A138, power supply

                                                        i also change modules around when more of one needed than the other.i
                                                        plan build next case to include 1 more A124, 2 A127, 2 ASy rs240
                                                        frequency shifters, 2 ASy rs310, 2 A103 and 1 A174.

                                                        once the Analogue Systems VC delays arrive i plan on building a
                                                        special 4 row case with 168 hp per row. i hope some this helps you in
                                                        your quest for a vocoder.

                                                        regards,
                                                        RM

                                                        --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "buechlerjoe" <buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
                                                        > Hi RM
                                                        > I have four rows of modules, so I was considering the 129/1 and
                                                        129/2
                                                        > and associated modules that would fit in a single 3U row.
                                                        >
                                                        > So maybe 129/1, 129/2 and 3X 129/3 - 80U, there's a row.
                                                        >
                                                        > Or for adding vocal processing, maybe 129/1, 129/2, 129/3, 129/5,
                                                        117,
                                                        > 146, 192 (for recording the analysis CVs.)
                                                        >
                                                        > Why is DNG recommended on the Doepfer web page? I already have an
                                                        118,
                                                        > would that be adequate for unvoiced?
                                                        >
                                                        > Likewise the 146? I already have 2X 145 and 147?
                                                        >
                                                        > Sorry I'm a bit ingnorant about vocoder stuff.
                                                        >
                                                        > Joe
                                                        >
                                                        > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., unknown freak <ospengler@r...> wrote:
                                                        > > Joe,
                                                        > >
                                                        > > I'm not quite sure I'm getting the gist of your terms "voice" and
                                                        > > "one-row configuration", but as for the vocoder I'd say you could
                                                        > get by
                                                        > > for a lot of purposes just fine with just the analysis section
                                                        and
                                                        > the
                                                        > > synthesis section (A-129/1 and A-129/2). If you're bringing in a
                                                        > > microphone, the A-129/5 is useful. The A-129/3 takes you into a
                                                        > realm
                                                        > > of being able to edit the voltages you're bringing into the
                                                        > synthesis
                                                        > > section (three 129/3s -- the ideal full complement -- turns the
                                                        > vocoder
                                                        > > into a filterbank; I've only got one), and the A-129/4 adds slew.
                                                        > >
                                                        > > For most of my uses, I'm really only using the analysis and
                                                        > synthesis
                                                        > > modules. That certainly won't eat up a row.
                                                        > >
                                                        > > But if by "one-row configuration" you mean a 3U row of modules as
                                                        > the
                                                        > > extent of the instrument, I think the standard 3U configuration
                                                        > offered
                                                        > > by Doepfer hits the mark with module choices for versatility, and
                                                        > > shoehorning in the vocoder would probably not be advisable
                                                        there.
                                                        > If
                                                        > > you just wanted a simple outboard vocoder you could probably pick
                                                        up
                                                        > an
                                                        > > Electrix WarpFactory for under $200 on eBay, and though not
                                                        modular
                                                        > it's
                                                        > > a pretty fun and good-sounding, especially for the price.
                                                        Frankly
                                                        > it
                                                        > > tempts me, too, for certain kinds of quick and easy
                                                        > formant-capturing,
                                                        > > and it's stereo.
                                                        > >
                                                        > >
                                                        > > buechlerjoe wrote:
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > > Hi UF
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > > You've got me kind of interested. Jeez, I swore I was happy
                                                        with
                                                        > my
                                                        > > > A100 configuration, too :-)
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > > What you recommend for a Vocoder configuration as a supplement
                                                        to
                                                        > an
                                                        > > > existing A100 voice? Would this allow a decent one-row
                                                        > configuration?
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > > Joe
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > > P.S. As far as EVERYONE's knowledge here in the group, I think
                                                        > > > that's what's unquestionable. I'm constantly amazed at the
                                                        range
                                                        > of
                                                        > > > useful information shared by everyone here.
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., unknown freak <ospengler@r...> wrote:
                                                        > > > > Hey Pig,
                                                        > > > >
                                                        > > > > I don't mind your having a wallow. Yes, I've got the
                                                        vocoder,
                                                        > and I
                                                        > > > use
                                                        > > > > and like it a lot, also never vocally controlled. My most
                                                        > typical
                                                        > > > use
                                                        > > > > actually involves controlling it with a sine wave from a
                                                        > sequenced
                                                        > > > or
                                                        > > > > LFO'd or etc. VCO or resonating filter to pick out individual
                                                        > bands.
                                                        > > > > Vocoders have a ton of uses. My comment that the patch Peter
                                                        > > > described
                                                        > > > > could be done with the vocoder was prime facie true -- what's
                                                        a
                                                        > > > vocoder
                                                        > > > > after all but a fixed filterbank in which each band has its
                                                        own
                                                        > VCA.
                                                        > > > > The difference is that the vocoder has one unity output for
                                                        all
                                                        > the
                                                        > > > > bands, but as I said, for lots of uses that wouldn't really
                                                        > matter.
                                                        > > > > There must be patches for which it *would* matter to have
                                                        > individual
                                                        > > > > band outputs for separate processing, but for simple VCAing
                                                        of
                                                        > bands
                                                        > > > > where they'd be going to the same destination, the vocoder
                                                        does
                                                        > the
                                                        > > > > job. That doesn't mean there shouldn't be an individual band
                                                        > output
                                                        > > > > helper module for the fixed filter bank, just that the
                                                        > particular
                                                        > > > > example sounded like one that could be done without one.
                                                        > > > >
                                                        > > > >
                                                        > > > > As for as Peter's knowledge, it's unquestionable.
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
                                                        > > > doepfer_a100-unsubscribe@y...
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > >
                                                        > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to
                                                        > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
                                                      • unknown freak
                                                        You are indeed an intense vocoding wildman. I should point out that someone newly experimenting with vocoding could get 80% of the way there with the analysis
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                                                          You are indeed an intense vocoding wildman. I should point out that
                                                          someone newly experimenting with vocoding could get 80% of the way there
                                                          with the analysis and synthesis modules and a preamp and something
                                                          feeding the instrument input -- richest choice obviously being sawtooth
                                                          waves. All right, perhaps also the voiced/unvoiced detector.
                                                          Everything else builds from that. I also believe that for simple
                                                          vocoding, there are cheaper routes -- the real beauty of Doepfer's
                                                          version is its complete open-endedness. Frankly, it can actually sound
                                                          a little dirty, not that that's necessarily a bad thing.

                                                          And now, senseless rambling about cases and aesthetics: I *love* the
                                                          idea of a 4-row 168-hp case. I've got 9 84-hp rows in a couple of
                                                          Raxxess racks, which is fine but inelegant. Then again, when you start
                                                          patching up those closely-space Doepfer modules with skinny
                                                          technicolored patchcords the look becomes inelegant pretty fast anyway.
                                                          The Doepfer is a kickass modular cleverly disguised as cheap lab
                                                          equipment. I really just care about the sound. I like the looks of
                                                          Analogue Systems' case, but it's so expensive. Somehow Synthesizers.com
                                                          manages to offer a great-looking slanted case for much, much less. I
                                                          wish it fit Doepfer-size modules.

                                                          If Synthesizers.com offered anywhere near the module catalog of Doepfer,
                                                          I'd be severely tempted, both for ergonomics -- big knobs, large
                                                          real-estate -- and jacks longevity. I need to find some impoverished
                                                          person surviving on beads of solder to do a massive banana-jack
                                                          retrofit. That would render the machine immortal. I'd never trust
                                                          myself to do it.


                                                          ringmod45 wrote:
                                                          >
                                                          > hi joe, doepfer recommends the A117 because of the 808 sound source
                                                          > part has 2 sound sources which are harmonicaly rich and complex and
                                                          > the digital noise or you could use the A118's straight white and
                                                          > coloured noise which contains all the frequencies both flat and
                                                          > coloured with different spectrum shifts.
                                                          >
                                                          > what the A117 has is a tuned bank of sawtooth oscillators. the plus
                                                          > side is you have a harmonically rich source, the down side is you
                                                          > have no tuning available on the source. you could always use an A121
                                                          > multimode filter to modify the source. but remember if you are using
                                                          > it as an unvoiced source, having the ability to tune the source is
                                                          > redundant. same goes with the digital noise. if you use an A147 lfo
                                                          > which is synced to the tempo of your track, you could use it to
                                                          > modulate the A117's digital noise and have a random synced source for
                                                          > your voiced or unvoiced input. you could also use an A115 divider as
                                                          > a real time modulator for the the A147's vc input. the best thing to
                                                          > do is to experiment, think outside of the box.
                                                          >
                                                          > to really implement the vocoder to its maximum capabilities, you
                                                          > would need to have the A129-1/2, 3 A129/3, 3A129/4 and 1 A129/5.
                                                          >
                                                          > you will then need a compliment of modules for sources, modifiers and
                                                          > processors. you will need an A119 for input and envelope follower
                                                          > functions to bring an external source for the speech input. you will
                                                          > need an A117 and an A118 or both as a source for the unvoiced noise
                                                          > input. you will need at least 1 A110 or A111 for the voiced input.
                                                          > you will need a mixer to mix the vocoded output with the high out of
                                                          > the A129/1. you need at least one of each following to control the
                                                          > A129/4, 1 A147, 1 A132, 1 A148 and 1 A140.
                                                          >
                                                          > if you wish to have more control, you can add the A191 & A192 to
                                                          > record, edit and playback your vocoded material. another suggestion
                                                          > would be to use the A129/3 slew-limiters after the A129/1 analysis
                                                          > section as manual controllers before the A192 for a rough realtime
                                                          > sketch for further editing in your pc sequencer.
                                                          >
                                                          > if you want to have a smooth transition between the voiced and
                                                          > unvoiced inputs, you will need 2 A170's or A171's if you wish to
                                                          > voltage control of the transitions, 2 A130's, 1 A165 and 1 A138 to do
                                                          > the job.
                                                          >
                                                          > i have 2 portable A100 cases dedicated to external processing, here
                                                          > is the layout
                                                          > case #1
                                                          >
                                                          > top A117, A148, A147, A171, A171, A132, ASo MX224, ASo MX61, A115
                                                          > bot A177, A119, A119, A129/1, A129/3, A129/3, power supply
                                                          >
                                                          > case #2
                                                          > top A129/5, A129/4 ASo Mx224, 2 x A121, 2 x A125, 2xASy rs120, A134
                                                          > bot A129/3, A192, A191, A136, A136, ASy rs60, A138, power supply
                                                          >
                                                          > i also change modules around when more of one needed than the other.i
                                                          > plan build next case to include 1 more A124, 2 A127, 2 ASy rs240
                                                          > frequency shifters, 2 ASy rs310, 2 A103 and 1 A174.
                                                          >
                                                          > once the Analogue Systems VC delays arrive i plan on building a
                                                          > special 4 row case with 168 hp per row. i hope some this helps you in
                                                          > your quest for a vocoder.
                                                          >
                                                          > regards,
                                                          > RM
                                                          >
                                                          > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "buechlerjoe" <buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
                                                          > > Hi RM
                                                          > > I have four rows of modules, so I was considering the 129/1 and
                                                          > 129/2
                                                          > > and associated modules that would fit in a single 3U row.
                                                          > >
                                                          > > So maybe 129/1, 129/2 and 3X 129/3 - 80U, there's a row.
                                                          > >
                                                          > > Or for adding vocal processing, maybe 129/1, 129/2, 129/3, 129/5,
                                                          > 117,
                                                          > > 146, 192 (for recording the analysis CVs.)
                                                          > >
                                                          > > Why is DNG recommended on the Doepfer web page? I already have an
                                                          > 118,
                                                          > > would that be adequate for unvoiced?
                                                          > >
                                                          > > Likewise the 146? I already have 2X 145 and 147?
                                                          > >
                                                          > > Sorry I'm a bit ingnorant about vocoder stuff.
                                                          > >
                                                          > > Joe
                                                          > >
                                                          > > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., unknown freak <ospengler@r...> wrote:
                                                          > > > Joe,
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > I'm not quite sure I'm getting the gist of your terms "voice" and
                                                          > > > "one-row configuration", but as for the vocoder I'd say you could
                                                          > > get by
                                                          > > > for a lot of purposes just fine with just the analysis section
                                                          > and
                                                          > > the
                                                          > > > synthesis section (A-129/1 and A-129/2). If you're bringing in a
                                                          > > > microphone, the A-129/5 is useful. The A-129/3 takes you into a
                                                          > > realm
                                                          > > > of being able to edit the voltages you're bringing into the
                                                          > > synthesis
                                                          > > > section (three 129/3s -- the ideal full complement -- turns the
                                                          > > vocoder
                                                          > > > into a filterbank; I've only got one), and the A-129/4 adds slew.
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > For most of my uses, I'm really only using the analysis and
                                                          > > synthesis
                                                          > > > modules. That certainly won't eat up a row.
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > But if by "one-row configuration" you mean a 3U row of modules as
                                                          > > the
                                                          > > > extent of the instrument, I think the standard 3U configuration
                                                          > > offered
                                                          > > > by Doepfer hits the mark with module choices for versatility, and
                                                          > > > shoehorning in the vocoder would probably not be advisable
                                                          > there.
                                                          > > If
                                                          > > > you just wanted a simple outboard vocoder you could probably pick
                                                          > up
                                                          > > an
                                                          > > > Electrix WarpFactory for under $200 on eBay, and though not
                                                          > modular
                                                          > > it's
                                                          > > > a pretty fun and good-sounding, especially for the price.
                                                          > Frankly
                                                          > > it
                                                          > > > tempts me, too, for certain kinds of quick and easy
                                                          > > formant-capturing,
                                                          > > > and it's stereo.
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > >
                                                          > > > buechlerjoe wrote:
                                                          > > > >
                                                          > > > > Hi UF
                                                          > > > >
                                                          > > > > You've got me kind of interested. Jeez, I swore I was happy
                                                          > with
                                                          > > my
                                                          > > > > A100 configuration, too :-)
                                                          > > > >
                                                          > > > > What you recommend for a Vocoder configuration as a supplement
                                                          > to
                                                          > > an
                                                          > > > > existing A100 voice? Would this allow a decent one-row
                                                          > > configuration?
                                                          > > > >
                                                          > > > > Joe
                                                          > > > >
                                                          > > > > P.S. As far as EVERYONE's knowledge here in the group, I think
                                                          > > > > that's what's unquestionable. I'm constantly amazed at the
                                                          > range
                                                          > > of
                                                          > > > > useful information shared by everyone here.
                                                          > > > >
                                                          > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., unknown freak <ospengler@r...> wrote:
                                                          > > > > > Hey Pig,
                                                          > > > > >
                                                          > > > > > I don't mind your having a wallow. Yes, I've got the
                                                          > vocoder,
                                                          > > and I
                                                          > > > > use
                                                          > > > > > and like it a lot, also never vocally controlled. My most
                                                          > > typical
                                                          > > > > use
                                                          > > > > > actually involves controlling it with a sine wave from a
                                                          > > sequenced
                                                          > > > > or
                                                          > > > > > LFO'd or etc. VCO or resonating filter to pick out individual
                                                          > > bands.
                                                          > > > > > Vocoders have a ton of uses. My comment that the patch Peter
                                                          > > > > described
                                                          > > > > > could be done with the vocoder was prime facie true -- what's
                                                          > a
                                                          > > > > vocoder
                                                          > > > > > after all but a fixed filterbank in which each band has its
                                                          > own
                                                          > > VCA.
                                                          > > > > > The difference is that the vocoder has one unity output for
                                                          > all
                                                          > > the
                                                          > > > > > bands, but as I said, for lots of uses that wouldn't really
                                                          > > matter.
                                                          > > > > > There must be patches for which it *would* matter to have
                                                          > > individual
                                                          > > > > > band outputs for separate processing, but for simple VCAing
                                                          > of
                                                          > > bands
                                                          > > > > > where they'd be going to the same destination, the vocoder
                                                          > does
                                                          > > the
                                                          > > > > > job. That doesn't mean there shouldn't be an individual band
                                                          > > output
                                                          > > > > > helper module for the fixed filter bank, just that the
                                                          > > particular
                                                          > > > > > example sounded like one that could be done without one.
                                                          > > > > >
                                                          > > > > >
                                                          > > > > > As for as Peter's knowledge, it's unquestionable.
                                                          > > > >
                                                          > > > >
                                                          > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
                                                          > > > > doepfer_a100-unsubscribe@y...
                                                          > > > >
                                                          > > > >
                                                          > > > >
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                                                        • buechlerjoe
                                                          Okay, it sounds like I could skip the slew stuff and put together a vocoder in a single row supplemented with my existing modules. Or, I could get a 6U frame
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                                                            Okay, it sounds like I could skip the slew stuff and put together a
                                                            vocoder in a single row supplemented with my existing modules. Or,
                                                            I could get a 6U frame and put together a full-up vocoder with 3
                                                            129/3s.

                                                            I've got a couple more questions:

                                                            I thought the 129/4 could control three 129/3s. Why is 3 X 129/4
                                                            suggested?

                                                            I still don't grok how the variable waveform capability of the 146 is
                                                            used with a vocoder, but I suppose it would become clear if I actually
                                                            tried it.

                                                            The 129/1/2 documentation talks about a "special" 191 that has three
                                                            additional CV outs, instead of the midi-sync LFO, to give enough CV
                                                            outs for the 129/2. So if I wanted midi in/out for the vocoder, I'd
                                                            have to get ANOTHER 191?

                                                            Does anyone know about this "special" 191? I've never seen one
                                                            anywhere. It would be kind of slick, I could also use my Regelwerk as
                                                            a graphic EQ with the 129/2.

                                                            I suppose I could just get a second stock 191 and use it on a
                                                            different channel, but then I'd have to remap the 129/1 outputs going
                                                            out through a 192 to get it to work on playback.

                                                            Joe
                                                            --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., unknown freak <ospengler@r...> wrote:
                                                            > You are indeed an intense vocoding wildman. I should point out that
                                                            > someone newly experimenting with vocoding could get 80% of the way
                                                            there
                                                            > with the analysis and synthesis modules and a preamp and something
                                                            > feeding the instrument input -- richest choice obviously being
                                                            sawtooth
                                                            > waves. All right, perhaps also the voiced/unvoiced detector.
                                                            > Everything else builds from that. I also believe that for simple
                                                            > vocoding, there are cheaper routes -- the real beauty of Doepfer's
                                                            > version is its complete open-endedness. Frankly, it can actually
                                                            sound
                                                            > a little dirty, not that that's necessarily a bad thing.
                                                            >
                                                            > And now, senseless rambling about cases and aesthetics: I *love*
                                                            the
                                                            > idea of a 4-row 168-hp case. I've got 9 84-hp rows in a couple of
                                                            > Raxxess racks, which is fine but inelegant. Then again, when you
                                                            start
                                                            > patching up those closely-space Doepfer modules with skinny
                                                            > technicolored patchcords the look becomes inelegant pretty fast
                                                            anyway.
                                                            > The Doepfer is a kickass modular cleverly disguised as cheap lab
                                                            > equipment. I really just care about the sound. I like the looks of
                                                            > Analogue Systems' case, but it's so expensive. Somehow
                                                            Synthesizers.com
                                                            > manages to offer a great-looking slanted case for much, much less.
                                                            I
                                                            > wish it fit Doepfer-size modules.
                                                            >
                                                            > If Synthesizers.com offered anywhere near the module catalog of
                                                            Doepfer,
                                                            > I'd be severely tempted, both for ergonomics -- big knobs, large
                                                            > real-estate -- and jacks longevity. I need to find some
                                                            impoverished
                                                            > person surviving on beads of solder to do a massive banana-jack
                                                            > retrofit. That would render the machine immortal. I'd never trust
                                                            > myself to do it.
                                                            >
                                                            >
                                                            > ringmod45 wrote:
                                                            > >
                                                            > > hi joe, doepfer recommends the A117 because of the 808 sound
                                                            source
                                                            > > part has 2 sound sources which are harmonicaly rich and complex
                                                            and
                                                            > > the digital noise or you could use the A118's straight white and
                                                            > > coloured noise which contains all the frequencies both flat and
                                                            > > coloured with different spectrum shifts.
                                                            > >
                                                            > > what the A117 has is a tuned bank of sawtooth oscillators. the
                                                            plus
                                                            > > side is you have a harmonically rich source, the down side is you
                                                            > > have no tuning available on the source. you could always use an
                                                            A121
                                                            > > multimode filter to modify the source. but remember if you are
                                                            using
                                                            > > it as an unvoiced source, having the ability to tune the source is
                                                            > > redundant. same goes with the digital noise. if you use an A147
                                                            lfo
                                                            > > which is synced to the tempo of your track, you could use it to
                                                            > > modulate the A117's digital noise and have a random synced source
                                                            for
                                                            > > your voiced or unvoiced input. you could also use an A115 divider
                                                            as
                                                            > > a real time modulator for the the A147's vc input. the best thing
                                                            to
                                                            > > do is to experiment, think outside of the box.
                                                            > >
                                                            > > to really implement the vocoder to its maximum capabilities, you
                                                            > > would need to have the A129-1/2, 3 A129/3, 3A129/4 and 1 A129/5.
                                                            > >
                                                            > > you will then need a compliment of modules for sources, modifiers
                                                            and
                                                            > > processors. you will need an A119 for input and envelope follower
                                                            > > functions to bring an external source for the speech input. you
                                                            will
                                                            > > need an A117 and an A118 or both as a source for the unvoiced
                                                            noise
                                                            > > input. you will need at least 1 A110 or A111 for the voiced input.
                                                            > > you will need a mixer to mix the vocoded output with the high out
                                                            of
                                                            > > the A129/1. you need at least one of each following to control the
                                                            > > A129/4, 1 A147, 1 A132, 1 A148 and 1 A140.
                                                            > >
                                                            > > if you wish to have more control, you can add the A191 & A192 to
                                                            > > record, edit and playback your vocoded material. another
                                                            suggestion
                                                            > > would be to use the A129/3 slew-limiters after the A129/1 analysis
                                                            > > section as manual controllers before the A192 for a rough realtime
                                                            > > sketch for further editing in your pc sequencer.
                                                            > >
                                                            > > if you want to have a smooth transition between the voiced and
                                                            > > unvoiced inputs, you will need 2 A170's or A171's if you wish to
                                                            > > voltage control of the transitions, 2 A130's, 1 A165 and 1 A138 to
                                                            do
                                                            > > the job.
                                                            > >
                                                            > > i have 2 portable A100 cases dedicated to external processing,
                                                            here
                                                            > > is the layout
                                                            > > case #1
                                                            > >
                                                            > > top A117, A148, A147, A171, A171, A132, ASo MX224, ASo MX61,
                                                            A115
                                                            > > bot A177, A119, A119, A129/1, A129/3, A129/3, power supply
                                                            > >
                                                            > > case #2
                                                            > > top A129/5, A129/4 ASo Mx224, 2 x A121, 2 x A125, 2xASy rs120,
                                                            A134
                                                            > > bot A129/3, A192, A191, A136, A136, ASy rs60, A138, power supply
                                                            > >
                                                            > > i also change modules around when more of one needed than the
                                                            other.i
                                                            > > plan build next case to include 1 more A124, 2 A127, 2 ASy rs240
                                                            > > frequency shifters, 2 ASy rs310, 2 A103 and 1 A174.
                                                            > >
                                                            > > once the Analogue Systems VC delays arrive i plan on building a
                                                            > > special 4 row case with 168 hp per row. i hope some this helps you
                                                            in
                                                            > > your quest for a vocoder.
                                                            > >
                                                            > > regards,
                                                            > > RM
                                                            > >
                                                            > > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "buechlerjoe" <buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
                                                            > > > Hi RM
                                                            > > > I have four rows of modules, so I was considering the 129/1 and
                                                            > > 129/2
                                                            > > > and associated modules that would fit in a single 3U row.
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > > So maybe 129/1, 129/2 and 3X 129/3 - 80U, there's a row.
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > > Or for adding vocal processing, maybe 129/1, 129/2, 129/3,
                                                            129/5,
                                                            > > 117,
                                                            > > > 146, 192 (for recording the analysis CVs.)
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > > Why is DNG recommended on the Doepfer web page? I already have
                                                            an
                                                            > > 118,
                                                            > > > would that be adequate for unvoiced?
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > > Likewise the 146? I already have 2X 145 and 147?
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > > Sorry I'm a bit ingnorant about vocoder stuff.
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > > Joe
                                                            > > >
                                                            > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., unknown freak <ospengler@r...> wrote:
                                                            > > > > Joe,
                                                            > > > >
                                                            > > > > I'm not quite sure I'm getting the gist of your terms "voice"
                                                            and
                                                            > > > > "one-row configuration", but as for the vocoder I'd say you
                                                            could
                                                            > > > get by
                                                            > > > > for a lot of purposes just fine with just the analysis section
                                                            > > and
                                                            > > > the
                                                            > > > > synthesis section (A-129/1 and A-129/2). If you're bringing
                                                            in a
                                                            > > > > microphone, the A-129/5 is useful. The A-129/3 takes you into
                                                            a
                                                            > > > realm
                                                            > > > > of being able to edit the voltages you're bringing into the
                                                            > > > synthesis
                                                            > > > > section (three 129/3s -- the ideal full complement -- turns
                                                            the
                                                            > > > vocoder
                                                            > > > > into a filterbank; I've only got one), and the A-129/4 adds
                                                            slew.
                                                            > > > >
                                                            > > > > For most of my uses, I'm really only using the analysis and
                                                            > > > synthesis
                                                            > > > > modules. That certainly won't eat up a row.
                                                            > > > >
                                                            > > > > But if by "one-row configuration" you mean a 3U row of modules
                                                            as
                                                            > > > the
                                                            > > > > extent of the instrument, I think the standard 3U
                                                            configuration
                                                            > > > offered
                                                            > > > > by Doepfer hits the mark with module choices for versatility,
                                                            and
                                                            > > > > shoehorning in the vocoder would probably not be advisable
                                                            > > there.
                                                            > > > If
                                                            > > > > you just wanted a simple outboard vocoder you could probably
                                                            pick
                                                            > > up
                                                            > > > an
                                                            > > > > Electrix WarpFactory for under $200 on eBay, and though not
                                                            > > modular
                                                            > > > it's
                                                            > > > > a pretty fun and good-sounding, especially for the price.
                                                            > > Frankly
                                                            > > > it
                                                            > > > > tempts me, too, for certain kinds of quick and easy
                                                            > > > formant-capturing,
                                                            > > > > and it's stereo.
                                                            > > > >
                                                            > > > >
                                                            > > > > buechlerjoe wrote:
                                                            > > > > >
                                                            > > > > > Hi UF
                                                            > > > > >
                                                            > > > > > You've got me kind of interested. Jeez, I swore I was happy
                                                            > > with
                                                            > > > my
                                                            > > > > > A100 configuration, too :-)
                                                            > > > > >
                                                            > > > > > What you recommend for a Vocoder configuration as a
                                                            supplement
                                                            > > to
                                                            > > > an
                                                            > > > > > existing A100 voice? Would this allow a decent one-row
                                                            > > > configuration?
                                                            > > > > >
                                                            > > > > > Joe
                                                            > > > > >
                                                            > > > > > P.S. As far as EVERYONE's knowledge here in the group, I
                                                            think
                                                            > > > > > that's what's unquestionable. I'm constantly amazed at the
                                                            > > range
                                                            > > > of
                                                            > > > > > useful information shared by everyone here.
                                                            > > > > >
                                                            > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., unknown freak <ospengler@r...>
                                                            wrote:
                                                            > > > > > > Hey Pig,
                                                            > > > > > >
                                                            > > > > > > I don't mind your having a wallow. Yes, I've got the
                                                            > > vocoder,
                                                            > > > and I
                                                            > > > > > use
                                                            > > > > > > and like it a lot, also never vocally controlled. My most
                                                            > > > typical
                                                            > > > > > use
                                                            > > > > > > actually involves controlling it with a sine wave from a
                                                            > > > sequenced
                                                            > > > > > or
                                                            > > > > > > LFO'd or etc. VCO or resonating filter to pick out
                                                            individual
                                                            > > > bands.
                                                            > > > > > > Vocoders have a ton of uses. My comment that the patch
                                                            Peter
                                                            > > > > > described
                                                            > > > > > > could be done with the vocoder was prime facie true --
                                                            what's
                                                            > > a
                                                            > > > > > vocoder
                                                            > > > > > > after all but a fixed filterbank in which each band has
                                                            its
                                                            > > own
                                                            > > > VCA.
                                                            > > > > > > The difference is that the vocoder has one unity output
                                                            for
                                                            > > all
                                                            > > > the
                                                            > > > > > > bands, but as I said, for lots of uses that wouldn't
                                                            really
                                                            > > > matter.
                                                            > > > > > > There must be patches for which it *would* matter to have
                                                            > > > individual
                                                            > > > > > > band outputs for separate processing, but for simple
                                                            VCAing
                                                            > > of
                                                            > > > bands
                                                            > > > > > > where they'd be going to the same destination, the vocoder
                                                            > > does
                                                            > > > the
                                                            > > > > > > job. That doesn't mean there shouldn't be an individual
                                                            band
                                                            > > > output
                                                            > > > > > > helper module for the fixed filter bank, just that the
                                                            > > > particular
                                                            > > > > > > example sounded like one that could be done without one.
                                                            > > > > > >
                                                            > > > > > >
                                                            > > > > > > As for as Peter's knowledge, it's unquestionable.
                                                            > > > > >
                                                            > > > > >
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                                                          • ringmod45
                                                            ... hi joe, go for the 6U and make it portable if you can, that way you can always take it with you to a gig or session. plus you ll kick yourself in the teeth
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                                                              --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "buechlerjoe" <buechlerjoe@t...> wrote:
                                                              > Okay, it sounds like I could skip the slew stuff and put together a
                                                              > vocoder in a single row supplemented with my existing modules. Or,
                                                              > I could get a 6U frame and put together a full-up vocoder with 3
                                                              > 129/3s.

                                                              hi joe, go for the 6U and make it portable if you can, that way you
                                                              can always take it with you to a gig or session. plus you'll kick
                                                              yourself in the teeth when you may want to expand it and have to buy
                                                              another case.

                                                              >
                                                              > I've got a couple more questions:
                                                              >
                                                              > I thought the 129/4 could control three 129/3s. Why is 3 X 129/4
                                                              > suggested?

                                                              the A129/4 can control either 1, 2 or 3 A129/3 slew-limiters. it all
                                                              depends on the sound texture you wish to have. you could use 1 slew
                                                              controller for 3 slew -limiters to have a homogenous slew of all the
                                                              bands or you could do combinations with 1, 2, or 3 slew controllers
                                                              to animate the process further, i.e you 1 slew controller doing the
                                                              lower and higher bands and a second slew controller for the middle
                                                              bands to make the slew slower or faster than the other bands for
                                                              accenting or any combination there of between the slew limiters and
                                                              slew controllers.

                                                              now if you mismatch the bands from the analysis section to the
                                                              synthesis section and apply the above process you get different
                                                              results. again experimentation is the key. it is important that the
                                                              material analyzed is devoid of noise, distortion etc. and is as clean
                                                              and clear as possible once you start doing your vocoding, unless you
                                                              are looking for that effect. a little compression on before the input
                                                              also affects the analysis, try it out and see what is agreeable to
                                                              your ear or the track you making.

                                                              >
                                                              > I still don't grok how the variable waveform capability of the 146
                                                              is
                                                              > used with a vocoder, but I suppose it would become clear if I
                                                              actually
                                                              > tried it.

                                                              think of it as PWM, except you are changing the harmonic distribution
                                                              of the triangle by manually changing the wave from rising sawtooth to
                                                              descending sawtooth. when is it rising it feels like the attack of an
                                                              EG and drops to its start point. when is it is descending it starts
                                                              at the top and decays like an EG and starts at the top again.

                                                              my sugestion to Doepfer would to emcompass all of the functions of
                                                              the A145, A146 and A147 and put them into one module with a gate
                                                              delay instead of having all these lfo's with different functions. one
                                                              obvious improvement to the A146 would be to have voltage control of
                                                              the waveform shape. it is impossible to do so right now with the
                                                              current lfo's. maybe we should have a poll to ask Doepfer to make
                                                              such a module. or make a double lfo with all of the above functions
                                                              and have a switch to put them in a quadrature relationship to each
                                                              other and have a pot to control the time and a vc input.

                                                              >
                                                              > The 129/1/2 documentation talks about a "special" 191 that has
                                                              three
                                                              > additional CV outs, instead of the midi-sync LFO, to give enough CV
                                                              > outs for the 129/2. So if I wanted midi in/out for the vocoder, I'd
                                                              > have to get ANOTHER 191?

                                                              yes, that is correct.

                                                              regards,
                                                              RM



                                                              >
                                                              > Does anyone know about this "special" 191? I've never seen one
                                                              > anywhere. It would be kind of slick, I could also use my Regelwerk
                                                              as
                                                              > a graphic EQ with the 129/2.
                                                              >
                                                              > I suppose I could just get a second stock 191 and use it on a
                                                              > different channel, but then I'd have to remap the 129/1 outputs
                                                              going
                                                              > out through a 192 to get it to work on playback.
                                                              >
                                                              > Joe
                                                              > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., unknown freak <ospengler@r...> wrote:
                                                              > > You are indeed an intense vocoding wildman. I should point out
                                                              that
                                                              > > someone newly experimenting with vocoding could get 80% of the
                                                              way
                                                              > there
                                                              > > with the analysis and synthesis modules and a preamp and something
                                                              > > feeding the instrument input -- richest choice obviously being
                                                              > sawtooth
                                                              > > waves. All right, perhaps also the voiced/unvoiced detector.
                                                              > > Everything else builds from that. I also believe that for simple
                                                              > > vocoding, there are cheaper routes -- the real beauty of Doepfer's
                                                              > > version is its complete open-endedness. Frankly, it can actually
                                                              > sound
                                                              > > a little dirty, not that that's necessarily a bad thing.
                                                              > >
                                                              > > And now, senseless rambling about cases and aesthetics: I *love*
                                                              > the
                                                              > > idea of a 4-row 168-hp case. I've got 9 84-hp rows in a couple of
                                                              > > Raxxess racks, which is fine but inelegant. Then again, when you
                                                              > start
                                                              > > patching up those closely-space Doepfer modules with skinny
                                                              > > technicolored patchcords the look becomes inelegant pretty fast
                                                              > anyway.
                                                              > > The Doepfer is a kickass modular cleverly disguised as cheap lab
                                                              > > equipment. I really just care about the sound. I like the looks
                                                              of
                                                              > > Analogue Systems' case, but it's so expensive. Somehow
                                                              > Synthesizers.com
                                                              > > manages to offer a great-looking slanted case for much, much
                                                              less.
                                                              > I
                                                              > > wish it fit Doepfer-size modules.
                                                              > >
                                                              > > If Synthesizers.com offered anywhere near the module catalog of
                                                              > Doepfer,
                                                              > > I'd be severely tempted, both for ergonomics -- big knobs, large
                                                              > > real-estate -- and jacks longevity. I need to find some
                                                              > impoverished
                                                              > > person surviving on beads of solder to do a massive banana-jack
                                                              > > retrofit. That would render the machine immortal. I'd never
                                                              trust
                                                              > > myself to do it.
                                                              > >
                                                              > >
                                                              > > ringmod45 wrote:
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > > hi joe, doepfer recommends the A117 because of the 808 sound
                                                              > source
                                                              > > > part has 2 sound sources which are harmonicaly rich and complex
                                                              > and
                                                              > > > the digital noise or you could use the A118's straight white and
                                                              > > > coloured noise which contains all the frequencies both flat and
                                                              > > > coloured with different spectrum shifts.
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > > what the A117 has is a tuned bank of sawtooth oscillators. the
                                                              > plus
                                                              > > > side is you have a harmonically rich source, the down side is
                                                              you
                                                              > > > have no tuning available on the source. you could always use
                                                              an
                                                              > A121
                                                              > > > multimode filter to modify the source. but remember if you are
                                                              > using
                                                              > > > it as an unvoiced source, having the ability to tune the source
                                                              is
                                                              > > > redundant. same goes with the digital noise. if you use an A147
                                                              > lfo
                                                              > > > which is synced to the tempo of your track, you could use it to
                                                              > > > modulate the A117's digital noise and have a random synced
                                                              source
                                                              > for
                                                              > > > your voiced or unvoiced input. you could also use an A115
                                                              divider
                                                              > as
                                                              > > > a real time modulator for the the A147's vc input. the best
                                                              thing
                                                              > to
                                                              > > > do is to experiment, think outside of the box.
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > > to really implement the vocoder to its maximum capabilities, you
                                                              > > > would need to have the A129-1/2, 3 A129/3, 3A129/4 and 1 A129/5.
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > > you will then need a compliment of modules for sources,
                                                              modifiers
                                                              > and
                                                              > > > processors. you will need an A119 for input and envelope
                                                              follower
                                                              > > > functions to bring an external source for the speech input. you
                                                              > will
                                                              > > > need an A117 and an A118 or both as a source for the unvoiced
                                                              > noise
                                                              > > > input. you will need at least 1 A110 or A111 for the voiced
                                                              input.
                                                              > > > you will need a mixer to mix the vocoded output with the high
                                                              out
                                                              > of
                                                              > > > the A129/1. you need at least one of each following to control
                                                              the
                                                              > > > A129/4, 1 A147, 1 A132, 1 A148 and 1 A140.
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > > if you wish to have more control, you can add the A191 & A192 to
                                                              > > > record, edit and playback your vocoded material. another
                                                              > suggestion
                                                              > > > would be to use the A129/3 slew-limiters after the A129/1
                                                              analysis
                                                              > > > section as manual controllers before the A192 for a rough
                                                              realtime
                                                              > > > sketch for further editing in your pc sequencer.
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > > if you want to have a smooth transition between the voiced and
                                                              > > > unvoiced inputs, you will need 2 A170's or A171's if you wish to
                                                              > > > voltage control of the transitions, 2 A130's, 1 A165 and 1 A138
                                                              to
                                                              > do
                                                              > > > the job.
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > > i have 2 portable A100 cases dedicated to external processing,
                                                              > here
                                                              > > > is the layout
                                                              > > > case #1
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > > top A117, A148, A147, A171, A171, A132, ASo MX224, ASo MX61,
                                                              > A115
                                                              > > > bot A177, A119, A119, A129/1, A129/3, A129/3, power supply
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > > case #2
                                                              > > > top A129/5, A129/4 ASo Mx224, 2 x A121, 2 x A125, 2xASy
                                                              rs120,
                                                              > A134
                                                              > > > bot A129/3, A192, A191, A136, A136, ASy rs60, A138, power
                                                              supply
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > > i also change modules around when more of one needed than the
                                                              > other.i
                                                              > > > plan build next case to include 1 more A124, 2 A127, 2 ASy rs240
                                                              > > > frequency shifters, 2 ASy rs310, 2 A103 and 1 A174.
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > > once the Analogue Systems VC delays arrive i plan on building a
                                                              > > > special 4 row case with 168 hp per row. i hope some this helps
                                                              you
                                                              > in
                                                              > > > your quest for a vocoder.
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > > regards,
                                                              > > > RM
                                                              > > >
                                                              > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., "buechlerjoe" <buechlerjoe@t...>
                                                              wrote:
                                                              > > > > Hi RM
                                                              > > > > I have four rows of modules, so I was considering the 129/1
                                                              and
                                                              > > > 129/2
                                                              > > > > and associated modules that would fit in a single 3U row.
                                                              > > > >
                                                              > > > > So maybe 129/1, 129/2 and 3X 129/3 - 80U, there's a row.
                                                              > > > >
                                                              > > > > Or for adding vocal processing, maybe 129/1, 129/2, 129/3,
                                                              > 129/5,
                                                              > > > 117,
                                                              > > > > 146, 192 (for recording the analysis CVs.)
                                                              > > > >
                                                              > > > > Why is DNG recommended on the Doepfer web page? I already
                                                              have
                                                              > an
                                                              > > > 118,
                                                              > > > > would that be adequate for unvoiced?
                                                              > > > >
                                                              > > > > Likewise the 146? I already have 2X 145 and 147?
                                                              > > > >
                                                              > > > > Sorry I'm a bit ingnorant about vocoder stuff.
                                                              > > > >
                                                              > > > > Joe
                                                              > > > >
                                                              > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., unknown freak <ospengler@r...>
                                                              wrote:
                                                              > > > > > Joe,
                                                              > > > > >
                                                              > > > > > I'm not quite sure I'm getting the gist of your
                                                              terms "voice"
                                                              > and
                                                              > > > > > "one-row configuration", but as for the vocoder I'd say you
                                                              > could
                                                              > > > > get by
                                                              > > > > > for a lot of purposes just fine with just the analysis
                                                              section
                                                              > > > and
                                                              > > > > the
                                                              > > > > > synthesis section (A-129/1 and A-129/2). If you're
                                                              bringing
                                                              > in a
                                                              > > > > > microphone, the A-129/5 is useful. The A-129/3 takes you
                                                              into
                                                              > a
                                                              > > > > realm
                                                              > > > > > of being able to edit the voltages you're bringing into the
                                                              > > > > synthesis
                                                              > > > > > section (three 129/3s -- the ideal full complement -- turns
                                                              > the
                                                              > > > > vocoder
                                                              > > > > > into a filterbank; I've only got one), and the A-129/4 adds
                                                              > slew.
                                                              > > > > >
                                                              > > > > > For most of my uses, I'm really only using the analysis and
                                                              > > > > synthesis
                                                              > > > > > modules. That certainly won't eat up a row.
                                                              > > > > >
                                                              > > > > > But if by "one-row configuration" you mean a 3U row of
                                                              modules
                                                              > as
                                                              > > > > the
                                                              > > > > > extent of the instrument, I think the standard 3U
                                                              > configuration
                                                              > > > > offered
                                                              > > > > > by Doepfer hits the mark with module choices for
                                                              versatility,
                                                              > and
                                                              > > > > > shoehorning in the vocoder would probably not be advisable
                                                              > > > there.
                                                              > > > > If
                                                              > > > > > you just wanted a simple outboard vocoder you could
                                                              probably
                                                              > pick
                                                              > > > up
                                                              > > > > an
                                                              > > > > > Electrix WarpFactory for under $200 on eBay, and though not
                                                              > > > modular
                                                              > > > > it's
                                                              > > > > > a pretty fun and good-sounding, especially for the price.
                                                              > > > Frankly
                                                              > > > > it
                                                              > > > > > tempts me, too, for certain kinds of quick and easy
                                                              > > > > formant-capturing,
                                                              > > > > > and it's stereo.
                                                              > > > > >
                                                              > > > > >
                                                              > > > > > buechlerjoe wrote:
                                                              > > > > > >
                                                              > > > > > > Hi UF
                                                              > > > > > >
                                                              > > > > > > You've got me kind of interested. Jeez, I swore I was
                                                              happy
                                                              > > > with
                                                              > > > > my
                                                              > > > > > > A100 configuration, too :-)
                                                              > > > > > >
                                                              > > > > > > What you recommend for a Vocoder configuration as a
                                                              > supplement
                                                              > > > to
                                                              > > > > an
                                                              > > > > > > existing A100 voice? Would this allow a decent one-row
                                                              > > > > configuration?
                                                              > > > > > >
                                                              > > > > > > Joe
                                                              > > > > > >
                                                              > > > > > > P.S. As far as EVERYONE's knowledge here in the group, I
                                                              > think
                                                              > > > > > > that's what's unquestionable. I'm constantly amazed at the
                                                              > > > range
                                                              > > > > of
                                                              > > > > > > useful information shared by everyone here.
                                                              > > > > > >
                                                              > > > > > > --- In Doepfer_a100@y..., unknown freak <ospengler@r...>
                                                              > wrote:
                                                              > > > > > > > Hey Pig,
                                                              > > > > > > >
                                                              > > > > > > > I don't mind your having a wallow. Yes, I've got the
                                                              > > > vocoder,
                                                              > > > > and I
                                                              > > > > > > use
                                                              > > > > > > > and like it a lot, also never vocally controlled. My
                                                              most
                                                              > > > > typical
                                                              > > > > > > use
                                                              > > > > > > > actually involves controlling it with a sine wave from a
                                                              > > > > sequenced
                                                              > > > > > > or
                                                              > > > > > > > LFO'd or etc. VCO or resonating filter to pick out
                                                              > individual
                                                              > > > > bands.
                                                              > > > > > > > Vocoders have a ton of uses. My comment that the patch
                                                              > Peter
                                                              > > > > > > described
                                                              > > > > > > > could be done with the vocoder was prime facie true --
                                                              > what's
                                                              > > > a
                                                              > > > > > > vocoder
                                                              > > > > > > > after all but a fixed filterbank in which each band has
                                                              > its
                                                              > > > own
                                                              > > > > VCA.
                                                              > > > > > > > The difference is that the vocoder has one unity output
                                                              > for
                                                              > > > all
                                                              > > > > the
                                                              > > > > > > > bands, but as I said, for lots of uses that wouldn't
                                                              > really
                                                              > > > > matter.
                                                              > > > > > > > There must be patches for which it *would* matter to
                                                              have
                                                              > > > > individual
                                                              > > > > > > > band outputs for separate processing, but for simple
                                                              > VCAing
                                                              > > > of
                                                              > > > > bands
                                                              > > > > > > > where they'd be going to the same destination, the
                                                              vocoder
                                                              > > > does
                                                              > > > > the
                                                              > > > > > > > job. That doesn't mean there shouldn't be an
                                                              individual
                                                              > band
                                                              > > > > output
                                                              > > > > > > > helper module for the fixed filter bank, just that the
                                                              > > > > particular
                                                              > > > > > > > example sounded like one that could be done without one.
                                                              > > > > > > >
                                                              > > > > > > >
                                                              > > > > > > > As for as Peter's knowledge, it's unquestionable.
                                                              > > > > > >
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