Fw: [Distillers] Giles help
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From: darryn <darryn@...>
To: Giles <giles@...>
Date: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [Distillers] Giles help
>Thanks for your help Gilesmaking
>I posted this letter earlier but I think that it may not have reached
>you.How many mls per minute do you draw off of your still ?
>I noticed in one of your earlier postings that you were interested in
>scotch using malt extract and a pot still.Have you tried ita
>yet ? If yes,how did you go.If you haven't already read it you should have
>look back at message number 37,Brian gives a quick
>run down on how to do it.
>Hope to talk again soon.
>From: Giles <giles@...>
>To: darryn <darryn@...>
>Date: Friday, May 05, 2000 4:48 AM
>Subject: Re: [Distillers] Giles help
>On 7 Mar 00, at 8:54, darryn wrote:
>> Could you please let me know what changes you made
>> to your STILLMAKER and your experiences with Mike and Johns still
>> design.Once again,it's great to see Aussies talking on this newsgroup.
>> Thanks in advance. Darryn.
>I was dreading doing the conversion but it didnt turn out too bad in
>First i removed the condenser completely and desoldered the
>coolng pipes which go through the column.
>How to block up the holes i took so much trouble to make and
>I cut two strips of sheet copper culled from an old copper tank
>about 20 mm wider than the holes, cleaned and fluxed them and
>the column then wrapped them round the column covering the
>holes and trimmed them so that they butted together where they
>Then, and this is important, i secured the copper 'bandages with
>steel wire twisted together to clamp the copper to the column. I
>wired both edges. Then i soldered them on and removed the wire
>which being steel didn't stick to the solder. The having dionet this
>with both sets of holes i tested for soundness with water.
>Dont worry if it looks ugly because you need to insulate the column
>which firther cuts down the tubulence in the column and saves fuel.
>I am now convinced Its a mistake not to do this.
>For the condenser, i dont see whhy you cant turn your old
>condenser through 90 degrees so instead of the outlet pointing
>down it points up.
>I made a new condenser with a piece of 28 mm pipe which
>enclosed a coil of about 3 m of copper brake pipe. Its a fibble but
>can be done. It is more efficient than the sleeve type and certainly
>uses less water.
>All that remains is to put a teepiece between the condenser and
>the column with a valve on it to remove the distillate. I couldnt find a
>needle valve as suggested by Mike Nixon so i just used a 15 mm
>If you follow all this, you should have the same layout as in the
>book. Looks a bit like a cowboy film cactus.
>The beauty of this design is that wen the valve is closed you have
>total reflux something i never acheived with the other design.
>I know the still is open to the atmosphere atr the top but you wont
>lose any vapour out of it as long as your cooling keeps ahead of
>the heat input. If you use the brake pipe condenser Just put your
>hand on the outside of the condenser and see. Mine is stone cold
>after about 2/3 of the way up.
>Now. How long to leave the rig in total reflux. Like you i am
>unwilling to let it go for 4 hours before i get anything. I
>compromised and left the still cook for 1-11/2 hours before taking
>the distillate off very slowly.
>Teh temperature at the head should tell you when the heads are
>ready to come off.
>I used to have probs telling when the heads were finished before
>but not so now. That stabilising period is excellent for separating
>the methanol. I got about 100ml of pure stinking meths, about 20
>ml of mixed then i was into the good stuff.
>I think that if you keep the heat down and dont tale too much
>ethanol off you can safely leave the still for at least 4 or 5 hours
>before theres any danger of tails.
>I reckon a batch of 10l of pre stripped wash at about 40-50% takes
>me about 8 hours to process from start to finish. The stuff is good
>and i dont really need to filter it though it does go through a
>waterfilter once its diluted.
>i think if you followed Nixon and Stone's advice to the letter, you
>wouldn't need to filter at all. May be ill learn to be more patient one
>day but i doubt it.
>Hopre this helps. Ask more questions if you wish