Re: [Distillers] Flash Distillation
- Hi Robert,As a small hobby distiller I certainly am interested in your flash distillation. It certainly would not make me change my distilling habits at the moment.I always have an open mind to people that experiment to improve anything and everything. If your experiment doesn't work out, you have learned something, kept your brain active and lost sweet buggar all. The small amount of money you mentioned is of no importance at all.I just hope that you will let us know how it all worked out, good or bad.Good Luck My friend.Jan.Brisbane. OZFrom: RLB <last2blast@...>
To: "Distillers@yahoogroups.com" <Distillers@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sunday, 10 March 2013 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Distillers] Flash Distillation
Actually, there are many forms of flash distillation and ways of doing flash distillation (pot still like or reflex) First and foremost is that it can be used to strip wash very quickly as in 1 gal per min. All you need is a Stainless Steel barrel with drain, outlet pipe (for vapor), heat source, compressor, pipe to hold nozzle in center of drum , and a spray nozzle. Heat drum to 204 F (In my area my area boiling is 206 F) As long as I keep interior of drum 204 F and drained of water, Ethanol will turn to gas before the water hits the bottom of the barrel. Yes, some water will turn into gas too but this is a stripping run. Compressed air should help to force vapor out the top and water out of the bottom of barrel, and compressed air should also provide an inversion layer that keeps lighter ethanol vapor going up and heavier water droplets fall to the bottom to drain. If you are just after high proof ethanol then set it up like a reflex flash still. From what I have read so far, the process is simple even for someone with my experience. If I were to set up several barrels in series (with different temperatures), there is a good chance that cuts can be made without too much of a problem. Temperature setting will be the most difficult to determine. As for your engineer friend, my bet is that he set it up as a pot flash still, but expected reflux results. 65% abv is almost what I (55% to 65% abv) achieve from my pot still during a stripping runs. The science for alcohol flash distillation is well established, but I have not heard of anyone actually using it for ethanol. This is totally amazing to me. RobertFrom: "self.adhesive@..." <self.adhesive@...>
Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2013 8:10 PM
Subject: Re: [Distillers] Flash Distillation
A guy I know here, who has been stilling for 10 years and is an engineer, built a continuous fermenter and distiller as one unit. It produced so much 65% alcohol - 6.5 litres a day he said - that he had to turn it off and he went back to the old ways.
Flash evaporation is nothing new, but if you read up on refluxing at homedistiller.org you will find putting it into practise with ethanol will be pretty tricky. In refluxing the ethanol is evaporated and condensed over and over as it rises up the column, each time evaporating off in a purer and purer form. Flash evaporators as far as I am aware do it just the once. The graph that ZB refers to often pertains here. Of course you could feed the distillate through again and again, but that's what happens in refluxing anyway. It would probably work satisfactorily with pot stilling.
To be quite honest Robert, I think at your level of expertise, experience and understanding making a miracle breakthrough will be pure serendipity. Kind of like winning a lottery...simply luck and it doesn't happen very often at all.
--- On Sun, 10/3/13, last2blast <last2blast@yahoo..com> wrote:
From: last2blast <last2blast@...>
Subject: [Distillers] Flash Distillation
Date: Sunday, 10, March, 2013, 10:45 AMIf I had known about Flash Distillation months ago, I would have my still built for me rather than wasting these many months on current stone age home distilling technology and techniques. Flash Distillation has been around for more than 100 years, and no one mentioned it in my reading, homedistiller.org, Artisans, new distillers, or distillers. It does raise a few interesting questions as to why the experts are still using this old technology. I guess it was a good that my idea was researched even further..
- I just wanted to tell someone since I dropped the flash distillation subject on Distillers.
I figured out how to use it for stripping, and how to use it for making cuts. It will cost around $1,000 to build though. Now the subject is officially dead for me.
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Sent: Monday, March 11, 2013 9:40 PM
Subject: [Distillers] Re: Flash Distillation
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Harassment is the issue. Harping on unfounded and untested notions is the issue.You've had more than a fair hearing in BOTH groups. Now it's time for you to "put up, or shut up". When you are ready with the results, post 'em. Mods will see if you're contributing to the distilling topic, or just continuing to blow steam. Your post will be dealt with on that score.Footnote:Part of The Charter for this group states..."It is a 'given' that you are familiar with basic distilling."I strongly urge you to get educated re Distillation before you continue. Else you're gonna do yourself a mischief.
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