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Re: [Distillers] Fermentation

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  • RLB
    I duplicated my 11/29/12 garlic experiment on 12/30/12 to the letter, but I did not re-pitch my either sample.  As of 01/11/13, my garlic sample has totally
    Message 1 of 18 , Jan 11, 2013
      I duplicated my 11/29/12 garlic experiment on 12/30/12 to the letter, but I did not re-pitch my either sample.  As of 01/11/13, my garlic sample has totally stalled, and my control sample is still fermenting strongly.  This leads me to believe that the re-pitch had something to do with it fermenting for so long.

      I also stopped using baker's yeast, and started using EC-1118 yeast.  I am attempting to raise EC-1118 yeast in a 2 qt soda bottle using the same ingredients as my wash.  Wow!  What a difference between the two types of yeasts.  A cup of my yeast solution was poured into each of my 3 newest samples and they started fermenting within minutes.  Right now those 3 samples are fermenting so strongly that I can smell the alcohol, similar to my last few freeze distilled washes.  EC-1118 is alcohol tolerant up to 16% abv, so it will be interesting to see how will those 3 new samples will turn out.  My 2.5 gallon still should arrive on Monday, so my experiments will soon become full cycle.


      From: Fredrick Lee <fredrick@...>
      To: "Distillers@yahoogroups.com" <Distillers@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2013 10:55 AM
      Subject: Re: [Distillers] Fermentation

      Garlic probably helped lower the miscibility of the alcohol. Maybe you could build a giant centrifuge and not have to use a freezer or still at all. 

      Try this: take your wash and swing it around on a rope for a few hours before freezing. I bet not more than six hours will do the job. 

      On Jan 5, 2013, at 4:19 AM, RLB <last2blast@...> wrote:

      Observation of my 11/29/12 sample:

      I finally got tired of waiting for it to stop fermenting, so freeze distillation was started.  As before, it was divided into 2 - 2 qt bottles.  Extra care was used to make sure yeast would not be steered up in the wash as it was transferred.  The first 2 qt bottle will not freeze properly, and very little ice crystals have formed in 6 hrs.  The second bottle has a large amount of ice formation by comparison to the first. 

      This leads me to believe that water and alcohol does separate somewhat like water and oil.  If this proves to be the case, it might be possible to make striping cuts without heat or freezing.  This will need to be investigated further to learn if there is any practical application in allowing the different chemicals to separate.  Will it separate the same way in a large vat?

      I am pleased to say that my small test pot still will arrive within 2 weeks, and my tests will move into the normal realm of spirit production with quality brewing yeast, sugar, and grain.


      From: Fredrick Lee <fredrick@...>
      To: "Distillers@yahoogroups.com" <Distillers@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Friday, January 4, 2013 5:13 PM
      Subject: Re: [Distillers] Fermentation

      Based on how you describe your sanitation methods, I would suspect you're correct that its something other than yeast fermenting that sugar. 

      I bet if you get on the "New Distillers" mailing list, your science experiments will be met with greater enthusiasm. Many people on this list are more concerned with the technical details of "traditional" fermentation and distillation. Not that you're not being technical, but your methods are out of the normal for most distillers and not exactly proven; doesn't mean you should stop brewing, just saying most of us are fermenting with grain and sterile equipment and are too stubborn to risk any other methods. 


      On Jan 4, 2013, at 3:20 PM, "last2blast" <last2blast@...> wrote:

      At what point does alcohol producing fermentation stop?

      My samples 11/29/12 and 12/02/12 are still bubbling, and my concern is that its fermentation like very fine bubbles are something other than alcohol producing fermentation. Yes, one sample had garlic added to it but other samples had no garlic. Other garlic and non garlic samples have normally stalled after two weeks, but these 2 samples are still producing very fine bubbles.


    • ballard_bootlegger
      Ha! I wish I could eat sugar and shit whisky.
      Message 2 of 18 , Jan 23, 2013
        Ha! I wish I could eat sugar and shit whisky.

        --- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, "Ackland, Tony (CALNZAS)" wrote:
        > I couldn't not pass this on ...
        > posted by Mark Tumarkin to
        > the Homebrew Digest ...
        > "Beer yeast, when dispersed in water, breaks down into
        > an infinite number of small spheres. If these spheres are
        > transferred to an aqueous solution of sugar they develop into small
        > animals. They
        > are endowed with a sort of suction trunk with which they gulp up the
        > sugar from the solution. Digestion is immediately and clearly
        > recognizable because of the discharge if excrements. These animals
        > evacuate
        > ethyl alcohol from their bowels and carbon dioxide from their urinary
        > organs. Thus one can observe how a specifically lighter fluid is exuded
        > from the anus and rises vertically whereas a stream of carbon dioxide is
        > ejected at very short intervals from their enormously large genitals."
        > by Fredrich Woehier and Justus Von Liebig
        > Published in the annals of Chemistry Volume 29, 1839
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