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Re: [Distillers] Re: Two admitted to hospital for alcohol a minute

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  • Jeff Stewart
    I have often struggled with the question   does alcohol make you violent .   I have seen good people turn into jerks when they dink, and other come out of
    Message 1 of 8 , Sep 3 10:59 AM
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      I have often struggled with the question  'does alcohol make you violent'.   I have seen good people turn into jerks when they dink, and other come out of their shell and become social. Alcohol lowered your inhibitions and if your self control  stops angry people from fighting normally it won't be there when you drink.  People also use alcohol as an excuse or an opportunity to don a different persona. " I would not have slept with him but I was drunk" or "He only beats me when he drinks"  is a poor excuse the first time but becomes a escape goat for continuing the behavior.  The people that use alcohol as an excuse  will always find a way to not take reasonably.  I have sent to many hour hearing the same arguments from socialist about how nothing is their fault,the government should control and regulate everything and they want welfare to ensure that the we have "safety nets" to protect us from consequences.  

      Most rational  people do not believe that alcohol is good for you. Half a glass of red wine has a point but that a long way from the destructive behavior of hard core drinkers.  People use  alcohol to short circuiting their systems to achieve a buzz or a high.   Some people can handle impairment other do not. If we were to waste time putting a label on booze, smokes, extreme sports and/or fast food I would have it read "You can kill you self if your dumb, we won't stop you".  We should however stop making excuses for people that put other people in danger, regardless if it's a bar room fights, having ambulances called to a party for poisonings  or driving drunk.

      --- On Fri, 9/3/10, waljaco <waljaco@...> wrote:

      From: waljaco <waljaco@...>
      Subject: [Distillers] Re: Two admitted to hospital for alcohol a minute
      To: Distillers@yahoogroups.com
      Date: Friday, September 3, 2010, 1:33 AM

       
      If it was a poison it would contain this description on the label. The cure for methanol poising is actually alcohol (ethanol)! People have died from excessive water consumption.
      But does alcohol make people violent is the question.
      wal

      --- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Stewart <StewartDBA@...> wrote:
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      > I hate to be point out to people that alcohol is a poison.   If your binge drinking or indulge in other  reckless drinking eventually you will OD.  What annoys me is that they push socialized medic down our throats and then complain about keep every idiot alive...
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      > --- On Wed, 9/1/10, abbababbaccc <abbababbaccc@...> wrote:
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      > From: abbababbaccc <abbababbaccc@...>
      > Subject: [Distillers] Re: Two admitted to hospital for alcohol a minute
      > To: Distillers@yahoogroups.com
      > Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 5:11 AM
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      > Oh yes, raise the price and no-one will be drunk anymore. It's allready cheaper to get drugs than alcohol in many places, perhaps someone in the government thinks that being high is better than being drunk :(
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      > Slainte, Riku
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      > --- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, Walter Jacobson <waljaco@> wrote:
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      > > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/7973443/Two-admitted-to-hospital-for-alcohol-a-minute.html
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      > > (Note the emphasis on "real cost of alcohol"!)
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    • Geoff Stewart
      ... SNIP Hi, Jeff and folks, This brought to mind the classic stages of inebriation; jocose, verbose, bellicose, lachrymose, comatose ; which goes a long way
      Message 2 of 8 , Sep 14 12:04 AM
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        --- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, Jeff Stewart <StewartDBA@...> wrote:
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        > I have often struggled with the question 'does alcohol make you violent'.  I have seen good people turn into jerks when they drink, and other come out of their shell and become social.

        SNIP

        Hi, Jeff and folks,

        This brought to mind the classic stages of inebriation;

        'jocose, verbose, bellicose, lachrymose, comatose';

        which goes a long way towards explaining your mystery.

        It largely depends on how affected you are by alcohol (and of course some people will drink more than others and their tolerance will vary too...)

        As you get drunker your behaviour tends to alter, from friendly and jokey, to over-talkative, to wanting to fight, to teary, to being in a coma and at serious risk of death.

        (When my daughter who was training to be a nurse was at a night-time football function she found a young man pretty much comatose and lying on the cold ground where his 'friends' had left him.
        She immediately brought him home and put him in a bath of warm water, which undoubtedly saved his life.)

        Regards,

        The Baker

        PS I always love to see your name, as you could guess from my e-mail address!
      • Steve Spence
        I usually go from jocose straight to sleepytose. Steve Spence Renewable energy and self sufficiency http://www.green-trust.org
        Message 3 of 8 , Sep 14 4:05 PM
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          I usually go from jocose straight to sleepytose.

          Steve Spence
          Renewable energy and self sufficiency
          http://www.green-trust.org
          http://arduinotronics.blogspot.com/



          On 09/14/2010 03:04 AM, Geoff Stewart wrote:
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          >
          >
          > --- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Distillers%40yahoogroups.com>,
          > Jeff Stewart <StewartDBA@...> wrote:
          >>
          >> I have often struggled with the question 'does alcohol make you
          > violent'. I have seen good people turn into jerks when they drink, and
          > other come out of their shell and become social.
          >
          > SNIP
          >
          > Hi, Jeff and folks,
          >
          > This brought to mind the classic stages of inebriation;
          >
          > 'jocose, verbose, bellicose, lachrymose, comatose';
          >
          > which goes a long way towards explaining your mystery.
          >
          > It largely depends on how affected you are by alcohol (and of course
          > some people will drink more than others and their tolerance will vary
          > too...)
          >
          > As you get drunker your behaviour tends to alter, from friendly and
          > jokey, to over-talkative, to wanting to fight, to teary, to being in a
          > coma and at serious risk of death.
          >
          > (When my daughter who was training to be a nurse was at a night-time
          > football function she found a young man pretty much comatose and lying
          > on the cold ground where his 'friends' had left him.
          > She immediately brought him home and put him in a bath of warm water,
          > which undoubtedly saved his life.)
          >
          > Regards,
          >
          > The Baker
          >
          > PS I always love to see your name, as you could guess from my e-mail
          > address!
          >
          >
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