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Re: Forget everything you thought you knew about aging

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  • rhodeseng
    I put a couple quarts with charred oak in the console of my truck a couple weeks ago to give to somebody. but the riding and jostling around made a significant
    Message 1 of 22 , Feb 26, 2008
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      I put a couple quarts with charred oak in the console of my truck a
      couple weeks ago to give to somebody.

      but the riding and jostling around made a significant difference it
      the color.




      --- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, "Sherman" <pintoshine@...> wrote:
      >
      > Honestly, I believe the only physical process involved in aging,
      which
      > includes mellowing from the charcoal and flavor enhancement from
      the
      > wood, is diffusion and its relative osmosis which is just selective
      > diffusion.
      > Of course, that is one of the most complicated material and
      chemical
      > properties to describe because each compound has a finite rate of
      > diffusion given by the temperature, compound molecular size,
      barrier
      > material, and solvent used. There are so many variables involved in
      > this diffusion characteristic that I could understand the voodoo
      and
      > misconceptions.
      > But really, ultrasound?, microwave? magnetic forces working on a
      > mostly diamagnetic material?
      >
      > Here is an analog for a simple experiment to illustrate the point
      I am
      > trying to make. Get some really cheap food coloring out of the
      > cabinet. Wet a coffee filter and lay it flat out on a plate and
      remove
      > standing or excess water from the filter with a paper towel.
      > Put a single drop of food coloring in the center of the filter and
      > watch it diffuse outward through the paper filter. Aging in a
      barrel
      > is as simple as that but differs in that there are so many
      > unquantifiable compounds in the charred wood and the alcohol that
      the
      > rate of diffusion for all combined is hard to put into discreet
      terms.
      > I even believe shaking is unnecessary because the characteristics
      of
      > diffusion will eventually make all parts equal anyway.
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > --- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, "jamesonbeam1" <jamesonbeam1@>
      > wrote:
      > >
      > > Actually Marc,
      > >
      > > I had an almost similar idea, but was going to use a turntable
      > > (remember those things that you put large round plastic disks on
      with
      > > a tone arm and needle to hear music?) with some bars to prevent
      the
      > > bottles from rolling off.
      > >
      > > Till found out we just threw the last on away months ago
      (sigh). So
      > > now I just keep my 4 liter aging jar by the compter desk, and
      when
      > > bord or awaiting a download, just shake it now and then...
      > > Good exercise too lol.
      > >
      > > Vino es Veritas,
      > > Jim.
      > >
      > > --- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, "mavnkaf" <mavnkaf@> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > Hi Jim,
      > > >
      > > > My contraption sort of works! the bottles coloures up very
      quickly,
      > > >
      > > > (corn flake and other grain, non boil wash)
      > > >
      > > > , but I didn't think the harsh nuture of the new spirit was
      > > effected
      > > > untill I tested it just recently, my Basic cuts of 80%- 60%,
      two
      > > and
      > > > abit months later and it's ok. I think time was a big help
      here,
      > > I
      > > > did open the bottles and aired them when I could.
      > > >
      > > > Did it work? who knows, I don't, I'm the only one testing it:(
      > > >
      > > > Cheers
      > > > Marc
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > --- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, "jamesonbeam1"
      <jamesonbeam1@>
      > > > wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > Hey Marc,
      > > > >
      > > > > Very interesting contraption. Im sure in theory and
      practice, it
      > > > > does speed up aging by moving the chips around.
      > > > >
      > > > > But getting back to reality (i know, its so boring),
      applying any
      > > > > type of electronic stimuli to the aging process, be it
      rotation,
      > > > > magnetic devices, force fields, ultrasound, etc. would be
      > > > prohibitive
      > > > > in the real world.
      > > > >
      > > > > Think about all the electricity expenses those poor
      distillers,
      > > > that
      > > > > do this for a living, would have to spend, to provide us
      with
      > > > > millions of gallons of great booze each year.
      > > > >
      > > > > Why do you think whiskeys etc, are aged in big 53 gallon oak
      > > > barrels
      > > > > in huge outdoors, aging houses, exposed to the seasonal and
      the
      > > > > daily/nightly temperature cycles.
      > > > >
      > > > > What would you think the cost would be of rotating just 1 -
      53
      > > > gallon
      > > > > barrel (that weighs 540 lbs. full) would be per year, much
      less
      > > > > thousands of them per year :):). Its tough enough for them
      to
      > > > rotate
      > > > > those barrels from the top to bottom racks every year or so.
      > > > >
      > > > > And to think Mother Nature was kind enough to give us all
      this
      > > for
      > > > > free... Otherwise the cost of aged whiskeys, etc. would be
      in
      > > the
      > > > > hundreds of dollars per bottle (for the cheap stuff lol)...
      > > > >
      > > > > But if we could incorporate the Chen-Xu Method which can get
      2.85
      > > > > gallons of ethanol out of a bushel of corn in 4 hours plus
      make
      > > > > edible plastic bottles to boot (see new distillers Message
      #26515
      > > > > topic), then put a magnetic force field around the aging
      casks to
      > > > > reduce aging time to minutes (faster under pyramid of
      course) -
      > > > might
      > > > > have the potential to bankrupt every American corn whiskey
      maker
      > > > > around and take the market over... Any Takers ????
      > > > >
      > > > > Vino es Veritas,
      > > > > Jim
      > > > >
      > > >
      > >
      >
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