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  • John Wisbey
    Is there any good reason to use this type of language? Its bad enought coming out of my TV. Can we please moderate it a bit? Ta. John Wisbey ... From: sonum
    Message 1 of 34 , Oct 9, 2007
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      Is there any good reason to use this type of language? Its bad enought coming out of my TV. Can we please moderate it a bit?
      Ta.
      John Wisbey
      ----- Original Message -----
      Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 9:21 AM
      Subject: Re: [Distillers] Re: proof hydrometer accuracy

      Why in the name of christ are you so hung up on calibrating your fucking hydrometer?? ????? Just make some booze and for christ sake. Let your nose and taste be your guide. It's just that easy!!!!

      I've never calibrated a hydrometer. It isn't necessary. How many times do you have to be told that it just isn't an issue.

      Perhaps you can find a forum that will tell you how to calibrate a hydrometer?? ? We can only help you to make booze, if only you will listen!!!!!! !!!
      blanik

      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: Lloyd <1@...>
      > To: Distillers@yahoogro ups.com
      > Subject: Re: [Distillers] Re: proof hydrometer accuracy
      > Date: Tue, 9 Oct:44:18 -0500
      >
      >
      > OK, I catch the drift. Use vodka because it is hydrometrically
      > cleaner and thus more accurate? So do I trust the first or second
      > bottle of vodka that I buy as being a true 'known' ABV, or is it
      > the forth bottle? Perhaps I should buy several bottles of vodka and
      > several hydrometers and find the one that 'averages'. The obvious
      > solution is to throw my hydrometer, and all hygrometers, into the
      > trash and wave a chicken bone or a 440 cycle per second fiddle
      > counter clockwise over my product as the dead pigeon and bubble
      > watching has proved ineffectual. I know, like everyone here, that
      > you can make excellent whiskey with NO gauges of ANY sort at ALL.
      > It was done successfully for many centuries. But this is the
      > 'cutting edge', it says so on the start page of this forum. So I
      > ask you how does one, not talking about myself of course as I have
      > a very good chicken bone, calibrate a hydrometer? Can I possibly
      > make the question any simpler? Can one trust the ABV that is stated
      > on the label of a name brand whiskey as gospel? Am I the only one
      > who has checked his hydrometer against store-bought stuff and
      > wondered what is going on? If so, shame on you cutting edge people
      > and hook me up with One Tooth Billy Bob who can surely answer my
      > question. And if you really don't know how to calibrate a
      > hydrometer please don't respond.
      >
      > Lloyd
      >
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: Ian Kent
      > To: Distillers@yahoogro ups.com
      > Sent: Tuesday, October 09,:51 AM
      > Subject: Re: [Distillers] Re: proof hydrometer accuracy
      >
      >
      > Try using vodka or methylated spirits as a reference.
      >
      >
      >

      >

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    • sonum norbu
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      Message 34 of 34 , Oct 11, 2007
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        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: "!Zapata Vive!" <zapatavive@...>
        > To: Distillers@yahoogroups.com
        > Subject: Re: [Distillers] Re: proof hydrometer accuracy
        > Date: Wed, 10 Oct:56:49 -0400
        >
        >
        > blanik, I have to disagree, respectfully. You, and a few others
        > can tell him that it doesn't matter all you want. But if I was
        > wondering the same thing, and interested in the helpful comments
        > given by some, then you can bet that others were too. YOU can
        > play the artist at the still, and WE can play the scientist.
        > That's S-C-I-E-N-T-I-S-T, not S-H-O-V-E-L.
        >
        > But getting back to the subject at hand, rather than talking about
        > the talking about....
        >
        > Personally I would trust US made spirits. Keep in mind that they
        > typically list a proof based on an ABV%, and NOT a sp. gravity. A
        > hydrometer measures specific gravity, which can be affected by
        > every component in the liquid from ethanol and water to feints and
        > even oak chemicals. So you shouldn't expect a complex mixture to
        > have a specific gravity that you think it should.
        >
        > Now, all that being said, I was in the same position once, and
        > measured the specific gravity of 3 different brands of vodka
        > (papov, grey goose, aristocrat). My hydrometer was off too, but
        > it was equally off on all of them (at least as close as I can read
        > the thing, I know full well I guess at the last number I try to
        > record, but sometimes I think I can read it to .5 and sometimes I
        > only trust my focus to 2's!). This makes me think that they were
        > all really the stated 40%, and it was my hydrometer that was off.
        >
        > If you want to know the curve of your hydrometer, I would suggest
        > plotting it with water, 80 proof vodka, 120 proof vodka (110,
        > whatever you can get), and ever-clear. I personally didn't go
        > through that much trouble, in fact I didn't think of there being a
        > curve, I just figured mine was off a set number. I would not
        > suggest you drink each sample before moving onto the next one, or
        > your accuracy is bound to suffer.
        >
        > Some of us are interested, please keep us updated with what you do.
        >
        > / goes to measure the specific gravity of a scotch after the ice
        > has half melted
        >
        > On Oct 9, 2007, at 7:06 PM, sonum norbu wrote:
        >
        > > Agreed Bryon. I make no apology for 'tarnishing' my reputation
        > > for becoming a bit toey about a person who just will not listen.
        > > My reputation as a distiller, who attempts to help a newbie is
        > > untarnished, nor is my reputation as a hobby distiller.
        > >
        > > In Australia, we call a spade a spade, but when someone refuses
        > > to listen and attempts to get us to tell him/her how to graduate
        > > a device that is unable to be graduated, and when it isn't even
        > > necessary, we call a spade a shovel. That's what I did, and is
        > > quite socially acceptable here.
        > >
        > > If s/he wanted a hydrometer that is accurate to the n'th degree -
        > > after being told many times that it just isn't necessary - the
        > > answer is simple, pay the money for such device and leave it at
        > > that. But to persist in the matter and accuse us of using
        > > witchcraft and trying to re-define 'cutting edge' to suit his/her
        > > definition, in my opinion SUX!! She/he is attempting to insult
        > > all serious hobby distillers in this group and attempts to put
        > > him/her self above all others. So be it.
        > >
        > > I shan't respond to this type of troll in the future and will
        > > concentrate my efforts on serious newbies.
        > >
        > > Finally, I still say that this level of distilling is an ART to
        > > be learned with experience and to try make a 'superior' product
        > > by worrying about a couple of points on a hydrometer, when we
        > > have all been given the sense of taste and smell simply amazes
        > > me, but there are many different people in the world with many
        > > different ego's to satisfy. Mine is to make fine booze. I have
        > > achieved that. IMHO.
        > >
        > > blanik :)))
        > >
        > > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > > From: bbornais <bbornais@...>
        > > > To: Distillers@yahoogroups.com
        > > > Subject: [Distillers] Re: proof hydrometer accuracy
        > > > Date: Tue, 09 Oct:59:40 -0000
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > The people who participate here make thier own reputations, John.
        > > > There is no need to wag your finger at them. You will note that the
        > > > most respectable people choose not to involve themselves at all with
        > > > this type of thing. I offer my apologies on thier behalf, and will
        > > > speak no more of it.
        > > >
        > > > Bryan.
        > > >
        > > >
        > > > --- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, "John Wisbey" <johnwisbey@...>
        > > > wrote:
        > > > >
        > > > > No excuse to use socially unacceptable language. Er, it may be
        > > > illegal where you are, still no excuse.
        > > > > John Wisbey
        > > > >
        > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: joe giffen To:
        > > > > Distillers@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 9:57
        > > > > AM
        > > > > Subject: Re: [Distillers] Re: proof hydrometer accuracy
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > Hard to understand you delicate sensibilites whilst envolved in
        > > > an illegal enterprise.
        > > > >
        > > > > John Wisbey <johnwisbey@...> wrote: Is there any good
        > > > > reason to use this type of language? Its bad
        > > > enought coming out of my TV. Can we please moderate it a bit?
        > > > > Ta.
        > > > > John Wisbey
        > > > >
        > > > > ----- Original Message ----- From: sonum norbu
        > > > > To: Distillers@yahoogro< WBR>ups.com Sent: Tuesday, October
        > > > > 09, 2007 9:21 AM
        > > > > Subject: Re: [Distillers] Re: proof hydrometer accuracy
        > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > Why in the name of christ are you so hung up on calibrating
        > > > your fucking hydrometer??????? Just make some booze and for christ
        > > > sake. Let your nose and taste be your guide. It's just that easy!!!!
        > > > >
        > > > > I've never calibrated a hydrometer. It isn't necessary. How
        > > > many times do you have to be told that it just isn't an issue.
        > > > >
        > > > > Perhaps you can find a forum that will tell you how to
        > > > calibrate a hydrometer??? We can only help you to make booze, if only
        > > > you will listen!!!!!!!!!
        > > > > blanik
        > > > >
        > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > > > > From: Lloyd <1@...>
        > > > > > To: Distillers@yahoogroups.com
        > > > > > Subject: Re: [Distillers] Re: proof hydrometer accuracy
        > > > > > Date: Tue, 9 Oct:44:18 -0500
        > > > > > > > OK, I catch the drift. Use vodka because it is
        > > > hydrometrically
        > > > > > cleaner and thus more accurate? So do I trust the first or
        > > > second
        > > > > > bottle of vodka that I buy as being a true 'known' ABV, or
        > > > is it
        > > > > > the forth bottle? Perhaps I should buy several bottles of
        > > > vodka and
        > > > > > several hydrometers and find the one that 'averages'. The
        > > > obvious
        > > > > > solution is to throw my hydrometer, and all hygrometers,
        > > > into the
        > > > > > trash and wave a chicken bone or a 440 cycle per second
        > > > fiddle
        > > > > > counter clockwise over my product as the dead pigeon and
        > > > bubble
        > > > > > watching has proved ineffectual. I know, like everyone
        > > > here, that
        > > > > > you can make excellent whiskey with NO gauges of ANY sort
        > > > at ALL.
        > > > > > It was done successfully for many centuries. But this is
        > > > the
        > > > > > 'cutting edge', it says so on the start page of this forum.
        > > > So I
        > > > > > ask you how does one, not talking about myself of course as
        > > > I have
        > > > > > a very good chicken bone, calibrate a hydrometer? Can I
        > > > possibly
        > > > > > make the question any simpler? Can one trust the ABV that
        > > > is stated
        > > > > > on the label of a name brand whiskey as gospel? Am I the
        > > > only one
        > > > > > who has checked his hydrometer against store-bought stuff
        > > > and
        > > > > > wondered what is going on? If so, shame on you cutting edge
        > > > people
        > > > > > and hook me up with One Tooth Billy Bob who can surely
        > > > answer my
        > > > > > question. And if you really don't know how to calibrate a
        > > > > > hydrometer please don't respond.
        > > > > > > Lloyd
        > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > > > > From: Ian Kent
        > > > > > To: Distillers@yahoogroups.com
        > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 09,:51 AM
        > > > > > Subject: Re: [Distillers] Re: proof hydrometer accuracy
        > > > > > > > Try using vodka or methylated spirits as a reference.
        > > > > > > > >
        > > > >
        > > > > "Most of the troubles of the world are caused by human
        > > > beings". (Shakyamuni Buddha)
        > > > >
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        > > > > Regards
        > > > > Joe
        > > > >
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