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  • Des
    When it comes to extracting oils etc from botanicals it seems that the quantity extracted has no resemblence to the amount of raw material. I appreciate the
    Message 1 of 5 , Oct 2, 1999
      When it comes to extracting oils etc from botanicals it seems that the
      quantity extracted has no resemblence to the amount of raw material. I
      appreciate the want (and sometimes need) to have natural products as being
      one reason, also the other being the need to indulge in the distilling
      'hobby' to its next step.
      I understand that the best type of still for this purpose is a pot still,
      would appreciate other advise on this though. I suspect that a reflux
      still may be too efficient (?) for this task.


      With flavouring essences it is necessary to add artificial ingredients to
      improve the intensity of the flavour.

      Also, how does the flavour of Bombay Sapphire differ from say London Dry?
      It is something I have considered working on for a while now.

      Regards

      Des
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    • Ray Toms
      Mike Sorry for the delay in reply, I was up in your neck of the woods for the weekend at the Christmas Gift Fair. I believe that the boiling point of the oils
      Message 2 of 5 , Oct 3, 1999
        Mike
        Sorry for the delay in reply, I was up in your neck of the woods for the
        weekend at the Christmas Gift Fair. I believe that the boiling point of
        the oils is about the same as water as many of them seem to be carried
        over when the water is carried over. There is no copywrite on the Bombay
        Saphire although bear it in mind that this is still an experimental
        recipe:
        The ingredients listed on the bottle are:
        Juniper Berries
        Corriander Seeds
        Cassia Bark aka Chinese Cinamon
        Cubeb Berries aka Tailed Pepper
        Grains of Paradise aka Paprika
        Almonds
        Lemon Peel
        Liquorice root
        Orris root
        Angelica root
        Any good brew shop should have Juniper Berries and Corriander seeds
        available (unfortunately many don't so you may have to use a herb/spice
        shop). Cassia Bark, and Grains of Paradise need to be sourced via an
        Oriental Grocer. Cubeb Berries had us stumped for a while but aparently
        is available via http://www.worldspice.com I haven't checked the site
        out yet though. Liquorice root, Orris root and Angelica root are
        available from a Herbalist/health food shop. The recipe that has been
        experimented with by my customer is:
        in 5 lt of 50% alcohol that has been carbon treated put the following,
        40 juniper berries crushed
        30 Corriander seeds crushed
        10 drops of Juniper oil (one of Des's fine products called Gin enhancer)

        2 Tablespoons Almonds (ground)
        1/2 Tablespoon Liquorice root
        1/2 Teaspoon Paprika
        1/2 Teaspoon Orris root
        2 sticks Cassia bark (broken up)
        1/2 the peel of one lemon (no pith)
        Remove the lemon after one week and leave the remainder of ingredients
        for a further 5 weeks. Strain through coffee filter. Distil in a pot
        still with 10 lt of water added. Don't treat futher with carbon, water
        down to 40% and drink.
        The amount of each ingredients was a complete guess so I would imagine
        with experimentation those quantities could change. If anyone cares to
        have a go at the recipe I would be very interested in seeing some
        results posted to this list.
        Ray


        Mike wrote:

        > Dear Ray,
        >
        > Thank you very much for your reply to my query about
        > distilling botanicals. I was amused by your description
        > of the state your pot and element ended up in and will take
        > every precaution to avoid this trap. The problem of
        > separating the resulting oils from the water is an interesting
        > one to think about. Would the oils have a higher BP than
        > water I wonder, or lower. I imagine that the scent elements
        > would have a fairly low vapour pressure or they wouldn�t be
        > much use as scents. Would a second distillation in a pot still
        > do the trick? I�ll be interested to hear what success you have
        > with the soaking in alcohol method. I have found that soaking
        > orange zest etc in ordinary vodka makes a passable basis for a
        > cointreau type liqueur, so using stronger higher strength
        > alcohol should produce good results. I�d love to know the
        > ingredients for Bombay Sapphire Gin � but know that
        > something like that will be a closely guarded family secret!
        >
        > Mike

        --
        Ray Toms Moonshine Supplies, Taupo. New Zealand.
        http://moonshine.co.nz
        Home Brewing Equipment and Suppliers.
        Specialists in all aspects of Home Distillation and Wine/Beer Making.
      • waljaco
        Information on botanicals and essential oils: http://www.heavywater.co.uk/product.shtml Wal
        Message 3 of 5 , Jun 2, 2003
          Information on botanicals and essential oils:
          http://www.heavywater.co.uk/product.shtml

          Wal
        • waljaco
          For those with an interest in distilling with botanicals - http://tinyurl.com/croauhn wal
          Message 4 of 5 , Apr 19 5:36 AM
            For those with an interest in distilling with botanicals -

            http://tinyurl.com/croauhn

            wal
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