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  • Mike
    Dear Ray, Thank you very much for your reply to my query about distilling botanicals. I was amused by your description of the state your pot and element ended
    Message 1 of 5 , Sep 30, 1999
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      Dear Ray,

      Thank you very much for your reply to my query about
      distilling botanicals. I was amused by your description
      of the state your pot and element ended up in and will take
      every precaution to avoid this trap. The problem of
      separating the resulting oils from the water is an interesting
      one to think about. Would the oils have a higher BP than
      water I wonder, or lower. I imagine that the scent elements
      would have a fairly low vapour pressure or they wouldn�t be
      much use as scents. Would a second distillation in a pot still
      do the trick? I�ll be interested to hear what success you have
      with the soaking in alcohol method. I have found that soaking
      orange zest etc in ordinary vodka makes a passable basis for a
      cointreau type liqueur, so using stronger higher strength
      alcohol should produce good results. I�d love to know the
      ingredients for Bombay Sapphire Gin � but know that
      something like that will be a closely guarded family secret!

      Mike
    • Des
      When it comes to extracting oils etc from botanicals it seems that the quantity extracted has no resemblence to the amount of raw material. I appreciate the
      Message 2 of 5 , Oct 2, 1999
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        When it comes to extracting oils etc from botanicals it seems that the
        quantity extracted has no resemblence to the amount of raw material. I
        appreciate the want (and sometimes need) to have natural products as being
        one reason, also the other being the need to indulge in the distilling
        'hobby' to its next step.
        I understand that the best type of still for this purpose is a pot still,
        would appreciate other advise on this though. I suspect that a reflux
        still may be too efficient (?) for this task.


        With flavouring essences it is necessary to add artificial ingredients to
        improve the intensity of the flavour.

        Also, how does the flavour of Bombay Sapphire differ from say London Dry?
        It is something I have considered working on for a while now.

        Regards

        Des
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      • Ray Toms
        Mike Sorry for the delay in reply, I was up in your neck of the woods for the weekend at the Christmas Gift Fair. I believe that the boiling point of the oils
        Message 3 of 5 , Oct 3, 1999
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          Mike
          Sorry for the delay in reply, I was up in your neck of the woods for the
          weekend at the Christmas Gift Fair. I believe that the boiling point of
          the oils is about the same as water as many of them seem to be carried
          over when the water is carried over. There is no copywrite on the Bombay
          Saphire although bear it in mind that this is still an experimental
          recipe:
          The ingredients listed on the bottle are:
          Juniper Berries
          Corriander Seeds
          Cassia Bark aka Chinese Cinamon
          Cubeb Berries aka Tailed Pepper
          Grains of Paradise aka Paprika
          Almonds
          Lemon Peel
          Liquorice root
          Orris root
          Angelica root
          Any good brew shop should have Juniper Berries and Corriander seeds
          available (unfortunately many don't so you may have to use a herb/spice
          shop). Cassia Bark, and Grains of Paradise need to be sourced via an
          Oriental Grocer. Cubeb Berries had us stumped for a while but aparently
          is available via http://www.worldspice.com I haven't checked the site
          out yet though. Liquorice root, Orris root and Angelica root are
          available from a Herbalist/health food shop. The recipe that has been
          experimented with by my customer is:
          in 5 lt of 50% alcohol that has been carbon treated put the following,
          40 juniper berries crushed
          30 Corriander seeds crushed
          10 drops of Juniper oil (one of Des's fine products called Gin enhancer)

          2 Tablespoons Almonds (ground)
          1/2 Tablespoon Liquorice root
          1/2 Teaspoon Paprika
          1/2 Teaspoon Orris root
          2 sticks Cassia bark (broken up)
          1/2 the peel of one lemon (no pith)
          Remove the lemon after one week and leave the remainder of ingredients
          for a further 5 weeks. Strain through coffee filter. Distil in a pot
          still with 10 lt of water added. Don't treat futher with carbon, water
          down to 40% and drink.
          The amount of each ingredients was a complete guess so I would imagine
          with experimentation those quantities could change. If anyone cares to
          have a go at the recipe I would be very interested in seeing some
          results posted to this list.
          Ray


          Mike wrote:

          > Dear Ray,
          >
          > Thank you very much for your reply to my query about
          > distilling botanicals. I was amused by your description
          > of the state your pot and element ended up in and will take
          > every precaution to avoid this trap. The problem of
          > separating the resulting oils from the water is an interesting
          > one to think about. Would the oils have a higher BP than
          > water I wonder, or lower. I imagine that the scent elements
          > would have a fairly low vapour pressure or they wouldn�t be
          > much use as scents. Would a second distillation in a pot still
          > do the trick? I�ll be interested to hear what success you have
          > with the soaking in alcohol method. I have found that soaking
          > orange zest etc in ordinary vodka makes a passable basis for a
          > cointreau type liqueur, so using stronger higher strength
          > alcohol should produce good results. I�d love to know the
          > ingredients for Bombay Sapphire Gin � but know that
          > something like that will be a closely guarded family secret!
          >
          > Mike

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          Ray Toms Moonshine Supplies, Taupo. New Zealand.
          http://moonshine.co.nz
          Home Brewing Equipment and Suppliers.
          Specialists in all aspects of Home Distillation and Wine/Beer Making.
        • waljaco
          Information on botanicals and essential oils: http://www.heavywater.co.uk/product.shtml Wal
          Message 4 of 5 , Jun 2, 2003
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            Information on botanicals and essential oils:
            http://www.heavywater.co.uk/product.shtml

            Wal
          • waljaco
            For those with an interest in distilling with botanicals - http://tinyurl.com/croauhn wal
            Message 5 of 5 , Apr 19, 2013
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              For those with an interest in distilling with botanicals -

              http://tinyurl.com/croauhn

              wal
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