RE: [Distillers] Results of first run
- I don't think that using a reflux design necessarily
negates the use of a malt wash. I think it depends on
how you use the still. I don't think it matters
technically whether you use a pot still or a reflux
still, if when using a reflux still you save the right
"fractions". This is the essence of what I am trying
to achieve. I am trying to duplicate the results
roughly equivalent of running three times through a
pot still, by using a reflux still, saving the
"fractions" separately, and recombining them in an
appropriate way. I collected almost neutral spirit
below 80 degrees, and strongly smelling (but not
off-smelling) spirit up to about 84 degrees. I am
going to combine everything I saved below 84 degrees,
and see if it will make decent whiskey after it is
Is this logical or am I missing something?
--- Pete Sayers <brubarn@...> wrote:
> Hi Ted, what yeast did you use? A champagne yeasthttp://us.click.yahoo.com/TtO.UB/YKfCAA/tvCFAA/ePJVlB/TM
> might have given you a
> lower final gravity.If, as you say you had 8% in
> your wash, then mathematics
> say that you could possibly get approx1.5 litres at
> about 90%, off your 25
> litres.This should produce about 3-3.5 litres at
> 40%. I wouldnt be adding
> any off smelling/tasting spirit to my next wash, i
> would rather save all
> those bits, and do a run of them only.
> When using a "malt' only brew, one would normally
> run this thru a Pot still,
> in order to gain flavour carryover to our spirit,
> however when using a
> reflux of any design, you immediately negate the use
> of a malt brew. It
> depends on what sort of final product you are after.
> The reflux stills
> produce what is essentially a neutral ethynol, and
> this product is then able
> to best utilise the tastes etc to be gained from the
> Regards Pete
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ted Sims [mailto:tedsims@...]
> Sent: Friday, 4 May 2001 00:47
> To: Distillers@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Distillers] Results of first run
> In answer to Pete's question, the original gravity
> 1.080, the final gravity was 1.015, which would
> predict 8.5%.
> I have kept the portions I collected separated, so I
> can't answer your third question except to suggest
> adding the numbers I gave, which comes out to
> If it were say, 90%, then I think the amount I
> collected before the tails seems smaller than would
> expected. Do you think so?
> By the way, I didn't have enough of (6) to get a
> hydrometer reading on it, but it still burns. It
> smells like all heck though. I guess if I were using
> pot still, this would be more pronounced throughout
> the run.
> So, I wondering...is this all my flavor in (5) and
> (6), and should I add it back to the rest of the
> The smell is strong, but it doesn't have wet
> even diluted. I would hate to throw the flavor out.
> --- Pete Sayers <brubarn@...> wrote:
> > Ted, i have a couple of questions.
> > 1 What was your original gravity.
> > 2 What was your final gravity.
> > 3 And what was the total volume collected, after
> > adding 2,3,4,5,6,together,
> > and at what strength.
> > Pete
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Ted Sims [mailto:tedsims@...]
> > Sent: Thursday, 3 May 2001 07:17
> > To: Distillers@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Distillers] Results of first run
> > I want to make a report here on the first run of
> > still, soliciting comments. Please let me know if
> > you
> > think this went well.
> > I'll send in a report about the still itself after
> > get the pictures back, but basically, it is a
> > column
> > still with a five gallon boiler, an insulated
> > about 24 inches high, made out of 1 inch copper
> > pipe,
> > filled with copper pot scrubbers. Above the
> > there is short jacketed condenser for reflux. The
> > main
> > condenser is made of 3/4" pipe surrounding a 1/2"
> > pipe.
> > I had 5 gallons of "beer" made of plain malt
> > extract.
> > When vapor began to appear in the top of the
> > the temperature oscillated erratically for about
> > hour and a half, and finally stabilized at 78
> > degrees.
> > At this point, there had been no output. I became
> > impatient, and turned up the heat slightly.
> > By the, way, I have no idea how good my
> > is, actually. I mean to say, I haven't calibrated
> > it.
> > I started getting condensate when I increased the
> > heat. The temp. then went to 78.8 degrees and
> > within a few tenths of this for a couple of hours.
> > Here is the output...the percent numbers are
> > hydometer
> > readings.
> > (1) The first 70 mL I threw out
> > (2) below 79 degrees., collected 430 mL, 93%, mild
> > odor
> > (3) 79 to 79.6 degrees, collected 330mL, 92%, mild
> > odor
> > (4) 79.6 to 81.1 degrees,collected 260mL, 89%,
> > distinct malt spirits odor
> > (5) 81 to 84 degrees, collected 130 mL, 87%,
> > malt spirits odor
> > (6) 84-90 degrees, collected <100mL, strong and
> > unpleasant malt spirits odor.
> > I stopped at this point. I'm inclined to throw out
> > (6)
> > and maybe (5) also.
> > I diluted all of the collections above to 50%
> > alcohol,
> > and the character of the odor stayed about the
> > but was stronger.
> > The stuff of (2), I sipped on a bit, and a brave
> > friend insisted on taking a shot of it before I
> > could
> > stop him. You can drink it and it tastes ok, but
> > isn't exactly what one would call smooth.
> > Ted S.
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