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• BOKAKOB wrote: Subject: Re: [Distillers] Brandons plate s OK I remember when my girlfriend learned math, her teacher said that zero divided by zero is equal
Message 1 of 20 , Apr 30 10:05 PM
BOKAKOB wrote:
Subject: Re: [Distillers] Brandons plate's

OK I remember when my girlfriend learned math, her teacher said that zero
divided by zero is equal one. I was thinking a lot, puzzled, and then said
to her:
-- You know darling,.... from now on zero divided by zero is equal one!
I agree sinse it does not make any difference to me. Thank you Mike for
explanations. BTW the slanted plates column got pattented. :-)
=========================
Remind me never to confuse facts with fancy again Alex. Clearly a waste of
time.
I shall now remember that 0/0 = 0/1 x 1/0 = 0 x infinity = 0 is wrong.

By the way, how could you get a patent on something that was used over 100
years ago?
I had always thought that a patent was for new and innovative discoveries or
designs.
Must be wrong again ... sigh ....

Mike N
• FORGET the plates!!!!I am amazed Brok-a-Cob has a girlfriend!!!!...: ) From: Mike Nixon ...
Message 2 of 20 , May 1, 2003
FORGET the plates!!!!I am amazed 'Brok-a-Cob' has a girlfriend!!!!...:>)

From: "Mike Nixon" <mike@...>
>Subject: Re: [Distillers] Brandons plate's
>BOKAKOB wrote:
>OK I remember when my girlfriend learned math, her teacher said that
>========================
>Remind me never to confuse facts with fancy again Alex. Clearly a waste of
>time.
>Mike N

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• if you went with a wide column you could shove scrubbers in between the plates. they would be nice and evenly packed too. Peter
Message 3 of 20 , May 1, 2003
if you went with a wide column you could shove scrubbers in between
the plates. they would be nice and evenly packed too.

Peter
• this is directed towards the group as a whole-- the plate issue-- if someone in the group could send me a sketch of how the plate is designed (which i think i
Message 4 of 20 , May 1, 2003
this is directed towards the group as a whole-- the plate issue-- if someone in the group could send me a sketch of how the plate is designed (which i think i have an idea) but not quite sure of the exact details-- i think i could come up with a way that would be easily done by all who would want to try this---- thanks
your brother in the spirits
Blueflame456

"Ackland, Tony (CALNZAS)" <Tony.Ackland@...> wrote:
> instead of scrubbers- i cut small copper disk with with 13 quater inch holes each spaced approx 7.25 " apart with 7 used total-- to my supsrise the first batch came out at about 92%

Brandon - please do tell more...how did the column run ?
Any surging problems, or smoother than normal ?
Anything different happen vs using scrubbers ?
How did you make the plates - were they cut to be an exact fit to the column walls, or a bit rough around the sides ?
Where did you find the plate to make them from ?
How did you space them apart ?
Where the holes in any particular pattern, or just random.
What would you do differently next time ?
Any chance of a photo ?

Tony

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• all that would need to be done is take a piece of stainless steel all thread , nuts and washers. A washer and nut on each side of the plate for spacing.
Message 5 of 20 , May 1, 2003
all that would need to be done is take a piece of stainless
steel 'all thread', nuts and washers. A washer and nut on each side
of the plate for spacing. The Plate could be a piece of flat copper
or a perforated drain hair stopper found on bathroom sinks. Drill a
hole in the center of each plate the size of the rod.

once the assembly is put together, you just would have to pull the
whole thing out of the top as a unit for cleaning and inspection. The
bottom plate would rest against either the reducer, or a bolt or
rivet installed on the bottom of the column.

To unsure that all of the plates will fit down the hole before
assembly on the all thread rod, simply bolt all them together
touching, mark the diameter for the inside of your column, make your
cut and then do whatever custom grinding is necessary to fine tune
the fit.

--- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, Brandon Lee <blueflame456@y...>
wrote:
> this is directed towards the group as a whole-- the plate issue--
if someone in the group could send me a sketch of how the plate is
designed (which i think i have an idea) but not quite sure of the
exact details-- i think i could come up with a way that would be
easily done by all who would want to try this---- thanksyour brother
in the spiritsBlueflame456
>
> "Ackland, Tony (CALNZAS)" <Tony.Ackland@c...> wrote:> instead of
scrubbers- i cut small copper disk with with 13 quater inch holes
each spaced approx 7.25 " apart with 7 used total-- to my supsrise
the first batch came out at about 92%
>
> Brandon - please do tell more...how did the column run ?
> Any surging problems, or smoother than normal ?
> Anything different happen vs using scrubbers ?
> How did you make the plates - were they cut to be an exact fit to
the column walls, or a bit rough around the sides ?
> Where did you find the plate to make them from ?
> How did you space them apart ?
> Where the holes in any particular pattern, or just random.
> What would you do differently next time ?
> Any chance of a photo ?
>
> Tony
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• ... I forgot where I got the file from on the net, but it had a whole collection of different things to do with column design etc. Could post a copy on my
Message 6 of 20 , May 1, 2003
> this is directed towards the group as a whole-- the plate issue-- if someone in the group could send me a sketch of how the plate is designed (which i think i have an idea) but not quite sure of the exact details-- i think i could come up with a way that would be easily done by all who would want to try this

I forgot where I got the file from on the net, but it had a whole collection of different things to do with column design etc.  Could post a copy on my site if anyone is interested (about 3Mb to download).  Some of the drawings attached below :

Tony

• Nice idea. You could propably substitute the nut/washer combo inbetween the plates with a piece of copper tube that fits over the threaded rod (easier to
Message 7 of 20 , May 1, 2003
Nice idea. You could propably substitute the nut/washer combo
inbetween the plates with a piece of copper tube that fits over the
threaded rod (easier to tailor the distance between plates). Just
have nut+washer at each end for disassembly & cleaning. Now would
this be efficient with just plates or would it be beneficial to have
a pot scrubber sandwiched between each two plates?

Greetz, Riku

--- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, "CornFed (Randy)" <cornfed15@h...>
wrote:
> all that would need to be done is take a piece of stainless
> steel 'all thread', nuts and washers. A washer and nut on each
side
> of the plate for spacing. The Plate could be a piece of flat
copper
> or a perforated drain hair stopper found on bathroom sinks. Drill
a
> hole in the center of each plate the size of the rod.
>
> once the assembly is put together, you just would have to pull the
> whole thing out of the top as a unit for cleaning and inspection.
The
> bottom plate would rest against either the reducer, or a bolt or
> rivet installed on the bottom of the column.
>
> To unsure that all of the plates will fit down the hole before
> assembly on the all thread rod, simply bolt all them together
> touching, mark the diameter for the inside of your column, make
your
> cut and then do whatever custom grinding is necessary to fine tune
> the fit.
>
>
>
> --- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, Brandon Lee <blueflame456@y...>
> wrote:
> > this is directed towards the group as a whole-- the plate issue--
> if someone in the group could send me a sketch of how the plate is
> designed (which i think i have an idea) but not quite sure of the
> exact details-- i think i could come up with a way that would be
> easily done by all who would want to try this---- thanksyour
brother
> in the spiritsBlueflame456
> >
> > "Ackland, Tony (CALNZAS)" <Tony.Ackland@c...> wrote:> instead of
> scrubbers- i cut small copper disk with with 13 quater inch holes
> each spaced approx 7.25 " apart with 7 used total-- to my supsrise
> the first batch came out at about 92%
> >
> > Brandon - please do tell more...how did the column run ?
> > Any surging problems, or smoother than normal ?
> > Anything different happen vs using scrubbers ?
> > How did you make the plates - were they cut to be an exact fit to
> the column walls, or a bit rough around the sides ?
> > Where did you find the plate to make them from ?
> > How did you space them apart ?
> > Where the holes in any particular pattern, or just random.
> > What would you do differently next time ?
> > Any chance of a photo ?
> >
> > Tony
> >
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• i have a total of 7 plates within the 48 column -- have completed another run just yesterday--once again 92%--15 gal of wash-turbo yeast-25 # sugar-25#
Message 8 of 20 , May 2, 2003
i have a total of 7 plates within the 48" column -- have completed another run just yesterday--once again 92%--15 gal of wash-turbo yeast-25 # sugar-25# corn--yields 1.625 gals at above %--
Your brother in the spirits
Blueflame456
abbababbaccc <abbababbaccc@...> wrote:
Nice idea. You could propably substitute the nut/washer combo
inbetween the plates with a piece of copper tube that fits over the
threaded rod (easier to tailor the distance between plates). Just
have nut+washer at each end for disassembly & cleaning. Now would
this be efficient with just plates or would it be beneficial to have
a pot scrubber sandwiched between each two plates?

Greetz, Riku

--- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, "CornFed (Randy)" <cornfed15@h...>
wrote:
> all that would need to be done is take a piece of stainless
> steel  'all thread', nuts and washers.  A washer and nut on each
side
> of the plate for spacing.  The Plate could be a piece of flat
copper
> or a perforated drain hair stopper found on bathroom sinks.   Drill
a
> hole in the center of each plate the size of the rod.
>
> once the assembly is put together, you just would have to pull the
> whole thing out of the top as a unit for cleaning and inspection.
The
> bottom plate would rest against either the reducer, or a bolt or
> rivet installed  on the bottom of the column.
>
> To unsure that all of the plates will fit down the hole before
> assembly on the all thread rod, simply bolt all them together
> touching, mark the diameter for the inside of your column, make
your
> cut and then do whatever custom grinding is necessary to fine tune
> the fit.
>

>
> --- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, Brandon Lee <blueflame456@y...>
> wrote:
> > this is directed towards the group as a whole-- the plate issue--
> if someone in the group could send me a sketch of how the plate is
> designed (which i think i have an idea) but not quite sure of the
> exact details-- i think i could come up with a way that would be
> easily done by all who would want to try this---- thanksyour
brother
> in the spiritsBlueflame456
> >
> > "Ackland, Tony (CALNZAS)" <Tony.Ackland@c...> wrote:> instead of
> scrubbers- i cut small copper disk with with 13 quater inch holes
> each spaced approx 7.25 " apart with 7 used total-- to my supsrise
> the first batch came out at about 92%
> >
> > Brandon - please do tell more...how did the column run ?
> > Any surging problems, or smoother than normal ?
> > Anything different happen vs using scrubbers ?
> > How did you make the plates - were they cut to be an exact fit to
> the column walls, or a bit rough around the sides ?
> > Where did you find the plate to make them from ?
> > How did you space them apart ?
> > Where the holes in any particular pattern, or just random.
> > What would you do differently next time ?
> > Any chance of a photo ?
> >
> > Tony
> >
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• In the Petroleum Processing Handbook (McGraw Hill) they refer to plates used in Brandon s still as trays. Usually they have some type of corrugations or other
Message 9 of 20 , May 3, 2003
In the Petroleum Processing Handbook (McGraw Hill) they refer to
plates used in Brandon's still as trays. Usually they have some type
of corrugations or other design to maintain a even distribution of
vapor and eliminate channeling. To see examples of these trays
search the web for "Flexitray" by Koch Engineering and "Ripple Tray"
by Stone & Webster.

Glasses97//

--- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, Brandon Lee <blueflame456@y...>
wrote:
> i have a total of 7 plates within the 48" column -- have completed
another run just yesterday--once again 92%--15 gal of wash-turbo
yeast-25 # sugar-25# corn--yields 1.625 gals at above %--
> Your brother in the spiritsBlueflame456
> abbababbaccc <abbababbaccc@y...> wrote:Nice idea. You could
propably substitute the nut/washer combo
> inbetween the plates with a piece of copper tube that fits over the
> threaded rod (easier to tailor the distance between plates). Just
> have nut+washer at each end for disassembly & cleaning. Now would
> this be efficient with just plates or would it be beneficial to
have
> a pot scrubber sandwiched between each two plates?
>
> Greetz, Riku
>
> --- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, "CornFed (Randy)"
<cornfed15@h...>
> wrote:
> > all that would need to be done is take a piece of stainless
> > steel 'all thread', nuts and washers. A washer and nut on each
> side
> > of the plate for spacing. The Plate could be a piece of flat
> copper
> > or a perforated drain hair stopper found on bathroom sinks.
Drill
> a
> > hole in the center of each plate the size of the rod.
> >
> > once the assembly is put together, you just would have to pull
the
> > whole thing out of the top as a unit for cleaning and inspection.
> The
> > bottom plate would rest against either the reducer, or a bolt or
> > rivet installed on the bottom of the column.
> >
> > To unsure that all of the plates will fit down the hole before
> > assembly on the all thread rod, simply bolt all them together
> > touching, mark the diameter for the inside of your column, make
> your
> > cut and then do whatever custom grinding is necessary to fine
tune
> > the fit.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, Brandon Lee
<blueflame456@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > this is directed towards the group as a whole-- the plate issue-
-
> > if someone in the group could send me a sketch of how the plate
is
> > designed (which i think i have an idea) but not quite sure of the
> > exact details-- i think i could come up with a way that would be
> > easily done by all who would want to try this---- thanksyour
> brother
> > in the spiritsBlueflame456
> > >
> > > "Ackland, Tony (CALNZAS)" <Tony.Ackland@c...> wrote:> instead
of
> > scrubbers- i cut small copper disk with with 13 quater inch holes
> > each spaced approx 7.25 " apart with 7 used total-- to my
supsrise
> > the first batch came out at about 92%
> > >
> > > Brandon - please do tell more...how did the column run ?
> > > Any surging problems, or smoother than normal ?
> > > Anything different happen vs using scrubbers ?
> > > How did you make the plates - were they cut to be an exact fit
to
> > the column walls, or a bit rough around the sides ?
> > > Where did you find the plate to make them from ?
> > > How did you space them apart ?
> > > Where the holes in any particular pattern, or just random.
> > > What would you do differently next time ?
> > > Any chance of a photo ?
> > >
> > > Tony
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
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• hello to all n the group - just a note to say that i added one more disc and with the first 3 quarts of this wash i am proud to say that the results
Message 10 of 20 , May 4, 2003
hello to all  n the group - just a note to say that i added one more disc and with the first 3 quarts of this wash i am proud to say that the results @60degrees is 94%--using Alex's EL design(thank u Alex)--the temp. with 1500 watts holds 173.9 solid till the first 1.5 gals are exhausted them the temp starts to rise rapidly--in the Practical Distillers handbook they have a drawing with details on a unit they describe as the column-- which from their drawings -will scale down to a nominal proportion for home distiller useage-- much like the bubble plate unit i have read about( and do correct me if i am wrong or not politically correct)--using the column principal without the goose( which i see as a condenser unit)-- any and all thoughts-advise-criticisms welcome--this is what makes this group function--
your brother in the Spirits
Blueflame456

glasses97 <glasses97@...> wrote:
In the Petroleum Processing Handbook (McGraw Hill) they refer to
plates used in Brandon's still as trays. Usually they have some type
of corrugations or other design to maintain a even distribution of
vapor and eliminate channeling.  To see examples of these trays
search the web for "Flexitray" by Koch Engineering and "Ripple Tray"
by Stone & Webster.

Glasses97//

--- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, Brandon Lee <blueflame456@y...>
wrote:
> i have a total of 7 plates within the 48" column -- have completed
another run just yesterday--once again 92%--15 gal of wash-turbo
yeast-25 # sugar-25# corn--yields 1.625 gals at above %--
> Your brother in the spiritsBlueflame456
> abbababbaccc <abbababbaccc@y...> wrote:Nice idea. You could
propably substitute the nut/washer combo
> inbetween the plates with a piece of copper tube that fits over the
> threaded rod (easier to tailor the distance between plates). Just
> have nut+washer at each end for disassembly & cleaning. Now would
> this be efficient with just plates or would it be beneficial to
have
> a pot scrubber sandwiched between each two plates?
>
> Greetz, Riku
>
> --- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, "CornFed (Randy)"
<cornfed15@h...>
> wrote:
> > all that would need to be done is take a piece of stainless
> > steel  'all thread', nuts and washers.  A washer and nut on each
> side
> > of the plate for spacing.  The Plate could be a piece of flat
> copper
> > or a perforated drain hair stopper found on bathroom sinks.
Drill
> a
> > hole in the center of each plate the size of the rod.
> >
> > once the assembly is put together, you just would have to pull
the
> > whole thing out of the top as a unit for cleaning and inspection.
> The
> > bottom plate would rest against either the reducer, or a bolt or
> > rivet installed  on the bottom of the column.
> >
> > To unsure that all of the plates will fit down the hole before
> > assembly on the all thread rod, simply bolt all them together
> > touching, mark the diameter for the inside of your column, make
> your
> > cut and then do whatever custom grinding is necessary to fine
tune
> > the fit.
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Distillers@yahoogroups.com, Brandon Lee
<blueflame456@y...>
> > wrote:
> > > this is directed towards the group as a whole-- the plate issue-
-
> > if someone in the group could send me a sketch of how the plate
is
> > designed (which i think i have an idea) but not quite sure of the
> > exact details-- i think i could come up with a way that would be
> > easily done by all who would want to try this---- thanksyour
> brother
> > in the spiritsBlueflame456
> > >
> > > "Ackland, Tony (CALNZAS)" <Tony.Ackland@c...> wrote:> instead
of
> > scrubbers- i cut small copper disk with with 13 quater inch holes
> > each spaced approx 7.25 " apart with 7 used total-- to my
supsrise
> > the first batch came out at about 92%
> > >
> > > Brandon - please do tell more...how did the column run ?
> > > Any surging problems, or smoother than normal ?
> > > Anything different happen vs using scrubbers ?
> > > How did you make the plates - were they cut to be an exact fit
to
> > the column walls, or a bit rough around the sides ?
> > > Where did you find the plate to make them from ?
> > > How did you space them apart ?
> > > Where the holes in any particular pattern, or just random.
> > > What would you do differently next time ?
> > > Any chance of a photo ?
> > >
> > > Tony
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Sponsor
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> > >
> > >
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