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    Uniting spiritual and material... , to make dualities mud? This post on Disabled Greens News and discussion:
    Message 1 of 2 , Jan 10, 2011
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      "Uniting spiritual and material...", to make dualities mud?
      This post on Disabled Greens News and discussion:

      http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DisabledGreensNews/message/9020

      This petition on change.org:

      http://health.change.org/petitions/view/think_about_uplifting_life_and_share


      Ni hao. Great work, thanx for all you do; I hope your New Year was great, and may it be new all the way through :)

      An unnecessarily long critique of a blog by Deepak Chopra: "Uniting spiritual and material values" :)

      Deepak Chopra: "...I have never accepted that money was the root of all evil."

      That's good you haven't because it's not. Evil is a religious delineation describing the actions of purportedly mythical beings, like a devil, etc., which doesn't exist. Yet, the term has relevance in this world anyhow, because what man does is so despicable, words like evil are the only ones severe enough in their criticalness to attempt to do justice in the description; of course, those that do the 'evil' could also be more aptly called abominations, instead of men. This while man could be considered the root of all 'evil', and, being that man invented money, this would be a more appropriate first conclusion, linear, superficial thought one could jump to; if one were the jumpy kind. Although, since only specific men are the root of all 'evil', historically speaking, the generic nature of that comment, while sounding pithy, would render it inaccurate, at best. Being that money was an artifice, of mecha, manufactured to enable some to rob others, the ones manufacturing the money always having an upper hand in all and any thieving processes, its origins are 'evil' in intent; even though, they don't have to be in its actual, and even practical 'use'. The fact that its origins are also based in interlocking and laced systems of scarcity has had a lot to due with the historical inequities the astronomically increased 'usage' of it, and all its derivatives, has wrought on society, at large and small; as it has aided in the fabrication and dissemination of the main delusional construct, materialism- which has determined the chasm between supposed haves and have nots, as well as its widening over time. This, while your qualifying your non-acceptance of that cliche with "never", is more indicative of your actual intent, and not the fallaciousness of the cliche's intent; which is to put the responsibility for moneys 'usages' results, and corresponding blame, on an 'other' than man, an object- just as 'using' the word 'evil' attempts to put its origins in the hands of a 'devil', etc., instead of man (a typical displacing and projective device of religious babble, in general, as well).

      jmn


      Deepak Chopra: "Yet the way of peace has to face the current dominance of greed."

      Ah, "the", a particularly generic word, which also alludes to a singularity of existence, if not importance and dominance, at the same time. Just as "way of peace", demands such a position, almost by force. This while the usage of the two together accentuates the allusional aspects of both, and the combination of that accentuation with the projection of animation, "has to face", which is specifically human, on a "way", an inanimate 'thing', to be sure, increases those allusory aspects exponentially, giving the resulting force of intent a supposed dominance that can only be interpreted as delusional. Then, to further delude, as must be interpreted as the intent of the sentence at this point, you 'use', that same "the", with "dominance", a delusional construct of its own; and what is the target of all that illusory purported power being projected on, "greed", another delusion that is an offshoot of the malicious intent of the manufacture of money- to begin with. To simply say, there's no "the", and not no "the", no "dominance" and not no "dominance", also no "greed" and not no "greed", at once, would be a short cut only adepts would discern the meaning of; making the previous explanation of your attempt to delude readers with a purported duality that doesn't exist, superfluous- yet, necessary, as the average reader will still have difficulty, even with the verbose version. I need not go on, Sir, although, readers will need more detail to your agenda to discern it for themselves- so, I must, at minimum, address the totally delusional make-up of your blogs title.

      jmn


      Deepak Chopra: "Uniting spiritual and material values".

      First, the delusion of separation doesn't exist, so, no need to "unite" those purported aspects of your purported duality, as a cause; for, it would manifest enumerable deleterious effects to the purported direction of that projection (for e.g., determine the opposite effects in reality). The purported need to "unite" "spiritual", anything, with "material" anything is the building blocks of your delusional intents direction; and, maybe, since I'm accurately discerning the truth and evoking it for free, and you sell yours by the pound- it's readily assumable what that is. Yet, that delusional construction is supposedly central to the misery of man, so, I'll spend more of my worthless time on it- only because my time is worthless, obviously. Dualities don't exist, for e.g., spiritual vs. material, as everything that is known to man, including a purported vacuum, is spiritual, endemically, and there is actually nothing that is material, which even supposed scientists have proven in numerous ways, ergo, there's no purported duality; for, reality, spirit, is not in opposition to, competing with, measurable against a non-existent illusion called matter, the building block of material- as nothing is matter separate and unto itself, no matter what your definition of it is, in reality, and, therefore it doesn't exist, actually. I'll thank me in advance for my time, as yours is way to valuable for you to waste it on such a trivial civility.

      jmn


      The Rest of D.C.'s blog post, I didn't comment on :)

      "...The basic problem with money seems obvious: it pulls the mind towards worldly things, it fills up one's hours with business and commerce, it distorts the true values of spirit by replacing them with pleasure and possessions.

      To me, this doesn't say that money is evil or nonspiritual. It says that money is a distraction, and sometimes so powerful a distraction that people fail to go beyond it. The failure here is to unite spiritual and material values, but I believe the way of peace shows us that this is not only desirable but totally necessary.

      Using Saint Francis as an example, his struggle of one person's soul caught between a successful career and poverty wasn't based on the things we normally think about, such as pleasure, security, social position, and the ability to raise a family. The struggle was between worldly success and what pleased God, as taught by the Church fathers. In the end, Saint Francis tired to embody those values that pleased God.

      The things we normally think about (money serving to bring pleasure, security, social position, and the ability to raise a family) are good values, and there is no reason to suppose that they displease a God who loves his creation. God is not either/or in my view. It isn't that you either live for him or you don't.

      If you live as though money brings the only happiness, clearly something has gone wrong. You have neglected the entire world of spirit, with the implication that the surface of life is enough.

      Adapted from: Peace Is the Way, by Deepak Chopra (Harmony Books, 2005)." From Care2.com, see on below url :)

      Read more:

      http://www.care2.com/greenliving/uniting-spiritual-and-material-values.html#ixzz18qQXGZAP

      Other from D.C. :)

      deepak chopra's tips :)

      http://www.care2.com/greenliving/spirituality/soular-energy

      Meet D.C. :)

      http://www.care2.com//c2c/people/profile.html?pid=683350730

      Chopra Center :)

      http://www.chopra.com/questionoftheday.htm



      An alternative message for the New Year? We must advocate for life, the evolution, now. All life are needed threads in the fabric of life, although threads are wrenched, we can't allow it to be torn asunder. We are with each of you in spirit, you're never alone, they can't break you because the life is indivisible and you're a great example of what being more alive, more human is; and all it could be, for, struggling with their plan to dictate global unnecessary unending war to usher in the extinction of humanity and large mammals uncontested, must continue to be about being and revealing the truth, and their lies, spoken and un- which you've done courageously. The Beauty Way, on the Red Path, et al, illuminates that and the need for a real Climate Change Bill, an upgrading and greening of the national power grids (creating jobs, decreasing everyone's electricity bills by 10 %; that savings will be spent- creating a stimulus program too), etc., now. It's not too late to take back the day, by turning 360 degrees around, back to the evolution, dispelling the convolutions devolutionary direction; and getting back to the real future, we'll only have if you do! By the by, still, "la machine", the corporate structure, and their ever increasing and increasingly interlocking and laced systems of premeditated mass-destroying-murdering programs are all just linx in the chains on humanity, attempting to stop us from breaking free, we can break the chain of murder, the chain of death; by abolishing the over use of fossil fuels and being most alive! That's also why I think allowing evolution as a common language, as it's the thread that links every, in the fabric of life, is a good place to start. Some of the 100's of groups I moderate, etc.:

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      Please advocate now. Thanx. Ciao.


      Matutinally Yours,


      james m nordlund reality (aja) :)
    • reality (aja) :)
      Dear Bdpoe, et Al, Good day. Hope your New Year will be new all the way through. This post on Disabled Greens News and discussion: Uniting spiritual and
      Message 2 of 2 , Jan 18, 2011
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        Dear Bdpoe, et Al,

        Good day. Hope your New Year will be new all the way through.

        This post on Disabled Greens News and discussion:
        "Uniting spiritual and material...", to make dualities mud?:

        http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DisabledGreensNews/message/9020

        This petition on change.org:
        Think about uplifting life and share:

        http://health.change.org/petitions/view/think_about_uplifting_life_and_share

        Thanx for replying, here's mine:

        Bdpoe said: …"So if the above statement by Chopra, misunderstood, is the premise of any argument it is flawed."

        I'm not, and it's not, and there's no reason that one would project that it is. As well, explaining elemental supposed Christian theological truisms to me is pejorative.

        Bdpoe said: …"The key here is what you do with the money or riches. Sacrifice vs Selfishness."

        No, that's not the `key' here or anywhere. What's more relevant is how the money is acquired, for, money isn't some kind of generically neutral societal mechanism, as capitalists and socialists (dialectically), both `materialists`, would suggest it is; as I clearly stated. This makes me wonder if you actually read my essai.

        Bdpoe said: …"When Chopra is later quoted as saying " Yet the way of peace has to face the current dominance of greed," he is closer to the mark."

        Nope, as my essai clearly states, he's off most marks, for he `uses' generic dualistic terms to soft brainwash his reader into accepting a fundamental duality that doesn't exist.

        Bdpoe said: …"Further the New Testament says "For ALL have sinned and fall short". Paul and James talk about the differences between the flesh and the spirit existing in the Believer. Between serving God and serving one's self."

        More dualistic supposed Christian drivel, not nearly teachings of Jesus.

        Bdpoe said: …"Also throughout the Bible Satan is mentioned as a real entity. Evil is depicted as REAL."

        I grant you that the early disciples, and the empire builders that came after them, didn't make up Satan, the earlier Hebraic traditions, etc., did; yet, that doesn't decrease their culpability in `using' that biggest of lies for their own uber-greed, etc., driven reasons, etc.. As well, the only `evil' is what men have done, and/or do, yet, it's realism can be debated; although, there is an element of actuality, in terms of cause and effect, karma, etc., while in reality, dharma, it isn't real.

        Bdpoe said: "What some see as a duality others see as two sides of the same coin, just as a day includes periods of light and darkness in 24 hours."

        Your explanation of metaphors for duality doesn't make it less delusional; rather, obviously more clearly that- for, coins are coins, nothing else is a coin, etc..

        Bdpoe said: "For the Christian, life is a paradox as are many things mentioned in the Bible and they cannot fully comprehend the mind of God seeing things dimly through a hazy glass or mirror."

        No, that's theological babble, true for the supposed Christian only.

        Bdpoe said: "Look around and see how man has wrecked the planet instead of nourishing it. How mankind has developed a system that keeps the majority impoverished while the few grow richer and more powerful. How we sit by as hundreds of thousands die needlessly. Should we not change our ways? Peace and Joy"

        Your line suggesting I'm against us changing our ways is pejorative, and you also simply know that's not true, my whole essai is criticizing Deepak's not being realer, and therefore, not aiding in realer change that would last, is needed, et al. By way of further elucidation, I add the following. If you read through my critique, I don't say anywhere that Deepak's work doesn't have real value, like many centrists and supposed Christian conspirators, etc., he means and does well; my criticism comes from his propagating and projecting the same delusional constructs that are at the root of all humanities, and unless we're stopped, life's, problems- for, humanity and large mammals are being exterminated into extinction, premeditatedly. Ergo, the need for accuracy. His intending good and doing good isn't good enough, because he has the potential to do and be great. The reason why all the scarcity based interlocking and laced systems of society, at large and small, are accepted for reality is because the fundamental delusions and delusional constructs, like duality, that they're based on, aren't struggled with, in reality. Ergo, the reality of the infinite abundance of nature, life's indivisibility, a human's illimitable potential, et al, are, for the most part, ignored and relegated to some kind of goodie eighty-two shoes positivism, instead. That `centrism', they used to call 'bipartisanship (bipartisanshit), is seen in Barack's literally attacking, and suggesting he'll attack more, the dempublicans when the House Dems let him know they weren't exactly on board with the butcher-in-chief's latest sausage making legislative deal, "tax increases for the poor and extreme tax cuts for the extremely rich"; Barack never `used' those tactics of pathologically lying (just like the remocrats) before, yet, he took to it like a fish to water, and the Dems immediately caved, in fear. See, Barack usually pathologically half truths with the best of dempublicans; and his facility for that transition also let's us know if he ever wants to rev it up to pathological extreme lying, like the tea partiers, he's more than capable. So too, the "no labels", crowd are making believe the problem is adjectives, etc., trying to reinforce the numbing and dumbing down of the populace that has gone on for decades, attempting to addict us to narcissistic un-endeavors or apathy, at best, and worse, increase the coercion into the rule of the conspiracy of silence we broke during King George and his Dick Cheney's reign on the American way of life. Another example, your supposed Christian assertions, when critically examined, are just the results of the first emperor of the Roman Catholic Imperial Churches edict to finalize an editing job on the Bible, in order to ever increase the supposed garnering of delusional profit, pleasure and power, in ever increasingly centralizing and cyclical patterns; and not the actual teachings of Jesus. Some of the groups I moderate, etc.:

        Disabled Greens News and discussion, Group :)
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        Abuse in Therapy, Group :)
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        Poets For Human Rights :) http://groups.google.com/group/Poets-for-Human-Rights/web/realitys-twigs-of-poetree-pour-vous

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        poetrytalk:
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        What do you think? From the heart in the heart of the heartland. Copy and share as you will. Thanx for all you do. Have a good day. Goodbye.

        Matutinally Yours,

        james m nordlund, reality
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