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  • Zardoz
    Happy solstice all who were and were not at Avebury. Steward of many of our hopes for land justice and editor of The Land Simon has said here the Prince Of
    Message 1 of 10 , Jun 21, 2013
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      Happy solstice all who were and were not at Avebury.

      Steward of many of our hopes for land justice and editor of 'The Land' Simon has said here the Prince Of Wales's 'heart is in the right place'?
      Well maybe he's a charming man, I've never met him, but haven't yet seen a review on Charles' book 'Harmony', a vision for Britain in the mag. Might be interesting?

      Tony


      New questions over relationship between Prince Charles and Waitrose
      http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/New-questions-relationship-Prince-Charles/story-19339931-detail/story.html

      Thursday, June 20, 2013 - West Briton - By Miles Davis, West Briton

      NEW QUESTIONS have been raised over the relationship between the Prince of Wales and Waitrose and a property deal that would transform the east of Truro.

      It has emerged that Prince Charles paid more than £38 million for a depot in Milton Keynes used by the chain. The Duchy of Cornwall, which represents the Prince's business interests, is a key player in the Truro Eastern District Centre (TEDC) project that would see a Waitrose built along with a park and ride, 110 homes and a recycling centre at the junction of Union Hill and Newquay Road.

      A spokesman for the Prince dismissed any presumed connection between the duchy and Waitrose as "coincidence".

      The deal for the duchy to buy the 396,000sq ft warehouse at Milton Keynes was completed 18 months ago at a cost of £38,385,500, as reported by the Independent newspaper.

      Waitrose leases it as a lorry distribution hub.

      Plans for the controversial TEDC were approved by Cornwall Council in March 2012 but that planning consent now faces a judicial review brought by Truro City Council.

      Councillor Rob Nolan, member of Truro City Council and Cornwall Council, said: "The city council is keen to maintain the vibrancy of the high street in Truro and would welcome Waitrose into the city centre.

      "But we consider an out-of-town shopping centre to be a threat to that vibrancy.

      "I'm surprised to see this strong link. It appears that the duchy and Waitrose are putting their own interests before those of Truro."

      The duchy's financial dealings are expected to come under closer scrutiny from the Commons Public Accounts Committee and a Private Members' Bill in the House of Lords demanding an overhaul of its structure and the distribution of surplus income to the people of Cornwall.

      Prince Charles's income in 2012 was £20.48 million, with £18.28 million coming from the Duchy of Cornwall and £2.19 million from government departments and grants-in-aid.

      In all the Duchy of Cornwall owns some 131,000 acres of land in 23 counties, including large swathes of Cornwall, Dartmoor and the Prince's Gloucestershire home of Highgrove.

      A spokesman said of the Waitrose depot: "The property acquired was a commercial property investment and it is not related to Duchy Originals. It is a coincidence that Waitrose is the tenant."


      Revealed: Prince Charles's secret property deals - including £38 million industrial carbuncle
      http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/revealed-prince-charless-secret-property-deals--including-38-million-industrial-carbuncle-8659596.html


      BBC fails in bid to have critical clip removed from YouTube following copyright complaint
      http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/bbc-fails-bid-have-critical-clip-removed-youtube-following-copyright-complaint
    • Simon Fairlie
      I d be prepared to defend Prince Charles basically hippy heart, to an extent , but not the Duchy. Simon ... I d be prepared to defend Prince Charles
      Message 2 of 10 , Jun 21, 2013
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        I'd be prepared to defend Prince Charles' basically hippy heart, to an extent , but not the Duchy. 

        Simon 

        On 21 Jun 2013, at 23:31, Zardoz wrote:

        Happy solstice all who were and were not at Avebury.

        Steward of many of our hopes for land justice and editor of 'The Land' Simon has said here the Prince Of Wales's 'heart is in the right place'? 
        Well maybe he's a charming man, I've never met him, but haven't yet seen a review on Charles' book 'Harmony', a vision for Britain in the mag. Might be interesting?

        Tony


        New questions over relationship between Prince Charles and Waitrose

        Thursday, June 20, 2013 - West Briton - By Miles Davis, West Briton

        NEW QUESTIONS have been raised over the relationship between the Prince of Wales and Waitrose and a property deal that would transform the east of Truro.

        It has emerged that Prince Charles paid more than £38 million for a depot in Milton Keynes used by the chain. The Duchy of Cornwall, which represents the Prince's business interests, is a key player in the Truro Eastern District Centre (TEDC) project that would see a Waitrose built along with a park and ride, 110 homes and a recycling centre at the junction of Union Hill and Newquay Road.

        A spokesman for the Prince dismissed any presumed connection between the duchy and Waitrose as "coincidence".

        The deal for the duchy to buy the 396,000sq ft warehouse at Milton Keynes was completed 18 months ago at a cost of £38,385,500, as reported by the Independent newspaper.

        Waitrose leases it as a lorry distribution hub.

        Plans for the controversial TEDC were approved by Cornwall Council in March 2012 but that planning consent now faces a judicial review brought by Truro City Council.

        Councillor Rob Nolan, member of Truro City Council and Cornwall Council, said: "The city council is keen to maintain the vibrancy of the high street in Truro and would welcome Waitrose into the city centre.

        "But we consider an out-of-town shopping centre to be a threat to that vibrancy.

        "I'm surprised to see this strong link. It appears that the duchy and Waitrose are putting their own interests before those of Truro."

        The duchy's financial dealings are expected to come under closer scrutiny from the Commons Public Accounts Committee and a Private Members' Bill in the House of Lords demanding an overhaul of its structure and the distribution of surplus income to the people of Cornwall.

        Prince Charles's income in 2012 was £20.48 million, with £18.28 million coming from the Duchy of Cornwall and £2.19 million from government departments and grants-in-aid.

        In all the Duchy of Cornwall owns some 131,000 acres of land in 23 counties, including large swathes of Cornwall, Dartmoor and the Prince's Gloucestershire home of Highgrove.

        A spokesman said of the Waitrose depot: "The property acquired was a commercial property investment and it is not related to Duchy Originals. It is a coincidence that Waitrose is the tenant."


        Revealed: Prince Charles's secret property deals - including £38 million industrial carbuncle


        BBC fails in bid to have critical clip removed from YouTube following copyright complaint




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        Thy Sons will live in peace, and each will be a friend.

        Woe to those who join house to house and field to field, until there is no more room, and you are made to dwell alone in the midst of the land. Yahweh of heaven's armies has sworn in my hearing: "Surely many houses shall be desolate, large and beautiful houses, without inhabitant." Isaiah 5:8-9


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      • Ian
        Defend his heart if you must, but off with his head. Ian.
        Message 3 of 10 , Jun 21, 2013
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          Defend his heart if you must, but off with his head.

          Ian.

          On 22 Jun 2013 at 1:16, Simon Fairlie wrote:

          > I'd be prepared to defend Prince Charles' basically hippy heart, to an extent , but not the Duchy.
          >
          > Simon
          >
          > On 21 Jun 2013, at 23:31, Zardoz wrote:
          >
          > Happy solstice all who were and were not at Avebury.
          >
          > Steward of many of our hopes for land justice and editor of 'The Land' Simon has said here the Prince
          > Of Wales's 'heart is in the right place'?
          > Well maybe he's a charming man, I've never met him, but haven't yet seen a review on Charles' book
          > 'Harmony', a vision for Britain in the mag. Might be interesting?
          >
          > Tony
          >
          >
          > New questions over relationship between Prince Charles and Waitrose
          > http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/New-questions-relationship-Prince-Charles/story-19339931-detail/story.
          > html
          >
          > Thursday, June 20, 2013 - West Briton - By Miles Davis, West Briton
          >
          > NEW QUESTIONS have been raised over the relationship between the Prince of Wales and Waitrose
          > and a property deal that would transform the east of Truro.
          >
          > It has emerged that Prince Charles paid more than £38 million for a depot in Milton Keynes used by the
          > chain. The Duchy of Cornwall, which represents the Prince's business interests, is a key player in the
          > Truro Eastern District Centre (TEDC) project that would see a Waitrose built along with a park and ride,
          > 110 homes and a recycling centre at the junction of Union Hill and Newquay Road.
          >
          > A spokesman for the Prince dismissed any presumed connection between the duchy and Waitrose as
          > "coincidence".
          >
          > The deal for the duchy to buy the 396,000sq ft warehouse at Milton Keynes was completed 18 months
          > ago at a cost of £38,385,500, as reported by the Independent newspaper.
          >
          > Waitrose leases it as a lorry distribution hub.
          >
          > Plans for the controversial TEDC were approved by Cornwall Council in March 2012 but that planning
          > consent now faces a judicial review brought by Truro City Council.
          >
          > Councillor Rob Nolan, member of Truro City Council and Cornwall Council, said: "The city council is
          > keen to maintain the vibrancy of the high street in Truro and would welcome Waitrose into the city
          > centre.
          >
          > "But we consider an out-of-town shopping centre to be a threat to that vibrancy.
          >
          > "I'm surprised to see this strong link. It appears that the duchy and Waitrose are putting their own
          > interests before those of Truro."
          >
          > The duchy's financial dealings are expected to come under closer scrutiny from the Commons Public
          > Accounts Committee and a Private Members' Bill in the House of Lords demanding an overhaul of its
          > structure and the distribution of surplus income to the people of Cornwall.
          >
          > Prince Charles's income in 2012 was £20.48 million, with £18.28 million coming from the Duchy of
          > Cornwall and £2.19 million from government departments and grants-in-aid.
          >
          > In all the Duchy of Cornwall owns some 131,000 acres of land in 23 counties, including large swathes of
          > Cornwall, Dartmoor and the Prince's Gloucestershire home of Highgrove.
          >
          > A spokesman said of the Waitrose depot: "The property acquired was a commercial property investment
          > and it is not related to Duchy Originals. It is a coincidence that Waitrose is the tenant."
          >
          >
          > Revealed: Prince Charles's secret property deals - including £38 million industrial carbuncle
          > http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/revealed-prince-charless-secret-property-deals--incl
          > uding-38-million-industrial-carbuncle-8659596.html
          >
          >
          > BBC fails in bid to have critical clip removed from YouTube following copyright complaint
          > http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/bbc-fails-bid-have-critical-clip-removed-youtube-following-copyright-comp
          > laint
          >
          >
          >
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          >
          > The list was originally concerned with the 350th anniversary of The Diggers (& still is concerned with
          > their history). The Diggers appeared at the end of the English Civil war with a noble mission to make the
          > earth 'a common treasury for all'. In the spring of 1999 there were celebrations to remember the Diggers
          > vision and their contribution.
          >
          > TASH FROM THE HILL
          > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWk9rRJsk5I
          >
          > THE LAND MAGAZINE
          > Simon Fairlie still produces The Land magazine every 6 months or so.
          > Subsription is £18 (£15 unwaged) or £4 for a single edition
          > http://www.thelandmagazine.org.uk /
          >
          > THE SCYTHE SHOP (advertisement)
          > There is a revival of scything in the UK. Scything summer growth by hand is usually quicker than using
          > a strimmer, and there is no noise, vibration or pollution. http://www.thescytheshop.co.uk /
          >
          > Die Pride and Envie; Flesh, take the poor's advice.
          > Covetousnesse be gon: Come, Truth and Love arise.
          > Patience take the Crown; throw Anger out of dores:
          > Cast out Hypocrisie and Lust, which follows whores:
          > Then England sit in rest; Thy sorrows will have end;
          > Thy Sons will live in peace, and each will be a friend.
          > http://www.bilderberg.org/land/gift.htm
          >
          > Woe to those who join house to house and field to field, until there is no more room, and you are made
          > to dwell alone in the midst of the land. Yahweh of heaven's armies has sworn in my hearing: "Surely
          > many houses shall be desolate, large and beautiful houses, without inhabitant." Isaiah 5:8-9
          >
          > http://www.downingstreetmemo.comYahoo! Groups Links
          >
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        • Ilyan Thomas
          In view of his upbringing and indoctrination Carlo is a miracle. His biggest discredit is something about Diana, and their son getting the same sort of
          Message 4 of 10 , Jun 22, 2013
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            In view of his upbringing and indoctrination Carlo is a miracle.  His biggest discredit is something about Diana, and their son getting the same sort of indoctrination Carlo had.    
            Ilyan


            On 22/06/13 01:16, Simon Fairlie wrote:
             

            I'd be prepared to defend Prince Charles' basically hippy heart, to an extent , but not the Duchy. 


            Simon 

            On 21 Jun 2013, at 23:31, Zardoz wrote:

            Happy solstice all who were and were not at Avebury.

            Steward of many of our hopes for land justice and editor of 'The Land' Simon has said here the Prince Of Wales's 'heart is in the right place'? 
            Well maybe he's a charming man, I've never met him, but haven't yet seen a review on Charles' book 'Harmony', a vision for Britain in the mag. Might be interesting?

            Tony


            New questions over relationship between Prince Charles and Waitrose

            Thursday, June 20, 2013 - West Briton - By Miles Davis, West Briton

            NEW QUESTIONS have been raised over the relationship between the Prince of Wales and Waitrose and a property deal that would transform the east of Truro.

            It has emerged that Prince Charles paid more than £38 million for a depot in Milton Keynes used by the chain. The Duchy of Cornwall, which represents the Prince's business interests, is a key player in the Truro Eastern District Centre (TEDC) project that would see a Waitrose built along with a park and ride, 110 homes and a recycling centre at the junction of Union Hill and Newquay Road.

            A spokesman for the Prince dismissed any presumed connection between the duchy and Waitrose as "coincidence".

            The deal for the duchy to buy the 396,000sq ft warehouse at Milton Keynes was completed 18 months ago at a cost of £38,385,500, as reported by the Independent newspaper.

            Waitrose leases it as a lorry distribution hub.

            Plans for the controversial TEDC were approved by Cornwall Council in March 2012 but that planning consent now faces a judicial review brought by Truro City Council.

            Councillor Rob Nolan, member of Truro City Council and Cornwall Council, said: "The city council is keen to maintain the vibrancy of the high street in Truro and would welcome Waitrose into the city centre.

            "But we consider an out-of-town shopping centre to be a threat to that vibrancy.

            "I'm surprised to see this strong link. It appears that the duchy and Waitrose are putting their own interests before those of Truro."

            The duchy's financial dealings are expected to come under closer scrutiny from the Commons Public Accounts Committee and a Private Members' Bill in the House of Lords demanding an overhaul of its structure and the distribution of surplus income to the people of Cornwall.

            Prince Charles's income in 2012 was £20.48 million, with £18.28 million coming from the Duchy of Cornwall and £2.19 million from government departments and grants-in-aid.

            In all the Duchy of Cornwall owns some 131,000 acres of land in 23 counties, including large swathes of Cornwall, Dartmoor and the Prince's Gloucestershire home of Highgrove.

            A spokesman said of the Waitrose depot: "The property acquired was a commercial property investment and it is not related to Duchy Originals. It is a coincidence that Waitrose is the tenant."


            Revealed: Prince Charles's secret property deals - including £38 million industrial carbuncle


            BBC fails in bid to have critical clip removed from YouTube following copyright complaint




            ------------------------------------

            Diggers350 - an e-mail discussion/information-share list for campaigners and members of THE LAND IS OURS landrights network based in the UK 

            The list was originally concerned with the 350th anniversary of The Diggers (& still is concerned with their history). The Diggers appeared at the end of the English Civil war with a noble mission to make the earth 'a common treasury for all'. In the spring of 1999 there were celebrations to remember the Diggers vision and their contribution. 

            TASH FROM THE HILL

            THE LAND MAGAZINE
            Simon Fairlie still produces The Land magazine every 6 months or so. 
            Subsription is £18 (£15 unwaged) or £4 for a single edition

            THE SCYTHE SHOP (advertisement)
            There is a revival of scything in the UK. Scything summer growth by hand is usually quicker than using a strimmer, and there is no noise, vibration or pollution. http://www.thescytheshop.co.uk/

            Die Pride and Envie; Flesh, take the poor's advice. 
            Covetousnesse be gon: Come, Truth and Love arise. 
            Patience take the Crown; throw Anger out of dores: 
            Cast out Hypocrisie and Lust, which follows whores: 
            Then England sit in rest; Thy sorrows will have end; 
            Thy Sons will live in peace, and each will be a friend.

            Woe to those who join house to house and field to field, until there is no more room, and you are made to dwell alone in the midst of the land. Yahweh of heaven's armies has sworn in my hearing: "Surely many houses shall be desolate, large and beautiful houses, without inhabitant." Isaiah 5:8-9


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          • Zardoz
            The Duchy has no hippy heart and he runs it. Don t you think the hippy stuff is something of a cover? All the top super rich impoverisher sociopaths do this
            Message 5 of 10 , Jun 22, 2013
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              The Duchy has no hippy heart and he runs it.
              Don't you think the hippy stuff is something of a cover?
              All the top super rich impoverisher sociopaths do this PR.
              Charles has a massive PR operation costing around £500k anually, both proactive visiting Dr Who sets etc etc and a small army of lawyers to detect negative stories before they emerge and issue legal threats to stop publication.
              Here's just one old article illustrating this

              Hard up, Charles? Who do you think you're kidding?
              http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/columnists/article-229027/Hard-Charles-Who-think-youre-kidding.html

              I suppose the point of this is to get a good review in The Land of Charles' Harmony book, his 'vision for Britain'.

              Poundbury in a small way sums it up. So why not a genuine C21 ecovillage such as the Ecoville 2000 project Roger Kelly from CAT and Richard St George from Schumacher Society designed? Giving the residents genuine freedom and autonomy. A real vision for the future.

              This could be Britain's gift to the world if Charles were a real libertarian in any way - which I believe he isn't. His is a fake eco vision which totally sells out to the same money system which is destroying society and the planet.

              T

              --- In Diggers350@yahoogroups.com, Simon Fairlie <chapter7@...> wrote:
              >
              > I'd be prepared to defend Prince Charles' basically hippy heart, to
              > an extent , but not the Duchy.
              >
              > Simon
              >
              > On 21 Jun 2013, at 23:31, Zardoz wrote:
              >
              > > Happy solstice all who were and were not at Avebury.
              > >
              > > Steward of many of our hopes for land justice and editor of 'The
              > > Land' Simon has said here the Prince Of Wales's 'heart is in the
              > > right place'?
              > > Well maybe he's a charming man, I've never met him, but haven't yet
              > > seen a review on Charles' book 'Harmony', a vision for Britain in
              > > the mag. Might be interesting?
              > >
              > > Tony
              > >
              > >
              > > New questions over relationship between Prince Charles and Waitrose
              > > http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/New-questions-relationship-Prince-
              > > Charles/story-19339931-detail/story.html
              > >
              > > Thursday, June 20, 2013 - West Briton - By Miles Davis, West Briton
              > >
              > > NEW QUESTIONS have been raised over the relationship between the
              > > Prince of Wales and Waitrose and a property deal that would
              > > transform the east of Truro.
              > >
              > > It has emerged that Prince Charles paid more than £38 million for a
              > > depot in Milton Keynes used by the chain. The Duchy of Cornwall,
              > > which represents the Prince's business interests, is a key player
              > > in the Truro Eastern District Centre (TEDC) project that would see
              > > a Waitrose built along with a park and ride, 110 homes and a
              > > recycling centre at the junction of Union Hill and Newquay Road.
              > >
              > > A spokesman for the Prince dismissed any presumed connection
              > > between the duchy and Waitrose as "coincidence".
              > >
              > > The deal for the duchy to buy the 396,000sq ft warehouse at Milton
              > > Keynes was completed 18 months ago at a cost of £38,385,500, as
              > > reported by the Independent newspaper.
              > >
              > > Waitrose leases it as a lorry distribution hub.
              > >
              > > Plans for the controversial TEDC were approved by Cornwall Council
              > > in March 2012 but that planning consent now faces a judicial review
              > > brought by Truro City Council.
              > >
              > > Councillor Rob Nolan, member of Truro City Council and Cornwall
              > > Council, said: "The city council is keen to maintain the vibrancy
              > > of the high street in Truro and would welcome Waitrose into the
              > > city centre.
              > >
              > > "But we consider an out-of-town shopping centre to be a threat to
              > > that vibrancy.
              > >
              > > "I'm surprised to see this strong link. It appears that the duchy
              > > and Waitrose are putting their own interests before those of Truro."
              > >
              > > The duchy's financial dealings are expected to come under closer
              > > scrutiny from the Commons Public Accounts Committee and a Private
              > > Members' Bill in the House of Lords demanding an overhaul of its
              > > structure and the distribution of surplus income to the people of
              > > Cornwall.
              > >
              > > Prince Charles's income in 2012 was £20.48 million, with £18.28
              > > million coming from the Duchy of Cornwall and £2.19 million from
              > > government departments and grants-in-aid.
              > >
              > > In all the Duchy of Cornwall owns some 131,000 acres of land in 23
              > > counties, including large swathes of Cornwall, Dartmoor and the
              > > Prince's Gloucestershire home of Highgrove.
              > >
              > > A spokesman said of the Waitrose depot: "The property acquired was
              > > a commercial property investment and it is not related to Duchy
              > > Originals. It is a coincidence that Waitrose is the tenant."
              > >
              > >
              > > Revealed: Prince Charles's secret property deals - including £38
              > > million industrial carbuncle
              > > http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/revealed-prince-
              > > charless-secret-property-deals--including-38-million-industrial-
              > > carbuncle-8659596.html
              > >
              > >
              > > BBC fails in bid to have critical clip removed from YouTube
              > > following copyright complaint
              > > http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/bbc-fails-bid-have-critical-clip-
              > > removed-youtube-following-copyright-complaint
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > >
              > > ------------------------------------
              > >
              > > Diggers350 - an e-mail discussion/information-share list for
              > > campaigners and members of THE LAND IS OURS landrights network
              > > based in the UK
              > > http://www.tlio.org.uk
              > > http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Land-Is-Ours-a-landrights-
              > > campaign-for-Britain/125281497524632
              > >
              > > The list was originally concerned with the 350th anniversary of The
              > > Diggers (& still is concerned with their history). The Diggers
              > > appeared at the end of the English Civil war with a noble mission
              > > to make the earth 'a common treasury for all'. In the spring of
              > > 1999 there were celebrations to remember the Diggers vision and
              > > their contribution.
              > >
              > > TASH FROM THE HILL
              > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWk9rRJsk5I
              > >
              > > THE LAND MAGAZINE
              > > Simon Fairlie still produces The Land magazine every 6 months or so.
              > > Subsription is £18 (£15 unwaged) or £4 for a single edition
              > > http://www.thelandmagazine.org.uk/
              > >
              > > THE SCYTHE SHOP (advertisement)
              > > There is a revival of scything in the UK. Scything summer growth by
              > > hand is usually quicker than using a strimmer, and there is no
              > > noise, vibration or pollution. http://www.thescytheshop.co.uk/
              > >
              > > Die Pride and Envie; Flesh, take the poor's advice.
              > > Covetousnesse be gon: Come, Truth and Love arise.
              > > Patience take the Crown; throw Anger out of dores:
              > > Cast out Hypocrisie and Lust, which follows whores:
              > > Then England sit in rest; Thy sorrows will have end;
              > > Thy Sons will live in peace, and each will be a friend.
              > > http://www.bilderberg.org/land/gift.htm
              > >
              > > Woe to those who join house to house and field to field, until
              > > there is no more room, and you are made to dwell alone in the midst
              > > of the land. Yahweh of heaven's armies has sworn in my hearing:
              > > "Surely many houses shall be desolate, large and beautiful houses,
              > > without inhabitant." Isaiah 5:8-9
              > >
              > > http://www.downingstreetmemo.comYahoo! Groups Links
              > >
              > >
              > >
              >
            • Linda Beamish
              It s all PR really isn t it - if he can pull the wool over people s eyes he will, (although personally, I don t imagine he has much say in the matter, like
              Message 6 of 10 , Jun 22, 2013
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                It's all PR really isn't it - if he can 'pull the wool' over people's eyes he will, (although personally, I don't imagine he has much say in the matter, like so many people with their best-socked feet in their nice shiny brogues, someone somewhere else is really pulling their strings).

                I agree with Tony, I don't think Charles has a 'Hippy Heart' at all - if he had, he wouldn't get so upset when his toothbrush was facing the 'wrong' direction!  (And I don't think much of the prince's Mayday Network either.)

                I'm afraid that I stick by what I said in a (fairly) heated debate in the 1970s held with a Royalist who stated that the Royal family did a lot of good work - and bought a lot of revenue into the UK through tourism.  (I'm afraid that I said that they could do just the same without costing us so much revenue if they were on display somewhere - I.E. London Zoo or Madame Tussauds.)

                Taxing the peasants to pay for the rich really should have died a death with the dinosaurs - especially after the UK adopted Agenda 21 - which, while not perfect to some people's view (I know), went a long way to (try to) protect the rights of us poor rural folk.

                As TG said, if the Queen were to give back the land which her ancestors stole from everyone over the centuries - there wouldn't be any child poverty in the world anyway (or at least there would be a lot less poverty and child poverty than there is right now).

                God help us all when solar winter befalls us (all) - especially all of us who own nothing at all!

                One person can't own a planet - or even half a planet or a huge percentage of a planet - it should be against the law.

                If there isn't a ceiling - there isn't a floor! 

                L.

                In order to create a level playing field - we cannot have a finances which go from top to bottom without any stops at either end - we need to level it and create ethical banding/s.  (As Avril Fox - author of Green Design says in her autobiography 'The Long Road to Realism', we have to cap incomes - in order to create an ethical and vibrant 'Green Economy'.)

                If Charles had a hippy heart - he'd pass over his wealth to his community (globally) - and make peace, not war.


                From: Zardoz <tony@...>
                To: Diggers350@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 1:22 PM
                Subject: [Diggers350] Re: Is Prince Charles' 'Heart In The Right Place'?

                 
                The Duchy has no hippy heart and he runs it.
                Don't you think the hippy stuff is something of a cover?
                All the top super rich impoverisher sociopaths do this PR.
                Charles has a massive PR operation costing around £500k anually, both proactive visiting Dr Who sets etc etc and a small army of lawyers to detect negative stories before they emerge and issue legal threats to stop publication.
                Here's just one old article illustrating this

                Hard up, Charles? Who do you think you're kidding?
                http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/columnists/article-229027/Hard-Charles-Who-think-youre-kidding.html

                I suppose the point of this is to get a good review in The Land of Charles' Harmony book, his 'vision for Britain'.

                Poundbury in a small way sums it up. So why not a genuine C21 ecovillage such as the Ecoville 2000 project Roger Kelly from CAT and Richard St George from Schumacher Society designed? Giving the residents genuine freedom and autonomy. A real vision for the future.

                This could be Britain's gift to the world if Charles were a real libertarian in any way - which I believe he isn't. His is a fake eco vision which totally sells out to the same money system which is destroying society and the planet.

                T

                --- In Diggers350@yahoogroups.com, Simon Fairlie <chapter7@...> wrote:
                >
                > I'd be prepared to defend Prince Charles' basically hippy heart, to
                > an extent , but not the Duchy.
                >
                > Simon
                >
                > On 21 Jun 2013, at 23:31, Zardoz wrote:
                >
                > > Happy solstice all who were and were not at Avebury.
                > >
                > > Steward of many of our hopes for land justice and editor of 'The
                > > Land' Simon has said here the Prince Of Wales's 'heart is in the
                > > right place'?
                > > Well maybe he's a charming man, I've never met him, but haven't yet
                > > seen a review on Charles' book 'Harmony', a vision for Britain in
                > > the mag. Might be interesting?
                > >
                > > Tony
                > >
                > >
                > > New questions over relationship between Prince Charles and Waitrose
                > > http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/New-questions-relationship-Prince-
                > > Charles/story-19339931-detail/story.html
                > >
                > > Thursday, June 20, 2013 - West Briton - By Miles Davis, West Briton
                > >
                > > NEW QUESTIONS have been raised over the relationship between the
                > > Prince of Wales and Waitrose and a property deal that would
                > > transform the east of Truro.
                > >
                > > It has emerged that Prince Charles paid more than £38 million for a
                > > depot in Milton Keynes used by the chain. The Duchy of Cornwall,
                > > which represents the Prince's business interests, is a key player
                > > in the Truro Eastern District Centre (TEDC) project that would see
                > > a Waitrose built along with a park and ride, 110 homes and a
                > > recycling centre at the junction of Union Hill and Newquay Road.
                > >
                > > A spokesman for the Prince dismissed any presumed connection
                > > between the duchy and Waitrose as "coincidence".
                > >
                > > The deal for the duchy to buy the 396,000sq ft warehouse at Milton
                > > Keynes was completed 18 months ago at a cost of £38,385,500, as
                > > reported by the Independent newspaper.
                > >
                > > Waitrose leases it as a lorry distribution hub.
                > >
                > > Plans for the controversial TEDC were approved by Cornwall Council
                > > in March 2012 but that planning consent now faces a judicial review
                > > brought by Truro City Council.
                > >
                > > Councillor Rob Nolan, member of Truro City Council and Cornwall
                > > Council, said: "The city council is keen to maintain the vibrancy
                > > of the high street in Truro and would welcome Waitrose into the
                > > city centre.
                > >
                > > "But we consider an out-of-town shopping centre to be a threat to
                > > that vibrancy.
                > >
                > > "I'm surprised to see this strong link. It appears that the duchy
                > > and Waitrose are putting their own interests before those of Truro."
                > >
                > > The duchy's financial dealings are expected to come under closer
                > > scrutiny from the Commons Public Accounts Committee and a Private
                > > Members' Bill in the House of Lords demanding an overhaul of its
                > > structure and the distribution of surplus income to the people of
                > > Cornwall.
                > >
                > > Prince Charles's income in 2012 was £20.48 million, with £18.28
                > > million coming from the Duchy of Cornwall and £2.19 million from
                > > government departments and grants-in-aid.
                > >
                > > In all the Duchy of Cornwall owns some 131,000 acres of land in 23
                > > counties, including large swathes of Cornwall, Dartmoor and the
                > > Prince's Gloucestershire home of Highgrove.
                > >
                > > A spokesman said of the Waitrose depot: "The property acquired was
                > > a commercial property investment and it is not related to Duchy
                > > Originals. It is a coincidence that Waitrose is the tenant."
                > >
                > >
                > > Revealed: Prince Charles's secret property deals - including £38
                > > million industrial carbuncle
                > > http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/revealed-prince-
                > > charless-secret-property-deals--including-38-million-industrial-
                > > carbuncle-8659596.html
                > >
                > >
                > > BBC fails in bid to have critical clip removed from YouTube
                > > following copyright complaint
                > > http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/bbc-fails-bid-have-critical-clip-
                > > removed-youtube-following-copyright-complaint
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > >
                > > ------------------------------------
                > >
                > > Diggers350 - an e-mail discussion/information-share list for
                > > campaigners and members of THE LAND IS OURS landrights network
                > > based in the UK
                > > http://www.tlio.org.uk
                > > http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Land-Is-Ours-a-landrights-
                > > campaign-for-Britain/125281497524632
                > >
                > > The list was originally concerned with the 350th anniversary of The
                > > Diggers (& still is concerned with their history). The Diggers
                > > appeared at the end of the English Civil war with a noble mission
                > > to make the earth 'a common treasury for all'. In the spring of
                > > 1999 there were celebrations to remember the Diggers vision and
                > > their contribution.
                > >
                > > TASH FROM THE HILL
                > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWk9rRJsk5I
                > >
                > > THE LAND MAGAZINE
                > > Simon Fairlie still produces The Land magazine every 6 months or so.
                > > Subsription is £18 (£15 unwaged) or £4 for a single edition
                > > http://www.thelandmagazine.org.uk/
                > >
                > > THE SCYTHE SHOP (advertisement)
                > > There is a revival of scything in the UK. Scything summer growth by
                > > hand is usually quicker than using a strimmer, and there is no
                > > noise, vibration or pollution. http://www.thescytheshop.co.uk/
                > >
                > > Die Pride and Envie; Flesh, take the poor's advice.
                > > Covetousnesse be gon: Come, Truth and Love arise.
                > > Patience take the Crown; throw Anger out of dores:
                > > Cast out Hypocrisie and Lust, which follows whores:
                > > Then England sit in rest; Thy sorrows will have end;
                > > Thy Sons will live in peace, and each will be a friend.
                > > http://www.bilderberg.org/land/gift.htm
                > >
                > > Woe to those who join house to house and field to field, until
                > > there is no more room, and you are made to dwell alone in the midst
                > > of the land. Yahweh of heaven's armies has sworn in my hearing:
                > > "Surely many houses shall be desolate, large and beautiful houses,
                > > without inhabitant." Isaiah 5:8-9
                > >
                > > http://www.downingstreetmemo.comYahoo! Groups Links
                > >
                > >
                > >
                >



              • greenwomble
                A green aristocratic land with rulers and peasants as it used to be in the much more sensible past pre the rise of the merchant class, pre 1750. Sums it up I
                Message 7 of 10 , Jun 22, 2013
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                  A green aristocratic land with rulers and peasants as it used to be in
                  the much more sensible past pre the rise of the merchant class, pre
                  1750. Sums it up I think. :-) frank

                  On 22/06/2013, Linda Beamish <linda.beamish@...> wrote:
                  > It's all PR really isn't it - if he can 'pull the wool' over people's eyes
                  > he will, (although personally, I don't imagine he has much say in the
                  > matter, like so many people with their best-socked feet in their nice shiny
                  > brogues, someone somewhere else is really pulling their strings).
                  >
                  > I agree with Tony, I don't think Charles has a 'Hippy Heart' at all - if he
                  > had, he wouldn't get so upset when his toothbrush was facing the 'wrong'
                  > direction!  (And I don't think much of the prince's Mayday Network either.)
                  >
                  > I'm afraid that I stick by what I said in a (fairly) heated debate in the
                  > 1970s held with a Royalist who stated that the Royal family did a lot of
                  > good work - and bought a lot of revenue into the UK through tourism.  (I'm
                  > afraid that I said that they could do just the same without costing us so
                  > much revenue if they were on display somewhere - I.E. London Zoo or Madame
                  > Tussauds.)
                  >
                  > Taxing the peasants to pay for the rich really should have died a death with
                  > the dinosaurs - especially after the UK adopted Agenda 21 - which, while not
                  > perfect to some people's view (I know), went a long way to (try to) protect
                  > the rights of us poor rural folk.
                  >
                  > As TG said, if the Queen were to give back the land which her ancestors
                  > stole from everyone over the centuries - there wouldn't be any child poverty
                  > in the world anyway (or at least there would be a lot less poverty and child
                  > poverty than there is right now).
                  >
                  > God help us all when solar winter befalls us (all) - especially all of us
                  > who own nothing at all!
                  >
                  > One person can't own a planet - or even half a planet or a huge percentage
                  > of a planet - it should be against the law.
                  >
                  > If there isn't a ceiling - there isn't a floor!
                  >
                  > L.
                  >
                  > In order to create a level playing field - we cannot have a finances which
                  > go from top to bottom without any stops at either end - we need to level it
                  > and create ethical banding/s.  (As Avril Fox - author of Green Design says
                  > in her autobiography 'The Long Road to Realism', we have to cap incomes - in
                  > order to create an ethical and vibrant 'Green Economy'.)
                  >
                  > If Charles had a hippy heart - he'd pass over his wealth to his community
                  > (globally) - and make peace, not war.
                  >
                  >
                  > ________________________________
                  > From: Zardoz <tony@...>
                  > To: Diggers350@yahoogroups.com
                  > Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 1:22 PM
                  > Subject: [Diggers350] Re: Is Prince Charles' 'Heart In The Right Place'?
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  > The Duchy has no hippy heart and he runs it.
                  > Don't you think the hippy stuff is something of a cover?
                  > All the top super rich impoverisher sociopaths do this PR.
                  > Charles has a massive PR operation costing around £500k anually, both
                  > proactive visiting Dr Who sets etc etc and a small army of lawyers to detect
                  > negative stories before they emerge and issue legal threats to stop
                  > publication.
                  > Here's just one old article illustrating this
                  >
                  > Hard up, Charles? Who do you think you're kidding?
                  > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/columnists/article-229027/Hard-Charles-Who-think-youre-kidding.html
                  >
                  > I suppose the point of this is to get a good review in The Land of Charles'
                  > Harmony book, his 'vision for Britain'.
                  >
                  > Poundbury in a small way sums it up. So why not a genuine C21 ecovillage
                  > such as the Ecoville 2000 project Roger Kelly from CAT and Richard St George
                  > from Schumacher Society designed? Giving the residents genuine freedom and
                  > autonomy. A real vision for the future.
                  >
                  > This could be Britain's gift to the world if Charles were a real libertarian
                  > in any way - which I believe he isn't. His is a fake eco vision which
                  > totally sells out to the same money system which is destroying society and
                  > the planet.
                  >
                  > T
                  >
                  > --- In Diggers350@yahoogroups.com, Simon Fairlie <chapter7@...> wrote:
                  >>
                  >> I'd be prepared to defend Prince Charles' basically hippy heart, to
                  >> an extent , but not the Duchy.
                  >>
                  >> Simon
                  >>
                  >> On 21 Jun 2013, at 23:31, Zardoz wrote:
                  >>
                  >> > Happy solstice all who were and were not at Avebury.
                  >> >
                  >> > Steward of many of our hopes for land justice and editor of 'The
                  >> > Land' Simon has said here the Prince Of Wales's 'heart is in the
                  >> > right place'?
                  >> > Well maybe he's a charming man, I've never met him, but haven't yet
                  >> > seen a review on Charles' book 'Harmony', a vision for Britain in
                  >> > the mag. Might be interesting?
                  >> >
                  >> > Tony
                  >> >
                  >> >
                  >> > New questions over relationship between Prince Charles and Waitrose
                  >> > http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/New-questions-relationship-Prince-
                  >> > Charles/story-19339931-detail/story.html
                  >> >
                  >> > Thursday, June 20, 2013 - West Briton - By Miles Davis, West Briton
                  >> >
                  >> > NEW QUESTIONS have been raised over the relationship between the
                  >> > Prince of Wales and Waitrose and a property deal that would
                  >> > transform the east of Truro.
                  >> >
                  >> > It has emerged that Prince Charles paid more than £38 million for a
                  >> > depot in Milton Keynes used by the chain. The Duchy of Cornwall,
                  >> > which represents the Prince's business interests, is a key player
                  >> > in the Truro Eastern District Centre (TEDC) project that would see
                  >> > a Waitrose built along with a park and ride, 110 homes and a
                  >> > recycling centre at the junction of Union Hill and Newquay Road.
                  >> >
                  >> > A spokesman for the Prince dismissed any presumed connection
                  >> > between the duchy and Waitrose as "coincidence".
                  >> >
                  >> > The deal for the duchy to buy the 396,000sq ft warehouse at Milton
                  >> > Keynes was completed 18 months ago at a cost of £38,385,500, as
                  >> > reported by the Independent newspaper.
                  >> >
                  >> > Waitrose leases it as a lorry distribution hub.
                  >> >
                  >> > Plans for the controversial TEDC were approved by Cornwall Council
                  >> > in March 2012 but that planning consent now faces a judicial review
                  >> > brought by Truro City Council.
                  >> >
                  >> > Councillor Rob Nolan, member of Truro City Council and Cornwall
                  >> > Council, said: "The city council is keen to maintain the vibrancy
                  >> > of the high street in Truro and would welcome Waitrose into the
                  >> > city centre.
                  >> >
                  >> > "But we consider an out-of-town shopping centre to be a threat to
                  >> > that vibrancy.
                  >> >
                  >> > "I'm surprised to see this strong link. It appears that the duchy
                  >> > and Waitrose are putting their own interests before those of Truro."
                  >> >
                  >> > The duchy's financial dealings are expected to come under closer
                  >> > scrutiny from the Commons Public Accounts Committee and a Private
                  >> > Members' Bill in the House of Lords demanding an overhaul of its
                  >> > structure and the distribution of surplus income to the people of
                  >> > Cornwall.
                  >> >
                  >> > Prince Charles's income in 2012 was £20.48 million, with £18.28
                  >> > million coming from the Duchy of Cornwall and £2.19 million from
                  >> > government departments and grants-in-aid.
                  >> >
                  >> > In all the Duchy of Cornwall owns some 131,000 acres of land in 23
                  >> > counties, including large swathes of Cornwall, Dartmoor and the
                  >> > Prince's Gloucestershire home of Highgrove.
                  >> >
                  >> > A spokesman said of the Waitrose depot: "The property acquired was
                  >> > a commercial property investment and it is not related to Duchy
                  >> > Originals. It is a coincidence that Waitrose is the tenant."
                  >> >
                  >> >
                  >> > Revealed: Prince Charles's secret property deals - including £38
                  >> > million industrial carbuncle
                  >> > http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/revealed-prince-
                  >> > charless-secret-property-deals--including-38-million-industrial-
                  >> > carbuncle-8659596.html
                  >> >
                  >> >
                  >> > BBC fails in bid to have critical clip removed from YouTube
                  >> > following copyright complaint
                  >> > http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/bbc-fails-bid-have-critical-clip-
                  >> > removed-youtube-following-copyright-complaint
                  >> >
                  >> >
                  >> >
                  >> >
                  >> > ------------------------------------
                  >> >
                  >> > Diggers350 - an e-mail discussion/information-share list for
                  >> > campaigners and members of THE LAND IS OURS landrights network
                  >> > based in the UK
                  >> > http://www.tlio.org.uk
                  >> > http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Land-Is-Ours-a-landrights-
                  >> > campaign-for-Britain/125281497524632
                  >> >
                  >> > The list was originally concerned with the 350th anniversary of The
                  >> > Diggers (& still is concerned with their history). The Diggers
                  >> > appeared at the end of the English Civil war with a noble mission
                  >> > to make the earth 'a common treasury for all'. In the spring of
                  >> > 1999 there were celebrations to remember the Diggers vision and
                  >> > their contribution.
                  >> >
                  >> > TASH FROM THE HILL
                  >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWk9rRJsk5I
                  >> >
                  >> > THE LAND MAGAZINE
                  >> > Simon Fairlie still produces The Land magazine every 6 months or so.
                  >> > Subsription is £18 (£15 unwaged) or £4 for a single edition
                  >> > http://www.thelandmagazine.org.uk/
                  >> >
                  >> > THE SCYTHE SHOP (advertisement)
                  >> > There is a revival of scything in the UK. Scything summer growth by
                  >> > hand is usually quicker than using a strimmer, and there is no
                  >> > noise, vibration or pollution. http://www.thescytheshop.co.uk/
                  >> >
                  >> > Die Pride and Envie; Flesh, take the poor's advice.
                  >> > Covetousnesse be gon: Come, Truth and Love arise.
                  >> > Patience take the Crown; throw Anger out of dores:
                  >> > Cast out Hypocrisie and Lust, which follows whores:
                  >> > Then England sit in rest; Thy sorrows will have end;
                  >> > Thy Sons will live in peace, and each will be a friend.
                  >> > http://www.bilderberg.org/land/gift.htm
                  >> >
                  >> > Woe to those who join house to house and field to field, until
                  >> > there is no more room, and you are made to dwell alone in the midst
                  >> > of the land. Yahweh of heaven's armies has sworn in my hearing:
                  >> > "Surely many houses shall be desolate, large and beautiful houses,
                  >> > without inhabitant." Isaiah 5:8-9
                  >> >
                  >> > http://www.downingstreetmemo.comYahoo! Groups Links
                  >> >
                  >> >
                  >> >
                  >>
                  >
                  >
                  >


                  --
                  It's a revolution. But it's the sort of revolution , more of an
                  evolution that no one will notice. It might get a little shadier, or
                  brighter. Buildings might function better. You might have less money
                  to earn because your food is all around you and you don't have any
                  energy costs. and more people will be fed, as more land and
                  resources, kept scarce for the dollar, for the abundance called glut,
                  will be shared.
                • Brendan Boal
                  It is a mistake to hate individual royals rather than the system for which accident of birth has selected them. The personal qualities of Prince Charles are
                  Message 8 of 10 , Jun 22, 2013
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                    It is a mistake to hate individual royals rather than the system for which accident of birth has selected them. The personal qualities of Prince Charles are not the issue, rather, we should concern ourselves with the rotten edifice of privilege and exclusion that underpins the mal-distribution wealth and power. It is the power behind the throne that creates and sustains this situation, therefore, to pour bile on hapless public royals is not only small-minded, it misses the point.
                    For what it's worth, I have spoken with more than one person who has had direct contact with him and they tend to confirm the impression that he is at least the best of a bad bunch. In an ideal word we would confiscate all stolen wealth and redistribute title to land in fair sized portions to as many people as could get a decent living from it. We could then invest sovereignty in truly democratic institutions, and as a private citizen in a democracy, Charles Windsor could do as he pleases, say whatever he liked to whoever would listen, and marry whoever he wanted to.

                    Brendan.



                    From: Linda Beamish <linda.beamish@...>
                    To: Zardoz <tony@...>; "Diggers350@yahoogroups.com" <Diggers350@yahoogroups.com>
                    Sent: Saturday, 22 June 2013, 15:00
                    Subject: Re: [Diggers350] Re: Is Prince Charles' 'Heart In The Right Place'?

                     
                    It's all PR really isn't it - if he can 'pull the wool' over people's eyes he will, (although personally, I don't imagine he has much say in the matter, like so many people with their best-socked feet in their nice shiny brogues, someone somewhere else is really pulling their strings).

                    I agree with Tony, I don't think Charles has a 'Hippy Heart' at all - if he had, he wouldn't get so upset when his toothbrush was facing the 'wrong' direction!  (And I don't think much of the prince's Mayday Network either.)

                    I'm afraid that I stick by what I said in a (fairly) heated debate in the 1970s held with a Royalist who stated that the Royal family did a lot of good work - and bought a lot of revenue into the UK through tourism.  (I'm afraid that I said that they could do just the same without costing us so much revenue if they were on display somewhere - I.E. London Zoo or Madame Tussauds.)

                    Taxing the peasants to pay for the rich really should have died a death with the dinosaurs - especially after the UK adopted Agenda 21 - which, while not perfect to some people's view (I know), went a long way to (try to) protect the rights of us poor rural folk.

                    As TG said, if the Queen were to give back the land which her ancestors stole from everyone over the centuries - there wouldn't be any child poverty in the world anyway (or at least there would be a lot less poverty and child poverty than there is right now).

                    God help us all when solar winter befalls us (all) - especially all of us who own nothing at all!

                    One person can't own a planet - or even half a planet or a huge percentage of a planet - it should be against the law.

                    If there isn't a ceiling - there isn't a floor! 

                    L.

                    In order to create a level playing field - we cannot have a finances which go from top to bottom without any stops at either end - we need to level it and create ethical banding/s.  (As Avril Fox - author of Green Design says in her autobiography 'The Long Road to Realism', we have to cap incomes - in order to create an ethical and vibrant 'Green Economy'.)

                    If Charles had a hippy heart - he'd pass over his wealth to his community (globally) - and make peace, not war.


                    From: Zardoz <tony@...>
                    To: Diggers350@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 1:22 PM
                    Subject: [Diggers350] Re: Is Prince Charles' 'Heart In The Right Place'?

                     
                    The Duchy has no hippy heart and he runs it.
                    Don't you think the hippy stuff is something of a cover?
                    All the top super rich impoverisher sociopaths do this PR.
                    Charles has a massive PR operation costing around £500k anually, both proactive visiting Dr Who sets etc etc and a small army of lawyers to detect negative stories before they emerge and issue legal threats to stop publication.
                    Here's just one old article illustrating this

                    Hard up, Charles? Who do you think you're kidding?
                    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/columnists/article-229027/Hard-Charles-Who-think-youre-kidding.html

                    I suppose the point of this is to get a good review in The Land of Charles' Harmony book, his 'vision for Britain'.

                    Poundbury in a small way sums it up. So why not a genuine C21 ecovillage such as the Ecoville 2000 project Roger Kelly from CAT and Richard St George from Schumacher Society designed? Giving the residents genuine freedom and autonomy. A real vision for the future.

                    This could be Britain's gift to the world if Charles were a real libertarian in any way - which I believe he isn't. His is a fake eco vision which totally sells out to the same money system which is destroying society and the planet.

                    T

                    --- In Diggers350@yahoogroups.com, Simon Fairlie <chapter7@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > I'd be prepared to defend Prince Charles' basically hippy heart, to
                    > an extent , but not the Duchy.
                    >
                    > Simon
                    >
                    > On 21 Jun 2013, at 23:31, Zardoz wrote:
                    >
                    > > Happy solstice all who were and were not at Avebury.
                    > >
                    > > Steward of many of our hopes for land justice and editor of 'The
                    > > Land' Simon has said here the Prince Of Wales's 'heart is in the
                    > > right place'?
                    > > Well maybe he's a charming man, I've never met him, but haven't yet
                    > > seen a review on Charles' book 'Harmony', a vision for Britain in
                    > > the mag. Might be interesting?
                    > >
                    > > Tony
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > New questions over relationship between Prince Charles and Waitrose
                    > > http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/New-questions-relationship-Prince-
                    > > Charles/story-19339931-detail/story.html
                    > >
                    > > Thursday, June 20, 2013 - West Briton - By Miles Davis, West Briton
                    > >
                    > > NEW QUESTIONS have been raised over the relationship between the
                    > > Prince of Wales and Waitrose and a property deal that would
                    > > transform the east of Truro.
                    > >
                    > > It has emerged that Prince Charles paid more than £38 million for a
                    > > depot in Milton Keynes used by the chain. The Duchy of Cornwall,
                    > > which represents the Prince's business interests, is a key player
                    > > in the Truro Eastern District Centre (TEDC) project that would see
                    > > a Waitrose built along with a park and ride, 110 homes and a
                    > > recycling centre at the junction of Union Hill and Newquay Road.
                    > >
                    > > A spokesman for the Prince dismissed any presumed connection
                    > > between the duchy and Waitrose as "coincidence".
                    > >
                    > > The deal for the duchy to buy the 396,000sq ft warehouse at Milton
                    > > Keynes was completed 18 months ago at a cost of £38,385,500, as
                    > > reported by the Independent newspaper.
                    > >
                    > > Waitrose leases it as a lorry distribution hub.
                    > >
                    > > Plans for the controversial TEDC were approved by Cornwall Council
                    > > in March 2012 but that planning consent now faces a judicial review
                    > > brought by Truro City Council.
                    > >
                    > > Councillor Rob Nolan, member of Truro City Council and Cornwall
                    > > Council, said: "The city council is keen to maintain the vibrancy
                    > > of the high street in Truro and would welcome Waitrose into the
                    > > city centre.
                    > >
                    > > "But we consider an out-of-town shopping centre to be a threat to
                    > > that vibrancy.
                    > >
                    > > "I'm surprised to see this strong link. It appears that the duchy
                    > > and Waitrose are putting their own interests before those of Truro."
                    > >
                    > > The duchy's financial dealings are expected to come under closer
                    > > scrutiny from the Commons Public Accounts Committee and a Private
                    > > Members' Bill in the House of Lords demanding an overhaul of its
                    > > structure and the distribution of surplus income to the people of
                    > > Cornwall.
                    > >
                    > > Prince Charles's income in 2012 was £20.48 million, with £18.28
                    > > million coming from the Duchy of Cornwall and £2.19 million from
                    > > government departments and grants-in-aid.
                    > >
                    > > In all the Duchy of Cornwall owns some 131,000 acres of land in 23
                    > > counties, including large swathes of Cornwall, Dartmoor and the
                    > > Prince's Gloucestershire home of Highgrove.
                    > >
                    > > A spokesman said of the Waitrose depot: "The property acquired was
                    > > a commercial property investment and it is not related to Duchy
                    > > Originals. It is a coincidence that Waitrose is the tenant."
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > Revealed: Prince Charles's secret property deals - including £38
                    > > million industrial carbuncle
                    > > http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/revealed-prince-
                    > > charless-secret-property-deals--including-38-million-industrial-
                    > > carbuncle-8659596.html
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > BBC fails in bid to have critical clip removed from YouTube
                    > > following copyright complaint
                    > > http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/bbc-fails-bid-have-critical-clip-
                    > > removed-youtube-following-copyright-complaint
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    > > ------------------------------------
                    > >
                    > > Diggers350 - an e-mail discussion/information-share list for
                    > > campaigners and members of THE LAND IS OURS landrights network
                    > > based in the UK
                    > > http://www.tlio.org.uk
                    > > http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Land-Is-Ours-a-landrights-
                    > > campaign-for-Britain/125281497524632
                    > >
                    > > The list was originally concerned with the 350th anniversary of The
                    > > Diggers (& still is concerned with their history). The Diggers
                    > > appeared at the end of the English Civil war with a noble mission
                    > > to make the earth 'a common treasury for all'. In the spring of
                    > > 1999 there were celebrations to remember the Diggers vision and
                    > > their contribution.
                    > >
                    > > TASH FROM THE HILL
                    > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWk9rRJsk5I
                    > >
                    > > THE LAND MAGAZINE
                    > > Simon Fairlie still produces The Land magazine every 6 months or so.
                    > > Subsription is £18 (£15 unwaged) or £4 for a single edition
                    > > http://www.thelandmagazine.org.uk/
                    > >
                    > > THE SCYTHE SHOP (advertisement)
                    > > There is a revival of scything in the UK. Scything summer growth by
                    > > hand is usually quicker than using a strimmer, and there is no
                    > > noise, vibration or pollution. http://www.thescytheshop.co.uk/
                    > >
                    > > Die Pride and Envie; Flesh, take the poor's advice.
                    > > Covetousnesse be gon: Come, Truth and Love arise.
                    > > Patience take the Crown; throw Anger out of dores:
                    > > Cast out Hypocrisie and Lust, which follows whores:
                    > > Then England sit in rest; Thy sorrows will have end;
                    > > Thy Sons will live in peace, and each will be a friend.
                    > > http://www.bilderberg.org/land/gift.htm
                    > >
                    > > Woe to those who join house to house and field to field, until
                    > > there is no more room, and you are made to dwell alone in the midst
                    > > of the land. Yahweh of heaven's armies has sworn in my hearing:
                    > > "Surely many houses shall be desolate, large and beautiful houses,
                    > > without inhabitant." Isaiah 5:8-9
                    > >
                    > > http://www.downingstreetmemo.comYahoo! Groups Links
                    > >
                    > >
                    > >
                    >





                  • greenwomble
                    Now what was that I heard about the new world order. A clean green planet with a billon people populated with the Aristocracy and their surfs. In other words
                    Message 9 of 10 , Jun 24, 2013
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                      Now what was that I heard about the new world order. A clean green
                      planet with a billon people populated with the Aristocracy and their
                      surfs.

                      In other words the Gang, the leaders, the winners of the RACE
                      (PYRAMID) and their services.

                      On a planet that will sustain Them.

                      ...............................

                      As far as I can tell this whole thread has been educationally
                      objective and most useful, with only one contributor taking any
                      emotionally subjective stance! :-)



                      On 22/06/2013, Brendan Boal <b_m_boal@...> wrote:
                      > It is a mistake to hate individual royals rather than the system for which
                      > accident of birth has selected them. The personal qualities of Prince
                      > Charles are not the issue, rather, we should concern ourselves with the
                      > rotten edifice of privilege and exclusion that underpins the
                      > mal-distribution wealth and power. It is the power behind the throne that
                      > creates and sustains this situation, therefore, to pour bile on hapless
                      > public royals is not only small-minded, it misses the point.
                      > For what it's worth, I have spoken with more than one person who has had
                      > direct contact with him and they tend to confirm the impression that he is
                      > at least the best of a bad bunch. In an ideal word we would confiscate all
                      > stolen wealth and redistribute title to land in fair sized portions to as
                      > many people as could get a decent living from it. We could then invest
                      > sovereignty in truly democratic institutions, and as a private citizen in a
                      > democracy, Charles Windsor could do as he pleases, say whatever he liked to
                      > whoever would listen, and marry whoever he wanted to.
                      >
                      > Brendan.
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > ________________________________
                      > From: Linda Beamish <linda.beamish@...>
                      > To: Zardoz <tony@...>; "Diggers350@yahoogroups.com"
                      > <Diggers350@yahoogroups.com>
                      > Sent: Saturday, 22 June 2013, 15:00
                      > Subject: Re: [Diggers350] Re: Is Prince Charles' 'Heart In The Right
                      > Place'?
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > It's all PR really isn't it - if he can 'pull the wool' over people's eyes
                      > he will, (although personally, I don't imagine he has much say in the
                      > matter, like so many people with their best-socked feet in their nice shiny
                      > brogues, someone somewhere else is really pulling their strings).
                      >
                      > I agree with Tony, I don't think Charles has a 'Hippy Heart' at all - if he
                      > had, he wouldn't get so upset when his toothbrush was facing the 'wrong'
                      > direction!  (And I don't think much of the prince's Mayday Network either.)
                      >
                      > I'm afraid that I stick by what I said in a (fairly) heated debate in the
                      > 1970s held with a Royalist who stated that the Royal family did a lot of
                      > good work - and bought a lot of revenue into the UK through tourism.  (I'm
                      > afraid that I said that they could do just the same without costing us so
                      > much revenue if they were on display somewhere - I.E. London Zoo or Madame
                      > Tussauds.)
                      >
                      > Taxing the peasants to pay for the rich really should have died a death with
                      > the dinosaurs - especially after the UK adopted Agenda 21 - which, while not
                      > perfect to some people's view (I know), went a long way to (try to) protect
                      > the rights of us poor rural folk.
                      >
                      > As TG said, if the Queen were to give back the land which her ancestors
                      > stole from everyone over the centuries - there wouldn't be any child poverty
                      > in the world anyway (or at least there would be a lot less poverty and child
                      > poverty than there is right now).
                      >
                      > God help us all when solar winter befalls us (all) - especially all of us
                      > who own nothing at all!
                      >
                      > One person can't own a planet - or even half a planet or a huge percentage
                      > of a planet - it should be against the law.
                      >
                      > If there isn't a ceiling - there isn't a floor!
                      >
                      > L.
                      >
                      > In order to create a level playing field - we cannot have a finances which
                      > go from top to bottom without any stops at either end - we need to level it
                      > and create ethical banding/s.  (As Avril Fox - author of Green Design says
                      > in her autobiography 'The Long Road to Realism', we have to cap incomes - in
                      > order to create an ethical and vibrant 'Green Economy'.)
                      >
                      > If Charles had a hippy heart - he'd pass over his wealth to his community
                      > (globally) - and make peace, not war.
                      >
                      >
                      > ________________________________
                      > From: Zardoz <tony@...>
                      > To: Diggers350@yahoogroups.com
                      > Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 1:22 PM
                      > Subject: [Diggers350] Re: Is Prince Charles' 'Heart In The Right Place'?
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > The Duchy has no hippy heart and he runs it.
                      > Don't you think the hippy stuff is something of a cover?
                      > All the top super rich impoverisher sociopaths do this PR.
                      > Charles has a massive PR operation costing around £500k anually, both
                      > proactive visiting Dr Who sets etc etc and a small army of lawyers to detect
                      > negative stories before they emerge and issue legal threats to stop
                      > publication.
                      > Here's just one old article illustrating this
                      >
                      > Hard up, Charles? Who do you think you're kidding?
                      > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/columnists/article-229027/Hard-Charles-Who-think-youre-kidding.html
                      >
                      > I suppose the point of this is to get a good review in The Land of Charles'
                      > Harmony book, his 'vision for Britain'.
                      >
                      > Poundbury in a small way sums it up. So why not a genuine C21 ecovillage
                      > such as the Ecoville 2000 project Roger Kelly from CAT and Richard St George
                      > from Schumacher Society designed? Giving the residents genuine freedom and
                      > autonomy. A real vision for the future.
                      >
                      > This could be Britain's gift to the world if Charles were a real libertarian
                      > in any way - which I believe he isn't. His is a fake eco vision which
                      > totally sells out to the same money system which is destroying society and
                      > the planet.
                      >
                      > T
                      >
                      > --- In Diggers350@yahoogroups.com, Simon Fairlie <chapter7@...> wrote:
                      >>
                      >> I'd be prepared to defend Prince Charles' basically hippy heart, to
                      >> an extent , but not the Duchy.
                      >>
                      >> Simon
                      >>
                      >> On 21 Jun 2013, at 23:31, Zardoz wrote:
                      >>
                      >> > Happy solstice all who were and were not at Avebury.
                      >> >
                      >> > Steward of many of our hopes for land justice and editor of 'The
                      >> > Land' Simon has said here the Prince Of Wales's 'heart is in the
                      >> > right place'?
                      >> > Well maybe he's a charming man, I've never met him, but haven't yet
                      >> > seen a review on Charles' book 'Harmony', a vision for Britain in
                      >> > the mag. Might be interesting?
                      >> >
                      >> > Tony
                      >> >
                      >> >
                      >> > New questions over relationship between Prince Charles and Waitrose
                      >> > http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/New-questions-relationship-Prince-
                      >> > Charles/story-19339931-detail/story.html
                      >> >
                      >> > Thursday, June 20, 2013 - West Briton - By Miles Davis, West Briton
                      >> >
                      >> > NEW QUESTIONS have been raised over the relationship between the
                      >> > Prince of Wales and Waitrose and a property deal that would
                      >> > transform the east of Truro.
                      >> >
                      >> > It has emerged that Prince Charles paid more than £38 million for a
                      >> > depot in Milton Keynes used by the chain. The Duchy of Cornwall,
                      >> > which represents the Prince's business interests, is a key player
                      >> > in the Truro Eastern District Centre (TEDC) project that would see
                      >> > a Waitrose built along with a park and ride, 110 homes and a
                      >> > recycling centre at the junction of Union Hill and Newquay Road.
                      >> >
                      >> > A spokesman for the Prince dismissed any presumed connection
                      >> > between the duchy and Waitrose as "coincidence".
                      >> >
                      >> > The deal for the duchy to buy the 396,000sq ft warehouse at Milton
                      >> > Keynes was completed 18 months ago at a cost of £38,385,500, as
                      >> > reported by the Independent newspaper.
                      >> >
                      >> > Waitrose leases it as a lorry distribution hub.
                      >> >
                      >> > Plans for the controversial TEDC were approved by Cornwall Council
                      >> > in March 2012 but that planning consent now faces a judicial review
                      >> > brought by Truro City Council.
                      >> >
                      >> > Councillor Rob Nolan, member of Truro City Council and Cornwall
                      >> > Council, said: "The city council is keen to maintain the vibrancy
                      >> > of the high street in Truro and would welcome Waitrose into the
                      >> > city centre.
                      >> >
                      >> > "But we consider an out-of-town shopping centre to be a threat to
                      >> > that vibrancy.
                      >> >
                      >> > "I'm surprised to see this strong link. It appears that the duchy
                      >> > and Waitrose are putting their own interests before those of Truro."
                      >> >
                      >> > The duchy's financial dealings are expected to come under closer
                      >> > scrutiny from the Commons Public Accounts Committee and a Private
                      >> > Members' Bill in the House of Lords demanding an overhaul of its
                      >> > structure and the distribution of surplus income to the people of
                      >> > Cornwall.
                      >> >
                      >> > Prince Charles's income in 2012 was £20.48 million, with £18.28
                      >> > million coming from the Duchy of Cornwall and £2.19 million from
                      >> > government departments and grants-in-aid.
                      >> >
                      >> > In all the Duchy of Cornwall owns some 131,000 acres of land in 23
                      >> > counties, including large swathes of Cornwall, Dartmoor and the
                      >> > Prince's Gloucestershire home of Highgrove.
                      >> >
                      >> > A spokesman said of the Waitrose depot: "The property acquired was
                      >> > a commercial property investment and it is not related to Duchy
                      >> > Originals. It is a coincidence that Waitrose is the tenant."
                      >> >
                      >> >
                      >> > Revealed: Prince Charles's secret property deals - including £38
                      >> > million industrial carbuncle
                      >> > http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/revealed-prince-
                      >> > charless-secret-property-deals--including-38-million-industrial-
                      >> > carbuncle-8659596.html
                      >> >
                      >> >
                      >> > BBC fails in bid to have critical clip removed from YouTube
                      >> > following copyright complaint
                      >> > http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/bbc-fails-bid-have-critical-clip-
                      >> > removed-youtube-following-copyright-complaint
                      >> >
                      >> >
                      >> >
                      >> >
                      >> > ------------------------------------
                      >> >
                      >> > Diggers350 - an e-mail discussion/information-share list for
                      >> > campaigners and members of THE LAND IS OURS landrights network
                      >> > based in the UK
                      >> > http://www.tlio.org.uk
                      >> > http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Land-Is-Ours-a-landrights-
                      >> > campaign-for-Britain/125281497524632
                      >> >
                      >> > The list was originally concerned with the 350th anniversary of The
                      >> > Diggers (& still is concerned with their history). The Diggers
                      >> > appeared at the end of the English Civil war with a noble mission
                      >> > to make the earth 'a common treasury for all'. In the spring of
                      >> > 1999 there were celebrations to remember the Diggers vision and
                      >> > their contribution.
                      >> >
                      >> > TASH FROM THE HILL
                      >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWk9rRJsk5I
                      >> >
                      >> > THE LAND MAGAZINE
                      >> > Simon Fairlie still produces The Land magazine every 6 months or so.
                      >> > Subsription is £18 (£15 unwaged) or £4 for a single edition
                      >> > http://www.thelandmagazine.org.uk/
                      >> >
                      >> > THE SCYTHE SHOP (advertisement)
                      >> > There is a revival of scything in the UK. Scything summer growth by
                      >> > hand is usually quicker than using a strimmer, and there is no
                      >> > noise, vibration or pollution. http://www.thescytheshop.co.uk/
                      >> >
                      >> > Die Pride and Envie; Flesh, take the poor's advice.
                      >> > Covetousnesse be gon: Come, Truth and Love arise.
                      >> > Patience take the Crown; throw Anger out of dores:
                      >> > Cast out Hypocrisie and Lust, which follows whores:
                      >> > Then England sit in rest; Thy sorrows will have end;
                      >> > Thy Sons will live in peace, and each will be a friend.
                      >> > http://www.bilderberg.org/land/gift.htm
                      >> >
                      >> > Woe to those who join house to house and field to field, until
                      >> > there is no more room, and you are made to dwell alone in the midst
                      >> > of the land. Yahweh of heaven's armies has sworn in my hearing:
                      >> > "Surely many houses shall be desolate, large and beautiful houses,
                      >> > without inhabitant." Isaiah 5:8-9
                      >> >
                      >> > http://www.downingstreetmemo.comYahoo! Groups Links
                      >> >
                      >> >
                      >> >
                      >>
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >


                      --
                      It's a revolution. But it's the sort of revolution , more of an
                      evolution that no one will notice. It might get a little shadier, or
                      brighter. Buildings might function better. You might have less money
                      to earn because your food is all around you and you don't have any
                      energy costs. and more people will be fed, as more land and
                      resources, kept scarce for the dollar, for the abundance called glut,
                      will be shared.
                    • Zardoz
                      Seems I m not the only one who s wondering how many more suicides and deaths of the landless will happen before the royals get lynched. The Stasi style police
                      Message 10 of 10 , Jun 24, 2013
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                        Seems I'm not the only one who's wondering how many more suicides and deaths of the landless will happen before the royals get lynched. The Stasi style police infiltrators are on the same slot tonight.

                        The Prince and His Secret Properties
                        Dispatches - Monday 1st July 2013 - Channel 4 - 9pm
                        http://www.channel4.com/programmes/dispatches/episode-guide/series-132/episode-1
                        In 2012 Prince Charles earned more than £18 million from the Duchy of Cornwall, but how much do we know about this secretive estate?
                        A Channel 4 Dispatches investigation reveals the scale of its hugely profitable property empire and looks at the amount of tax Prince Charles is paying.
                        As the heir to the throne, Prince Charles inherited the Duchy of Cornwall: a vast array of farming, residential and commercial land and properties, as well as a multi-million-pound financial investment portfolio.
                        Each year the duchy helps fund Prince Charles' princely lifestyle.
                        While the duchy's public image is one of rolling countryside estates, organic farms and classical architecture and environment, some of its investments tell a rather different story.
                        Reporter Antony Barnett takes a royal tour of some surprising properties that the duchy might prefer you not to know about.
                        With the tax arrangements of wealthy individuals and major corporations making headline news, these Dispatches findings come as Parliament's Public Accounts Committee prepares to launch its own inquiry into why, unlike other commercial businesses, the duchy does not pay corporation tax or capital gains tax.

                        --- In Diggers350@yahoogroups.com, greenwomble <greenwomble@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > Now what was that I heard about the new world order. A clean green
                        > planet with a billon people populated with the Aristocracy and their
                        > surfs.
                        >
                        > In other words the Gang, the leaders, the winners of the RACE
                        > (PYRAMID) and their services.
                        >
                        > On a planet that will sustain Them.
                        >
                        > ...............................
                        >
                        > As far as I can tell this whole thread has been educationally
                        > objective and most useful, with only one contributor taking any
                        > emotionally subjective stance! :-)
                        >
                        >
                        >
                        > On 22/06/2013, Brendan Boal <b_m_boal@...> wrote:
                        > > It is a mistake to hate individual royals rather than the system for which
                        > > accident of birth has selected them. The personal qualities of Prince
                        > > Charles are not the issue, rather, we should concern ourselves with the
                        > > rotten edifice of privilege and exclusion that underpins the
                        > > mal-distribution wealth and power. It is the power behind the throne that
                        > > creates and sustains this situation, therefore, to pour bile on hapless
                        > > public royals is not only small-minded, it misses the point.
                        > > For what it's worth, I have spoken with more than one person who has had
                        > > direct contact with him and they tend to confirm the impression that he is
                        > > at least the best of a bad bunch. In an ideal word we would confiscate all
                        > > stolen wealth and redistribute title to land in fair sized portions to as
                        > > many people as could get a decent living from it. We could then invest
                        > > sovereignty in truly democratic institutions, and as a private citizen in a
                        > > democracy, Charles Windsor could do as he pleases, say whatever he liked to
                        > > whoever would listen, and marry whoever he wanted to.
                        > >
                        > > Brendan.
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > ________________________________
                        > > From: Linda Beamish <linda.beamish@...>
                        > > To: Zardoz <tony@...>; "Diggers350@yahoogroups.com"
                        > > <Diggers350@yahoogroups.com>
                        > > Sent: Saturday, 22 June 2013, 15:00
                        > > Subject: Re: [Diggers350] Re: Is Prince Charles' 'Heart In The Right
                        > > Place'?
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > It's all PR really isn't it - if he can 'pull the wool' over people's eyes
                        > > he will, (although personally, I don't imagine he has much say in the
                        > > matter, like so many people with their best-socked feet in their nice shiny
                        > > brogues, someone somewhere else is really pulling their strings).
                        > >
                        > > I agree with Tony, I don't think Charles has a 'Hippy Heart' at all - if he
                        > > had, he wouldn't get so upset when his toothbrush was facing the 'wrong'
                        > > direction!  (And I don't think much of the prince's Mayday Network either.)
                        > >
                        > > I'm afraid that I stick by what I said in a (fairly) heated debate in the
                        > > 1970s held with a Royalist who stated that the Royal family did a lot of
                        > > good work - and bought a lot of revenue into the UK through tourism.  (I'm
                        > > afraid that I said that they could do just the same without costing us so
                        > > much revenue if they were on display somewhere - I.E. London Zoo or Madame
                        > > Tussauds.)
                        > >
                        > > Taxing the peasants to pay for the rich really should have died a death with
                        > > the dinosaurs - especially after the UK adopted Agenda 21 - which, while not
                        > > perfect to some people's view (I know), went a long way to (try to) protect
                        > > the rights of us poor rural folk.
                        > >
                        > > As TG said, if the Queen were to give back the land which her ancestors
                        > > stole from everyone over the centuries - there wouldn't be any child poverty
                        > > in the world anyway (or at least there would be a lot less poverty and child
                        > > poverty than there is right now).
                        > >
                        > > God help us all when solar winter befalls us (all) - especially all of us
                        > > who own nothing at all!
                        > >
                        > > One person can't own a planet - or even half a planet or a huge percentage
                        > > of a planet - it should be against the law.
                        > >
                        > > If there isn't a ceiling - there isn't a floor!
                        > >
                        > > L.
                        > >
                        > > In order to create a level playing field - we cannot have a finances which
                        > > go from top to bottom without any stops at either end - we need to level it
                        > > and create ethical banding/s.  (As Avril Fox - author of Green Design says
                        > > in her autobiography 'The Long Road to Realism', we have to cap incomes - in
                        > > order to create an ethical and vibrant 'Green Economy'.)
                        > >
                        > > If Charles had a hippy heart - he'd pass over his wealth to his community
                        > > (globally) - and make peace, not war.
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > ________________________________
                        > > From: Zardoz <tony@...>
                        > > To: Diggers350@yahoogroups.com
                        > > Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 1:22 PM
                        > > Subject: [Diggers350] Re: Is Prince Charles' 'Heart In The Right Place'?
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > > The Duchy has no hippy heart and he runs it.
                        > > Don't you think the hippy stuff is something of a cover?
                        > > All the top super rich impoverisher sociopaths do this PR.
                        > > Charles has a massive PR operation costing around £500k anually, both
                        > > proactive visiting Dr Who sets etc etc and a small army of lawyers to detect
                        > > negative stories before they emerge and issue legal threats to stop
                        > > publication.
                        > > Here's just one old article illustrating this
                        > >
                        > > Hard up, Charles? Who do you think you're kidding?
                        > > http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/columnists/article-229027/Hard-Charles-Who-think-youre-kidding.html
                        > >
                        > > I suppose the point of this is to get a good review in The Land of Charles'
                        > > Harmony book, his 'vision for Britain'.
                        > >
                        > > Poundbury in a small way sums it up. So why not a genuine C21 ecovillage
                        > > such as the Ecoville 2000 project Roger Kelly from CAT and Richard St George
                        > > from Schumacher Society designed? Giving the residents genuine freedom and
                        > > autonomy. A real vision for the future.
                        > >
                        > > This could be Britain's gift to the world if Charles were a real libertarian
                        > > in any way - which I believe he isn't. His is a fake eco vision which
                        > > totally sells out to the same money system which is destroying society and
                        > > the planet.
                        > >
                        > > T
                        > >
                        > > --- In Diggers350@yahoogroups.com, Simon Fairlie <chapter7@> wrote:
                        > >>
                        > >> I'd be prepared to defend Prince Charles' basically hippy heart, to
                        > >> an extent , but not the Duchy.
                        > >>
                        > >> Simon
                        > >>
                        > >> On 21 Jun 2013, at 23:31, Zardoz wrote:
                        > >>
                        > >> > Happy solstice all who were and were not at Avebury.
                        > >> >
                        > >> > Steward of many of our hopes for land justice and editor of 'The
                        > >> > Land' Simon has said here the Prince Of Wales's 'heart is in the
                        > >> > right place'?
                        > >> > Well maybe he's a charming man, I've never met him, but haven't yet
                        > >> > seen a review on Charles' book 'Harmony', a vision for Britain in
                        > >> > the mag. Might be interesting?
                        > >> >
                        > >> > Tony
                        > >> >
                        > >> >
                        > >> > New questions over relationship between Prince Charles and Waitrose
                        > >> > http://www.thisiscornwall.co.uk/New-questions-relationship-Prince-
                        > >> > Charles/story-19339931-detail/story.html
                        > >> >
                        > >> > Thursday, June 20, 2013 - West Briton - By Miles Davis, West Briton
                        > >> >
                        > >> > NEW QUESTIONS have been raised over the relationship between the
                        > >> > Prince of Wales and Waitrose and a property deal that would
                        > >> > transform the east of Truro.
                        > >> >
                        > >> > It has emerged that Prince Charles paid more than £38 million for a
                        > >> > depot in Milton Keynes used by the chain. The Duchy of Cornwall,
                        > >> > which represents the Prince's business interests, is a key player
                        > >> > in the Truro Eastern District Centre (TEDC) project that would see
                        > >> > a Waitrose built along with a park and ride, 110 homes and a
                        > >> > recycling centre at the junction of Union Hill and Newquay Road.
                        > >> >
                        > >> > A spokesman for the Prince dismissed any presumed connection
                        > >> > between the duchy and Waitrose as "coincidence".
                        > >> >
                        > >> > The deal for the duchy to buy the 396,000sq ft warehouse at Milton
                        > >> > Keynes was completed 18 months ago at a cost of £38,385,500, as
                        > >> > reported by the Independent newspaper.
                        > >> >
                        > >> > Waitrose leases it as a lorry distribution hub.
                        > >> >
                        > >> > Plans for the controversial TEDC were approved by Cornwall Council
                        > >> > in March 2012 but that planning consent now faces a judicial review
                        > >> > brought by Truro City Council.
                        > >> >
                        > >> > Councillor Rob Nolan, member of Truro City Council and Cornwall
                        > >> > Council, said: "The city council is keen to maintain the vibrancy
                        > >> > of the high street in Truro and would welcome Waitrose into the
                        > >> > city centre.
                        > >> >
                        > >> > "But we consider an out-of-town shopping centre to be a threat to
                        > >> > that vibrancy.
                        > >> >
                        > >> > "I'm surprised to see this strong link. It appears that the duchy
                        > >> > and Waitrose are putting their own interests before those of Truro."
                        > >> >
                        > >> > The duchy's financial dealings are expected to come under closer
                        > >> > scrutiny from the Commons Public Accounts Committee and a Private
                        > >> > Members' Bill in the House of Lords demanding an overhaul of its
                        > >> > structure and the distribution of surplus income to the people of
                        > >> > Cornwall.
                        > >> >
                        > >> > Prince Charles's income in 2012 was £20.48 million, with £18.28
                        > >> > million coming from the Duchy of Cornwall and £2.19 million from
                        > >> > government departments and grants-in-aid.
                        > >> >
                        > >> > In all the Duchy of Cornwall owns some 131,000 acres of land in 23
                        > >> > counties, including large swathes of Cornwall, Dartmoor and the
                        > >> > Prince's Gloucestershire home of Highgrove.
                        > >> >
                        > >> > A spokesman said of the Waitrose depot: "The property acquired was
                        > >> > a commercial property investment and it is not related to Duchy
                        > >> > Originals. It is a coincidence that Waitrose is the tenant."
                        > >> >
                        > >> >
                        > >> > Revealed: Prince Charles's secret property deals - including £38
                        > >> > million industrial carbuncle
                        > >> > http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/revealed-prince-
                        > >> > charless-secret-property-deals--including-38-million-industrial-
                        > >> > carbuncle-8659596.html
                        > >> >
                        > >> >
                        > >> > BBC fails in bid to have critical clip removed from YouTube
                        > >> > following copyright complaint
                        > >> > http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/bbc-fails-bid-have-critical-clip-
                        > >> > removed-youtube-following-copyright-complaint
                        > >> >
                        > >> >
                        > >> >
                        > >> >
                        > >> > ------------------------------------
                        > >> >
                        > >> > Diggers350 - an e-mail discussion/information-share list for
                        > >> > campaigners and members of THE LAND IS OURS landrights network
                        > >> > based in the UK
                        > >> > http://www.tlio.org.uk
                        > >> > http://www.facebook.com/pages/The-Land-Is-Ours-a-landrights-
                        > >> > campaign-for-Britain/125281497524632
                        > >> >
                        > >> > The list was originally concerned with the 350th anniversary of The
                        > >> > Diggers (& still is concerned with their history). The Diggers
                        > >> > appeared at the end of the English Civil war with a noble mission
                        > >> > to make the earth 'a common treasury for all'. In the spring of
                        > >> > 1999 there were celebrations to remember the Diggers vision and
                        > >> > their contribution.
                        > >> >
                        > >> > TASH FROM THE HILL
                        > >> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWk9rRJsk5I
                        > >> >
                        > >> > THE LAND MAGAZINE
                        > >> > Simon Fairlie still produces The Land magazine every 6 months or so.
                        > >> > Subsription is £18 (£15 unwaged) or £4 for a single edition
                        > >> > http://www.thelandmagazine.org.uk/
                        > >> >
                        > >> > THE SCYTHE SHOP (advertisement)
                        > >> > There is a revival of scything in the UK. Scything summer growth by
                        > >> > hand is usually quicker than using a strimmer, and there is no
                        > >> > noise, vibration or pollution. http://www.thescytheshop.co.uk/
                        > >> >
                        > >> > Die Pride and Envie; Flesh, take the poor's advice.
                        > >> > Covetousnesse be gon: Come, Truth and Love arise.
                        > >> > Patience take the Crown; throw Anger out of dores:
                        > >> > Cast out Hypocrisie and Lust, which follows whores:
                        > >> > Then England sit in rest; Thy sorrows will have end;
                        > >> > Thy Sons will live in peace, and each will be a friend.
                        > >> > http://www.bilderberg.org/land/gift.htm
                        > >> >
                        > >> > Woe to those who join house to house and field to field, until
                        > >> > there is no more room, and you are made to dwell alone in the midst
                        > >> > of the land. Yahweh of heaven's armies has sworn in my hearing:
                        > >> > "Surely many houses shall be desolate, large and beautiful houses,
                        > >> > without inhabitant." Isaiah 5:8-9
                        > >> >
                        > >> > http://www.downingstreetmemo.comYahoo! Groups Links
                        > >> >
                        > >> >
                        > >> >
                        > >>
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        > >
                        >
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                        > --
                        > It's a revolution. But it's the sort of revolution , more of an
                        > evolution that no one will notice. It might get a little shadier, or
                        > brighter. Buildings might function better. You might have less money
                        > to earn because your food is all around you and you don't have any
                        > energy costs. and more people will be fed, as more land and
                        > resources, kept scarce for the dollar, for the abundance called glut,
                        > will be shared.
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