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Re: [Detroiters] Re: Detroit's Finney High will start random drug testing

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  • Louis Theriot
    Nothing is going to happen unless you let them know you know and you want them to do something about. Kinda like crack houses and after-hour clubs the police
    Message 1 of 19 , Jun 8, 2008
      Nothing is going to happen unless you let them know you know and you want
      them to do something about. Kinda like crack houses and after-hour clubs the
      police know about them and where they are at but won't do anything unless
      someone complains.

      On Sat, Jun 7, 2008 at 6:05 AM, detroiter43 <detroiter43@...> wrote:

      > Are you suggesting that I write a letter to Congresswoman
      > Kilpatrick....as a former teacher don't you think she is already
      > aware of the problem?
      >
      >
      > --- In Detroiters@yahoogroups.com <Detroiters%40yahoogroups.com>,
      > mzsuzuki@... wrote:
      > >
      > > Maybe we should...I didn't make the rules, I just analyze
      > them...Write your congressman or congresswoman
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Street Drugs are illegal, brining contraband to school is illegal,
      > > what is the problem? If this is our attitude towards our children,
      > > then maybe we should surrender the War on Drugs and bring the
      > troops
      > > home.
      > >
      > > --- In Detroiters@yahoogroups.com <Detroiters%40yahoogroups.com>,
      > mzsuzuki@ wrote:
      > > >
      > > > Yes that is what I am trying to get across..some of these
      > students
      > > see their
      > > > parents go off to work and then come home and smoke weed. So if a
      > > counselor
      > > > tells them they can not get a job if they smoke week, that is not
      > > necessarily
      > > > true in their eyes. Also I wonder if they any high schools in Los
      > > Angeles
      > > > received this grant.
      > > > Since you can buy weed at stores and vending machines with a
      > > prescription.
      > > > You can get a prescription
      > > > for something as simple as a bad knee.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > In a message dated 6/5/2008 6:58:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
      > > > no_reply@yahoogroups.com <no_reply%40yahoogroups.com> writes:
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Perhaps the parents smoking the weed already HAVE a job, therefore
      > > > drug testing is not an issue... unless random test is enforced at
      > > the
      > > > job.... Parent who smoke drugs with children? Well if they justify
      > > > that, there's a bigger problem anyway.
      > > >
      > > > --- In _Detroiters@yahoogroDetroit_
      > > (mailto:Detroiters@yahoogroups.com <Detroiters%40yahoogroups.com>) ,
      > > > mzsuzuki@ wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > Question: If the parent is smoking the weed with the child or
      > the
      > > > child is
      > > > > getting the weed from
      > > > > the parent, what type of consequences will be given? FAMILY
      > > drug
      > > > counseling?
      > > > > And if the parent
      > > > > is working and still smoking weed, does that void out the notion
      > > > that you
      > > > > smoke weed you can't get a job?
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > In a message dated 6/5/2008 6:07:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
      > > > > c.primas@ writes:
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > Wednesday, June 4, 2008
      > > > >
      > > > > Detroit's Finney High will start random drug testing
      > > > >
      > > > > Deb Price / The Detroit News
      > > > >
      > > > > WASHINGTON -- Finney High School in Detroit will start random
      > > > testing for
      > > > > drug use by students as early as this fall paid for by a three-
      > > year
      > > > grant
      > > > > announced Wednesday by the U.S. Department of Education and the
      > > > White House
      > > > > Office of National Drug Control Policy.
      > > > >
      > > > > Kanzoni Asabigi, Detroit's deputy director for substance abuse,
      > > > said the
      > > > > three-year pilot program could lead to random drug testing at
      > > all of
      > > > > Detroit's high schools.
      > > > >
      > > > > "This isn't punitive," Asabigi said. "We are making sure the
      > > > students get
      > > > > the messages that drugs aren't good and can ruin your life. To
      > > get
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > -----Original Message-----
      > > From: detroiter43 <detroiter43@...>
      > > To: Detroiters@yahoogroups.com <Detroiters%40yahoogroups.com>
      > > Sent: Fri, 6 Jun 2008 7:12 am
      > > Subject: [Detroiters] Re: Detroit's Finney High will start random
      > drug testing
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > >
      > > Street Drugs are illegal, brining contraband to school is illegal,
      > > what is the problem? If this is our attitude towards our children,
      > > then maybe we should surrender the War on Drugs and bring the
      > troops
      > > home.
      > >
      > > --- In Detroiters@yahoogroups.com <Detroiters%40yahoogroups.com>,
      > mzsuzuki@ wrote:
      > > >
      > > > Yes that is what I am trying to get across..some of these
      > students
      > > see their
      > > > parents go off to work and then come home and smoke weed. So if a
      > > counselor
      > > > tells them they can not get a job if they smoke week, that is not
      > > necessarily
      > > > true in their eyes. Also I wonder if they any high schools in Los
      > > Angeles
      > > > received this grant.
      > > > Since you can buy weed at stores and vending machines with a
      > > prescription.
      > > > You can get a prescription
      > > > for something as simple as a bad knee.
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > In a message dated 6/5/2008 6:58:40 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
      > > > no_reply@yahoogroups.com <no_reply%40yahoogroups.com> writes:
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > Perhaps the parents smoking the weed already HAVE a job, therefore
      > > > drug testing is not an issue... unless random test is enforced at
      > > the
      > > > job.... Parent who smoke drugs with children? Well if they justify
      > > > that, there's a bigger problem anyway.
      > > >
      > > > --- In _Detroiters@yahoogroDetroit_
      > > (mailto:Detroiters@yahoogroups.com <Detroiters%40yahoogroups.com>) ,
      > > > mzsuzuki@ wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > Question: If the parent is smoking the weed with the child or
      > the
      > > > child is
      > > > > getting the weed from
      > > > > the parent, what type of consequences will be given? FAMILY
      > > drug
      > > > counseling?
      > > > > And if the parent
      > > > > is working and still smoking weed, does that void out the notion
      > > > that you
      > > > > smoke weed you can't get a job?
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > In a message dated 6/5/2008 6:07:52 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
      > > > > c.primas@ writes:
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > >
      > > > > Wednesday, June 4, 2008
      > > > >
      > > > > Detroit's Finney High will start random drug testing
      > > > >
      > > > > Deb Price / The Detroit News
      > > > >
      > > > > WASHINGTON -- Finney High School in Detroit will start random
      > > > testing for
      > > > > drug use by students as early as this fall paid for by a three-
      > > year
      > > > grant
      > > > > announced Wednesday by the U.S. Department of Education and the
      > > > White House
      > > > > Office of National Drug Control Policy.
      > > > >
      > > > > Kanzoni Asabigi, Detroit's deputy director for substance abuse,
      > > > said the
      > > > > three-year pilot program could lead to random drug testing at
      > > all of
      > > > > Detroit's high schools.
      > > > >
      > > > > "This isn't punitive," Asabigi said. "We are making sure the
      > > > students get
      > > > > the messages that drugs aren't good and can ruin your life. To
      > > get
      > > > a job
      > > > > these days, you have to pass drug tests."
      > > > >
      > > > > Three types of students will randomly be selected for urine
      > > tests:
      > > > Those who
      > > > > volunteer and have their parents' permission, and those in
      > > athletics or
      > > > > school-sponsored extracurricular activities.
      > > > >
      > > > > Tests will search for use of marijuana, prescription drugs,
      > > heroin,
      > > > cocaine
      > > > > and meth amphetamines, Asabigi said.
      > > > >
      > > > > Students who test positive won't face disciplinary action,
      > > although
      > > > their
      > > > > parents will be notified. The students will be offered
      > > information
      > > > about
      > > > > substance abuse treatment.
      > > > >
      > > > > Detroit will get $165,300, and similar amounts for two
      > subsequent
      > > > years for
      > > > > the drug-testing program.
      > > > >
      > > > > Finney High School Principal Alvin Ward said the target for
      > > > starting the
      > > > > program is the coming fall, but that Superintendent Connie
      > > Calloway
      > > > hasn't
      > > > > yet signed off on the date. A call to her spokesman wasn't
      > > immediately
      > > > > returned.
      > > > >
      > > > > Currently Finney has 864 students in grades 9 through 12, but
      > > > anticipates as
      > > > > many as 1,200 students this fall, Ward said.
      > > > >
      > > > > A 2007 survey by the Centers of Disease Control found that 39
      > > > percent of
      > > > > Detroit high school students have used marijuana.
      > > > >
      > > > > The federal program conforms to rulings in 1995 and 2002 by the
      > > > U.S. Supreme
      > > > > Court upholding random student drug testing.
      > > > >
      > > > > In its Wednesday announcement, the Department of Education said
      > > > $5.8 million
      > > > > in grants will go to 20 states. Since 2003, $40 million has been
      > > > awarded the
      > > > > program.
      > > > >
      > > > > "Student drug testing programs promote safer, healthier school
      > > > environments
      > > > > where students can work toward achieving their full potential,"
      > > U.S.
      > > > > Department of Education Secretary Margaret Spellings said. "A
      > > good
      > > > student
      > > > > drug testing program helps students defy peer pressure and say
      > > `no'
      > > > to drugs
      > > > > and alcohol, and provides the opportunity for at-risk students
      > to
      > > > get the
      > > > > support they need."
      > > > >
      > > > > Detroit's grant was the second ever for Michigan: St. Joseph
      > > Health
      > > > System
      > > > > in Tawas City, located about a one hour drive north of Saginaw,
      > > > received a
      > > > > three-year grant with annual amounts of about $155,000
      > > beginning in
      > > > 2005.
      > > > >
      > > > > Ann Griffis, who manages the project at the St. Joseph Health
      > > > System, said
      > > > > two of Tawas City's four school districts -- Oscoda and
      > > > Whittemore-Prescott
      > > > > -- opted to try the program, which was limited to random
      > testing
      > > of
      > > > students
      > > > > who volunteered for it and had permission from their parents.
      > > > >
      > > > > The first year, 6 percent of students at the two high school
      > > > participated,
      > > > > but that grew to 32 percent of students. Funding for the program
      > > > ends Sept.
      > > > > 30, and the hospital may ask for an extension or look for other
      > > funding
      > > > > sources.
      > > > >
      > > > > "The reception has been really good, and I've been pleasantly
      > > > surprised,"
      > > > > said Griffis, adding that it's "rare" that any of the urine
      > > samples
      > > > she's
      > > > > taken have tested positive for drugs.
      > > > >
      > > > > "The intent isn't to catch kids. It is to provide a prevention
      > > tool
      > > > and hope
      > > > > that we can encourage discussion between parents and students.
      > If
      > > > someone
      > > > > tests positive, we give them information about resources that
      > can
      > > > help," she
      > > > > said.
      > > > >
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