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- " If you remove all your borders, and you have global free trade, what
you get then is a global governance gradually growing, and you get
world government. And the truth is, both parties are leading us to
former presidential candidate Patrick Buchanan 08/31/04
Full interview with Lou Dobbs:
DOBBS: Former presidential candidate Patrick Buchanan has written a
new book that blasts President Bush and his administration. It is
called "Where the Right Went Wrong: How Neoconservatives Subverted the
Reagan Revolution and Hijacked the Bush Presidency."
Given that criticism, I asked Buchanan whether he wants the president
to win reelection.
PATRICK BUCHANAN, AUTHOR, "WHERE THE RIGHT WENT WRONG": Well, I think,
if you come down to a choice who you would like to appoint the next
four Supreme Court justices, which we could get in the next term, I
definitely would prefer George Bush to John Kerry. I think Bush is
better on taxes. One judges on sovereignty and on values.
But the president is wrong on trade, he's wrong on deficits, he will
not control and defend America's borders, and he's wrong on this
Wilsonian foreign policy. On those four issues, unfortunately, he
agrees with Kerry, and I take the conservative line.
DOBBS: Pat, as you lay out those broad, profound issues, I mean, that
is the bulk of what governance is about, foreign policy, controlling
borders, our trade. And he wins on what particular issue, in your
BUCHANAN: Judges, taxes, values, and sovereignty. And (UNINTELLIGIBLE)
DOBBS: Sovereignty without borders?
BUCHANAN: Well, no, this is -- you get to a very good point there. If
you remove all your borders, and you have global free trade, what you
get then is a global governance gradually growing, and you get world
government. And the truth is, both parties are leading us to world
Lou, when I was back there fighting against NAFTA and GATT and the WTO
in those days, you found Clinton and Gingrich and Dole all together,
Brookings Institution and the Heritage Foundation all together, Cato
and "The Washington Post" together.
So what we got is, I think, is, is, we are moving toward world
government. We are losing our sovereignty. We are losing our national
economic independence. And both parties are moving in that direction.
And the question is -- and Kerry's wrong on everything.
DOBBS: What happened to the Republican Party? Because when you talk
about budget deficits, you talk about free trade, the issues of,
fundamentally, national security, these were Republican issues and
important tenets of the Republican philosophy even 10 years ago,
DOBBS: What happened?
BUCHANAN: The Beltway right has entered into a civil union with big
government. The Beltway right and the conservative scholars in
Washington, these conservative writers and thinkers and policy
analysts, I think, have basically sold their souls for power. I think
they believe that big government is here to stay, that the country
wants it, and that therefore, if they want power, they're going to
have to go along with that.
I don't understand, Lou, on open borders, because it is quite clear
that the president of the United States, in his Thursday night speech,
got up and said, I believe in immigration, that we're a nation of
immigrants, but I also believe we are a nation of laws, and I am going
to defend that border. And people who break in are going to have to go
back. If you break in line and break the law and break into our
country, you cannot stay. And I'm constitutionally obligated to uphold
the laws, and I'm going to do it, and I will defend the border with
troops if necessary.
I think he would wrap up the Southwestern states, which are now
imperiled for him. I don't know, for the life of me, I don't know why
he doesn't do that, because that is an issue, and I know you've dealt
with it, it is an issue on which overwhelming majorities want that
DOBBS: Do you find it striking, Pat, that in this country, on critical
issues, border security, immigration, education, there is no national
referendum, if you will? There is so little representation of
middle-class working men and women and their families in Washington
right now. These issues that are so important, upon which survey after
survey shows the American people feel a certain way, legislators in
Washington, the executive branch, all but ignore their views.
BUCHANAN: It, it, well, I think what is going on is nothing less than
economic treason against the middle class of this country. Their jobs
are being exported, technology, industry, factories, and the future of
their children is being (UNINTELLIGIBLE).
And I'll tell you why I believe it is, and both parties are doing it.
Of the 100 most powerful economic institutions in the world, by the
GDP, 51 of them are corporations. All of these corporations, many of
which used to be America first, let's protect America's market, this
is our market, all of them have become globalists.
And so this huge economic force is for breaking down barriers, opening
borders, being allowed to move their factories wherever they want,
jobs wherever they want. They've put the bottom line first, and for
them it is profits and corporate salaries and all the rest. And that
is why you need a strong, traditional, conservative government to
structure the taxes and trade policies so that the economic incentives
force these corporations to come back into the United States and
create jobs here.
And nobody in either party is really talking about that, except, I
will say, my old friend Ralph Nader, who understands it.
DOBBS: Well, Pat Buchanan, my old friend, thanks for being here. And
good luck with your new book.
BUCHANAN: Thank you very much, Lou. It's good to be back.