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  • Michael
    I ve heard radio interviews with Shoebat. He is as slippery and demagogic as another speaker on that circuit, Ergun Caner , an ex-Muslim who was caught in
    Message 1 of 2 , Nov 20, 2010
         I've heard radio interviews with Shoebat. He is as slippery and demagogic as another speaker on that circuit, Ergun Caner , an ex-Muslim who was caught in numerous lies and exaggerations about his (non-existent) terrorist past, http://www.huffingtonpost.com/walid-zafar/ex-muslim-evangelical-exp_b_582225.html , http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?itemid=3862 ,"Ergun Caner Rebuts All the Charges: But, Only in Private," http://barthsnotes.wordpress.com/2010/05/13/ergun-caner-update/ 
      http://blog.witnessesuntome.com/2010/08/united-state-marines-duped-by-pretend.html 
        Another speaker at this event , appears to be fraudulent too. Kamal Saleem , see this review from a book supplement of Christianity Today, 
        Boykin, y'all will recall , addressed a fundamentalist congregation, in uniform (a violation of military regs) and madea series of very inflammatory statements , widely reported when Bush 43 was POTUS. 
         Why didn't Chip note this recent interview, with a specific url reference, with Boykin by Rick Joyner , an End Times premillenialist preacher? Author of a # of texts which even in that genre are well, incredible , relating long conversations he has conducted with Jesus Christ up above. 


      "Marxism in America" Lt. Gen. (Ret.) W.G. BoykinVideo |

      Oct 24, 2010 ... In this video entitled "Marxism in America" General Jerry Boykin discusses his ... Rick Joyner, Yale King, Lt. .Gen. (Ret.) W.G. Boykin ...
      www.morningstartv.com/oak-initiative/marxism-america -Cached

      --- In DemocraticLeft@yahoogroups.com, Dave Anderson <danderson569@...> wrote:
      >
      > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chip-berlet/fanatics-defame-murdered_b_786132.html
      >
      > Chip Berlet
      > Researcher and author covering civil rights and civil liberties
      > Posted: November 19, 2010 02:39 PM
      >
      > Fanatics Defame Murdered U.S. Soldiers
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > A small group of fanatics plan to hijack a memorial event on Sunday
      > ostensibly dedicated to the memory of soldiers who died in an attack
      > last year at Fort Hood, Texas. The event will feature speakers with a
      > long history of vicious anti-Islamic bigotry and rhetoric that targets
      > not the actions of terrorists but rather condemns the religion of
      > Islam itself.
      >
      > The official Fort Hood anniversary memorial event (in the photo
      > displayed on the link and here) was held on November 5, 2010.
      >
      > The upcoming competing event is titled "Reclaiming America at Fort
      > Hood," and one website promoting the event states "America had enough
      > of diversity, liberalism, appeasement, and silence. Diversity starts
      > with the truth." According to advertisements, the event will take
      > place November 21st 2010 at the Killeen, Texas Conference Center. The
      > event is being organized by the Forum For Middle East Understanding.
      > Among the key speakers announced are Robert Spencer, Walid Shoebat,
      > retired General William Boykin, and Kamal Saleem.
      > On Shoebat's website the event is described as "About Honor over
      > Dishonor, Truth over Lies, and Facts over Self Delusion." It goes on
      > to state that a "primary sponsor of the event is the ICTOA
      > (International Counter Terrorism Officers Association).
      >
      > The local Chamber of Commerce is distancing itself from the event.
      > According to a report by Rob Munoz on the KXXV-TV website there was an
      > e-mail sent out "by Killeen Chamber of Commerce President John
      > Crutchfield last week noting the event, which has been soliciting
      > businesses under the name 'Fort Hood memorial event' and advising its
      > members that '...neither this organization or this event is supported
      > by Fort Hood or the city of Killeen...'"
      >
      > The official memorial service was held on November 5. On that date in
      > 2009 Major Nidal Malki Hasan allegedly opened fired on fellow military
      > personnel at Fort Hood, Texas, killing 13 people and injuring 32
      > others. The shooting was the worst on a U.S. military base in history.
      > Hasan, an Army psychiatrist, fired more than 200 rounds before a
      > police officer shot him, which left Hasan, 40, paralyzed from the
      > chest down.
      >
      > On November 17th, 2010, Colonel James L. Pohl, who presided at a
      > military hearing for Hasan, recommended that the American-born Muslim
      > be court-martialed on 13 counts of premeditated murder and 32 counts
      > of attempted premeditated murder. Pohl also recommended that a
      > conviction carry the death sentence. This report will go on to an Army
      > colonel at Fort Hood, who will make the final decision as to whether
      > Hasan is tried and whether he will face the death penalty. (based on
      > an article in the Los Angeles Times)
      >
      > The story was surfaced nationally by Robert Bartholomew on his
      > religion blog, and updated by Bartholomew on the "Chasing Evil"
      > website.
      >
      > According to Bartholomew,"Shoebat is a pseudo-expert on terrorism,
      > Islamic extremism, and Biblical prophecy, and he teaches that Obama is
      > a secret Muslim and that the Bible has prophesised a Muslim
      > anti-Christ."
      >
      > Abdus Sattar Ghazali wrote about Shoebat and other anti-Islamic bigots
      > on the website of Muslim Military Members, "an organization providing
      > information, communication, and coordination for Muslims in the US
      > Armed Forces." "Walid Shoebat has built a lucrative speaking career by
      > manipulating the fears and whipping up hatred between Jews and
      > Muslims," wrote Ghazali. Shoebat told the "Springfield News-Leader, a
      > Missouri newspaper, on Sept. 24, 2007 that he sees "many parallels
      > between the Antichrist and Islam" and "Islam is not the religion of
      > God -- Islam is the devil."
      >
      > Of General Boykin, Bartholomew writes that:
      >
      > ===Boykin, like Shoebat, believes that the US is in a spiritual war
      > against Islam with an apocalyptic dimension, and he was recently
      > explaining how health care reform represents a "Marxist insurgency"
      > and a Nazi-like conspiracy to "establish a constabulary force... that
      > can control the population".
      > A number of high-ranking military officials condemn holding terrorism
      > by Islamic militants as a justification for a war between Christianity
      > and Islam.
      >
      > Among them is Ike Wilson, a Colonel in the United States Army and an
      > Associate Professor in the Department of Social Sciences at the United
      > States Military Academy at West Point Wilson warns that this
      > formulation is not just wrong, but puts soldiers on the ground in Iraq
      > and Afghanistan at a higher risk for injury and death. I discussed
      > this with Colonel Wilson when we were both on a panel on "Religion in
      > the Military" at the annual Conference on World Affairs at the
      > University of Colorado in Boulder. The panel discussion addressed the
      > issue of aggressive apocalyptic beliefs held by some Christian.
      >
      > "These high-profile speakers are pseudo experts who should be rejected
      > by every serious analyst in the counter-terrorism and law enforcement
      > community," said Thomas Cincotta, of Political Research Associates who
      > is writing a report on Islamophobia and homeland security.
      >
      > Walid Shoebat, Kamal Saleem, and Robert Spencer joined another
      > anti-Islamic speaker, Zachariah Anani in addressing a special forum
      > for cadets at the U.S. Air Force Academy. At that event, reports
      > Ghazali, "Shoebat urged his audience to resist 'political correctness'
      > and not to fear being labeled a 'xenophobe, Islamophobe or American
      > bigot.'"
      >
      > Shoebat, Saleem, and Anani were billed as "former terrorists," at the
      > 50th annual United States Air Force Academy political forum held in
      > Colorado Springs, Colorado on February 8, 2008.
      >
      > In his article for Muslims serving in the U.S. Armed Forces, Ghazali
      > reported that:
      >
      > ===The three anti-Muslim fear-mongering bigots have spent the past
      > couple of years on speaking tour across America but this is the first
      > time that the trio has spoken at a military academy for which they
      > picked up $ 13,000.
      >
      > ==="Walid Shoebat is either a self-admitted criminal or complete
      > fraud. In either case, the public and law enforcement authorities have
      > a right to know," said CAIR-SV Executive Director Basim Elkarra.
      >
      > ===Not surprisingly, in February 2007, the Sacramento Valley chapter
      > of the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR-SV) called on
      > campus police at the University of California - Davis to detain Walid
      > Shoebat who was scheduled to speak at UC Davis because he has stated
      > publicly that he bombed an Israeli bank and participated in other acts
      > of violence in the Middle East.
      >
      >
      > Larry Zilliox, Jr. is a Virginia private investigator with over
      > eighteen years experience. He runs Investigative Research Specialists,
      > which trains law enforcement investigators, and he is a member of the
      > International Association of Counterterrorism & Security
      > Professionals.
      > "The most important point is to track behavior not belief," says
      > Zilliox. "If you focus on beliefs, it diverts people's attention from
      > the problem, which is illegal violence." It is true," Zilliox states,
      > "that a belief system can be used to cloud a person's mind and
      > manipulate them into taking religious beliefs and turning them into
      > harmful or violent acts." But this should not be extended into
      > suspicion of any entire religious group. And this is especially true
      > when law enforcement personnel "come from a religious background."
      >
      > Investigators and analysts need to be sure that they do not wrongly
      > put people into the category of suspects simply because "those people
      > don't believe what they believe," says Zilliox. He notes that
      > "politics and religion can be polarizing." And to make matters more
      > complicated, "people tend to stereotype when they process
      > information." When he trains law enforcement investigators, Zilliox
      > teaches them to be aware of and struggle against these tendencies.
      >
      > In 2009, James Cavanaugh received the International Association of
      > Chiefs of Police Civil Rights Award. For over 30 years Cavanaugh
      > worked for the U.S. Federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms,
      > with a special emphasis on potential violence motivated by political
      > or religious beliefs. Cavanaugh rejects tossing all Muslims into the
      > category of potential terrorists. He urges law enforcement
      > professionals to "Know Your Real Enemy, Protect Your Friends."
      > Cavanaugh argues that most "Americans could clearly see the
      > difference, and we [all] have to clearly see the difference between"
      > Osama Bin Laden and his Al Qaeda network and the Muslims in "greater
      > Islam." Cavanugh warns that those "who can't see or won't see [this
      > difference are ] only playing into the script written by the
      > terrorists themselves....Muslims don't feel responsible for 9/11
      > because they are not - not anymore than Christians feel responsible
      > for the terroristic acts of the Ku Klux Klan."
      >
      > ===As law-enforcement officers, prosecutors and those on the front
      > line of protecting all we have to look clearly through the fog, the
      > rhetoric and the thin disguises....We have to know who the enemy is
      > and know who our friends are. We have to do everything we can to
      > protect our friends and do everything we can to stop, to defeat
      > capture and kill our enemies....Attacking mosques, threatening to burn
      > or burning holy books, vitriolic talk declaring Islam is the enemy are
      > all wrong.
      > = = =
      >
      > Research assistance provided by interns at Political Research
      > Associates, especially Aram Boghosian, Alex Lach, and Yasemin Koc.
      >
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