- ... Thanks - I surprised myself in understanding most of it actually - witnessing years of creationist s crap being refuted and looking for answers myself onMessage 1 of 85 , Dec 1, 2005View Source---In DebunkCreation@yahoogroups.com bradcap1 wrote
>If you need clarification on any part of my post, let me know.Thanks - I surprised myself in understanding most of it actually -
witnessing years of creationist's crap being refuted and looking for answers
myself on these subjects must be finally sinking into this thick head of
One thing I was unsure of:
>Ask him to state his sources for this. Especially the statement on onlyAt the risk of sounding like your wife (hehe), what the hell??? Ok. I
>0.1% being beneficial mutations. That's utter crap! Ask him exactly what a
>beneficial mutation is. Not in broad terms, you want details. Which base
>SNP, at which point, which insert/deletion, at what points? Why is this
>beneficial, what is the change in amino acid sequence, what is the change
>in conformation of the RNA or peptide product, what is the change in gene
>expression if in a control region?
understand what you're asking for, but I would have NO idea how I would
answer those questions myself. I think it's a little hypocritical of me to
ask someone for answers to questions that I cannot answer. It makes me no
better than the creationists really, although I guess HE is the one making
the claim of only 0.1% beneficial mutations, not I, so I suppose I shouldn't
feel TOO bad about it :)
Anyway, this is a good thing. It forces me to go looking for info myself so
I get a better understanding of the arguments involved.
- Geoff: Yeah. I know, cause I ve been to Yellowstone on a number of occasions, and I ve seen the results. Including Yellowstone Lake, which is what remainsMessage 85 of 85 , Dec 4, 2005View SourceGeoff:Yeah. I know, 'cause I've been to Yellowstone on a number of occasions, and I've seen the results. Including Yellowstone Lake, which is what remains of that volcano, among other things. But that happened 700 kyr ago, and I don't know if anybody has correlated that fallout with, say, the Atapuerca people. . . .Anne GAccording to the Discovery channel show, the supervolcano Toba erupted and
reduced the human population to a few 10's of thousands (estimated at 70)
across the whole planet.
Yellowstone is another such supervolcano and is showing evidence (uplift in
the caldera) for mounting pressure.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael E. Suttkus, II" <suttkus@...>
Sent: Thursday, December 01, 2005 2:43 PM
Subject: [DebunkCreation] Re: Kinds & Alleles
> --- In DebunkCreation@yahoogroups.com, "bradcap1" <bradcap1@y...>
>> I've heard it said that there is more genetic variety within a
>> group if chimps on a hillside than in the entire population of
>> humans. This is due to them existing on this planet far longer than
>> we have (many, many, many more generations resulting in many more
>> mutations and more alleles).
> No, they aren't particularly older than we are. What happened is that
> human populations not long ago suffered a serious bottleneck in which
> our species was reduced to very few individuals, thus crashing our
> genetic diversity.
> Search for "Population bottleneck" and you'll pick up information on
> the subject. It was quite widely discussed here when it was first
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