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Re: [DVRPTR_V1] AMBE-Addon

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  • Jim
    Hi Regarding microphones,something to consider is the strain placed on the microphone/speaker sockets by plugging in the microphone/speaker itself. I d be
    Message 1 of 10 , Dec 6, 2012
      Hi

      Regarding microphones,something to consider is the strain placed on the
      microphone/speaker sockets by plugging in the microphone/speaker itself.
      I'd be tempted to used screened flying leads to the unit itself.

      Jim


      On 06/12/2012 14:43, do1fjn wrote:
      > Hi,
      >
      > The original AMBE Addon board was designed and produced by Stefan (SR-Systems).
      > I see that there is some interests in it, so I decided to finish my sheet and layout for a compatible replacement.
      >
      > My previous device prototype 'DV-ATRX' uses a RJ45 8pin connector (standard 5V Yaesu pinning + rewiring facility).
      >
      > + Serial connection for keypads or displays
      > + or Up/Down/Fast key-inputs
      > - no low cost microphones
      > - only with external speaker (3.5mm jack)
      >
      > What is yours opinion? Which kind of microphone connector is the best?
      >
      > 73
      > Jan
      >
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    • vk7yxx
      I think I ll go against the trend and suggest keeping the Kenwood speaker/mic arrangement. It s convenient, compatible with existing AMBE boards, and has
      Message 2 of 10 , Dec 6, 2012
        I think I'll go against the trend and suggest keeping the Kenwood speaker/mic arrangement. It's convenient, compatible with existing AMBE boards, and has caused no issues for me. The last thing the compact DVRPTR needs is more cables hanging out of it.

        Would the RJ45 socket even fit in the standard DVRPTR V1 case?

        --- In DVRPTR_V1@yahoogroups.com, "do1fjn" <dvrptr@...> wrote:
        >
        > Hi,
        >
        > The original AMBE Addon board was designed and produced by Stefan (SR-Systems).
        > I see that there is some interests in it, so I decided to finish my sheet and layout for a compatible replacement.
        >
        > My previous device prototype 'DV-ATRX' uses a RJ45 8pin connector (standard 5V Yaesu pinning + rewiring facility).
        >
        > + Serial connection for keypads or displays
        > + or Up/Down/Fast key-inputs
        > - no low cost microphones
        > - only with external speaker (3.5mm jack)
        >
        > What is yours opinion? Which kind of microphone connector is the best?
        >
        > 73
        > Jan
        >
      • Will
        Jan, Even though some may think that the RJ45 is a shaky connector but is plentiful in stock and can be made to work just fine. So, I would say go for it and
        Message 3 of 10 , Dec 6, 2012
          Jan,

          Even though some may think that the RJ45 is a shaky connector but is
          plentiful in stock and can be made to work just fine. So, I would say go
          for it and lets use it,

          Will

          On 12/6/2012 8:43 AM, do1fjn wrote:
          > Hi,
          >
          > The original AMBE Addon board was designed and produced by Stefan (SR-Systems).
          > I see that there is some interests in it, so I decided to finish my sheet and layout for a compatible replacement.
          >
          > My previous device prototype 'DV-ATRX' uses a RJ45 8pin connector (standard 5V Yaesu pinning + rewiring facility).
          >
          > + Serial connection for keypads or displays
          > + or Up/Down/Fast key-inputs
          > - no low cost microphones
          > - only with external speaker (3.5mm jack)
          >
          > What is yours opinion? Which kind of microphone connector is the best?
          >
          > 73
          > Jan
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > ------------------------------------
          >
          > Yahoo! Groups Links
          >
          >
          >
          >
        • vk7yxx
          As the only person that seems to think the Kenwood-style connector is a good idea, I ll expand on my reasoning a bit: - Kenwood-style speaker/mics are cheap
          Message 4 of 10 , Dec 6, 2012
            As the only person that seems to think the Kenwood-style connector is a good idea, I'll expand on my reasoning a bit:

            - Kenwood-style speaker/mics are cheap and readily available, in fact I suspect most would already have one. Good quality ones can be had for $20, cheap ones for $10.
            - I see compatibility with the existing AMBE board as a big advantage, assuming the goal is to continue the DVRPTR V1 project rather than change its direction. If things progress and an upgraded AMBE board becomes available, I'd rather buy the new AMBE board, slide it into my existing box and plug my existing connections into it without modification, rather than get another mic and external speaker and modify the box (if it fits).
            - Having to connect a separate external speaker to use the DVRPTR in AMBE mode is painful, particularly for portable/mobile operations. The less connections required the better, and the Kenwood-style connections can be used separately if desired.

            73 - Don / VK7YXX.

            --- In DVRPTR_V1@yahoogroups.com, "do1fjn" <dvrptr@...> wrote:
            >
            > Hi,
            >
            > The original AMBE Addon board was designed and produced by Stefan (SR-Systems).
            > I see that there is some interests in it, so I decided to finish my sheet and layout for a compatible replacement.
            >
            > My previous device prototype 'DV-ATRX' uses a RJ45 8pin connector (standard 5V Yaesu pinning + rewiring facility).
            >
            > + Serial connection for keypads or displays
            > + or Up/Down/Fast key-inputs
            > - no low cost microphones
            > - only with external speaker (3.5mm jack)
            >
            > What is yours opinion? Which kind of microphone connector is the best?
            >
            > 73
            > Jan
            >
          • do1fjn
            Hi, ... Yes. The design allows huge connectors, like a Sub-D9 too. One more point against: - square cutout (not so easy for homemade like a round drill) 73 Jan
            Message 5 of 10 , Dec 7, 2012
              Hi,

              --- In DVRPTR_V1@yahoogroups.com, "vk7yxx" <vk7yxx@...> wrote:
              > Would the RJ45 socket even fit in the standard DVRPTR V1 case?

              Yes.
              The design allows huge connectors, like a Sub-D9 too.

              One more point against:
              - square cutout (not so easy for homemade like a round drill)


              73
              Jan
            • do1fjn
              Hi Don, ... Here a some disadvantages of this solution: - both jacks must be used together, no separate speaker is possible - no additional keys (for volume
              Message 6 of 10 , Dec 7, 2012
                Hi Don,


                --- In DVRPTR_V1@yahoogroups.com, "vk7yxx" <vk7yxx@...> wrote:
                > - Kenwood-style speaker/mics are cheap and readily available, in fact I suspect most would already have one. Good quality ones can be had for $20, cheap ones for $10.

                Here a some disadvantages of this solution:
                - both jacks must be used together, no separate speaker is possible
                - no additional keys (for volume control)
                - possibility of damage the jacks
                - an integrated speaker needs a separate NF-PA (the integrated Class-D is differential driven; no GND)


                > - I see compatibility with the existing AMBE board as a big advantage, assuming the goal is to continue the DVRPTR V1 project rather than change its direction. If things progress and an upgraded AMBE board becomes available, I'd rather buy the new AMBE board, slide it into my existing box and plug my existing connections into it without modification, rather than get another mic and external speaker and modify the box (if it fits).

                You're right - in case of replace the old board it's not ideal: A new front plate and a new microphone is needed.

                > - Having to connect a separate external speaker to use the DVRPTR in AMBE mode is painful, particularly for portable/mobile operations. The less connections required the better, and the Kenwood-style connections can be used separately if desired.

                I know, the best spkr/mic solution don't exists... A combination of a High-Ohm Speaker + Up/Down keys with an RJ45 for a low price...

                So I open for ideas. A combination of a 4-pin 3.5mm jack + RJ45 + 3.5mm Speaker...
                In the case of using a shared PTT/Mic line, a Volume-Poti is impossible and the firmware must support this (problem XDVRPTR FW).


                73,
                Jan
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