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Re: [DVDongle] Iphone

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  • Joel Barrett
    The Echolink app works pretty well on the iPhone but there s no additional hardware required to get that running like there would be for D-Star. -- Joel
    Message 1 of 11 , Feb 21, 2010
      The Echolink app works pretty well on the iPhone but there's no additional hardware required to get that running like there would be for D-Star. 

      --
      Joel Barrett
      Cisco
      678-352-2753 Office
      678-640-0634 iPhone

      On Feb 21, 2010, at 1:55 PM, Larry Bowman <WB5UGC@...> wrote:

       

      Just got a new Iphone and think.... what if I could hook the dongle to the Iphone.  Does anyone else have an iphone and wondering llll


      What IF?

      wb5ugc
      larry

    • John Hays
      Look your iPhone over very carefully, I think you will find it does not have an USB jack. DV Dongles plug into the host using USB. A little more information:
      Message 2 of 11 , Feb 22, 2010
        Look your iPhone over very carefully, I think you will find it does not have an USB jack.  DV Dongles plug into the host using USB.

        A little more information:

        USB is a master/slave system.  One end of the cable is the "master" (PC, etc.), the other end is the "slave" (DV Dongle, iPhone with USB cable) -- slaves don't talk directly to each other.

        My son, KD7PRM, who is also an iPhone developer (http://iphone.donaldhays.com/maidenhead/) said that the only way to reasonably tie hardware into the iPhone is through the docking connector at the bottom, he postulated that someone could build a USB hub that talks through that port (probably require a PIC and additional circuitry) and then you could plug USB slaves into it -- then create an USB library for the iPhone for people to write to and then its a matter of programming.  The other option is a WiFi connected DV Dongle type device (he has written applications to use bluetooth on the iPhone and does not recommend it for any serious programming).


        On Feb 21, 2010, at 10:55 AM, Larry Bowman wrote:

        Just got a new Iphone and think.... what if I could hook the dongle to the Iphone.  Does anyone else have an iphone and wondering llll


        What IF?

        wb5ugc
        larry


        John D. Hays
        Amateur Radio Station K7VE
        PO Box 1223
        Edmonds, WA 98020-1223
        VOIP/SIP: john@...
        Email: john@...

      • Dave Thomas
        If your gonna build things to try to make it work, forget it, just tether your i-phone to an internet connection on a netbook and it will work fine on the
        Message 3 of 11 , Feb 22, 2010

          If your gonna build things to try to make it work, forget it,  just tether your i-phone to an internet connection on a netbook and it will work fine on the netbook.

           

           

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          From: DVDongle@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DVDongle@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Hays
          Sent: 22 February 2010 17:38
          To: DVDongle@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [DVDongle] Iphone

           

           

          Look your iPhone over very carefully, I think you will find it does not have an USB jack.  DV Dongles plug into the host using USB.

           

          A little more information:

           

          USB is a master/slave system.  One end of the cable is the "master" (PC, etc.), the other end is the "slave" (DV Dongle, iPhone with USB cable) -- slaves don't talk directly to each other.

           

          My son, KD7PRM, who is also an iPhone developer (http://iphone.donaldhays.com/maidenhead/) said that the only way to reasonably tie hardware into the iPhone is through the docking connector at the bottom, he postulated that someone could build a USB hub that talks through that port (probably require a PIC and additional circuitry) and then you could plug USB slaves into it -- then create an USB library for the iPhone for people to write to and then its a matter of programming.  The other option is a WiFi connected DV Dongle type device (he has written applications to use bluetooth on the iPhone and does not recommend it for any serious programming).

           

           

          On Feb 21, 2010, at 10:55 AM, Larry Bowman wrote:



          Just got a new Iphone and think.... what if I could hook the dongle to the Iphone.  Does anyone else have an iphone and wondering llll

           

          What IF?

           

          wb5ugc

          larry

           

           

          John D. Hays
          Amateur Radio Station K7VE
          PO Box 1223
          Edmonds, WA 98020-1223

          VOIP/SIP: john@...
          Email: john@...

           

        • Owen Adair
          I like the Wifi idea... quite ambitious, but seems doable. This is not unlike the SDR activity going on now... an example of which can be found at
          Message 4 of 11 , Feb 23, 2010
            I like the Wifi idea... quite ambitious, but seems doable.
             
            This is not unlike the SDR activity going on now... an example of which can be found at sdr-radio.com.  This guy mentions working on an iPhone client for his SDR server...pretty cool concept.
             
            The problem here of course is that you are not simply doing VoIP.  You have some heavy processing to deal with supporting the proprietary chip.  But, it's all good - and fun!
             
            73
            Owen


            From: DVDongle@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DVDongle@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Hays
            Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 12:38 PM
            To: DVDongle@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: Re: [DVDongle] Iphone

             

            Look your iPhone over very carefully, I think you will find it does not have an USB jack.  DV Dongles plug into the host using USB.

            A little more information:

            USB is a master/slave system.  One end of the cable is the "master" (PC, etc.), the other end is the "slave" (DV Dongle, iPhone with USB cable) -- slaves don't talk directly to each other.

            My son, KD7PRM, who is also an iPhone developer (http://iphone. donaldhays. com/maidenhead/) said that the only way to reasonably tie hardware into the iPhone is through the docking connector at the bottom, he postulated that someone could build a USB hub that talks through that port (probably require a PIC and additional circuitry) and then you could plug USB slaves into it -- then create an USB library for the iPhone for people to write to and then its a matter of programming.  The other option is a WiFi connected DV Dongle type device (he has written applications to use bluetooth on the iPhone and does not recommend it for any serious programming) .


            On Feb 21, 2010, at 10:55 AM, Larry Bowman wrote:

            Just got a new Iphone and think.... what if I could hook the dongle to the Iphone.  Does anyone else have an iphone and wondering llll


            What IF?

            wb5ugc
            larry


            John D. Hays
            Amateur Radio Station K7VE
            PO Box 1223
            Edmonds, WA 98020-1223
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          • John Hays
            In the US, AT&T has not allowed tethering to an iPhone - I think that may change. I see no reason to run D-STAR through an iPhone, but to each their own. ...
            Message 5 of 11 , Feb 23, 2010
              In the US, AT&T has not allowed tethering to an iPhone - I think that may change.  I see no reason to run D-STAR through an iPhone, but to each their own.



              On Feb 22, 2010, at 1:01 PM, Dave Thomas wrote:


              If your gonna build things to try to make it work, forget it,  just tether your i-phone to an internet connection on a netbook and it will work fine on the netbook.

               

               

              DAVE (2W0RUH)


              John D. Hays
              Amateur Radio Station K7VE
              PO Box 1223
              Edmonds, WA 98020-1223
              VOIP/SIP: john@...
               Email: john@...

            • Barry
              Strange, some networks over here allow the 3G/3.5G signal to be re-radiated as WIFI from the phones, or indeed BlueTooth in the previous years, although some
              Message 6 of 11 , Feb 23, 2010

                Strange, some networks over here allow the 3G/3.5G signal to be re-radiated as WIFI from the phones, or indeed BlueTooth in the previous years, although 'some' do charge for useage 'outside' the phone itself.

                I don't get charged extra for browsing and mp3 downloads or watching youtube on the phone, but I do for sending an email from it.  Work that one out.  (N97 Mini on Vodafone.)

                 

                T-Mobile don't charge a penny extra for anything on a blackberry, connected to a laptop, email, whatever, the lot is in the price and its half the other network.  (And slow!)

                 

                Either way, it saves having to carry around a 3G broadband dongle (not a DV dongle) in your kit as well as a phone.

                 

                Guess we are lucky D-Star is free…

                 

                From: DVDongle@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DVDongle@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of John Hays
                Sent: 23 February 2010 17:45
                To: DVDongle@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: Re: [DVDongle] Iphone

                 

                 

                In the US, AT&T has not allowed tethering to an iPhone - I think that may change.  I see no reason to run D-STAR through an iPhone, but to each their own.

                 

                 

                 

                On Feb 22, 2010, at 1:01 PM, Dave Thomas wrote:



                 

                If your gonna build things to try to make it work, forget it,  just tether your i-phone to an internet connection on a netbook and it will work fine on the netbook.

                 

                 

                DAVE (2W0RUH)

                 

                John D. Hays
                Amateur Radio Station K7VE
                PO Box 1223
                Edmonds, WA 98020-1223

                VOIP/SIP: john@...
                 Email: john@...

                 

              • Tony Langdon
                ... In Australia, at least two providers (haven t checked the others yet, but I suspect they will as well) allow tethering of iPhones for free or at an
                Message 7 of 11 , Feb 23, 2010
                  At 04:45 AM 2/24/2010, you wrote:


                  >In the US, AT&T has not allowed tethering to an iPhone - I think
                  >that may change. I see no reason to run D-STAR through an iPhone,
                  >but to each their own.

                  In Australia, at least two providers (haven't checked the others yet,
                  but I suspect they will as well) allow tethering of iPhones for free
                  or at an additional cost. I particularly like the idea of using an
                  iPhone as a user interface to a DV Dongle that's running on a PC over
                  WiFi. That would certainly be useful around here, as there are times
                  I don't want to be tied to the PC, and I have WiFi setup around the
                  house. Of course, the DV AP would solve this problem as well, but
                  the iPhone is going to be here before a DV AP (which is stuck on the
                  wish list ;) ). iPhones can be picked up here on a contract with no
                  up front cost.

                  73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL
                  http://vkradio.com
                • kj4feq@bellsouth.net
                  I would love to use my iPhone as IDongle :) What a cool iPhone app that would be. I also use the echolink app for iPhone and it works great!.
                  Message 8 of 11 , Mar 1, 2010
                    I would love to use my iPhone as IDongle :) What a cool iPhone app that would be.

                    I also use the echolink app for iPhone and it works great!.


                    --- In DVDongle@yahoogroups.com, Larry Bowman <WB5UGC@...> wrote:
                    >
                    > Just got a new Iphone and think.... what if I could hook the dongle to the
                    > Iphone. Does anyone else have an iphone and wondering llll
                    >
                    > What IF?
                    >
                    > wb5ugc
                    > larry
                    >
                  • kj4feq@bellsouth.net
                    WHen I purchased my DVDongle at Orlando Hamcation I initally used it on my latop with iPhone tethered. I talked to N0XIA and he helped me get mic setting
                    Message 9 of 11 , Mar 1, 2010
                      WHen I purchased my DVDongle at Orlando Hamcation I initally used it on my latop with iPhone tethered. I talked to N0XIA and he helped me get mic setting right.

                      If you never upgraded 3.1 the tethering app I had would work. I just recently had to update my phone due to work security policy. You can jail break your phone but don't recommend that.

                      --- In DVDongle@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Thomas" <dave.2w0ruh@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > If your gonna build things to try to make it work, forget it, just tether
                      > your i-phone to an internet connection on a netbook and it will work fine on
                      > the netbook.
                      >
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                      > DAVE (2W0RUH)
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                      > Barry Amateur Radio Club Member.
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                      > Member of South Glamorgan RAYNET.
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                      > GB7CD Administrator.
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                      > <http://www.2w0ruh.me.uk/> http://www.2w0ruh.me.uk
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                      > From: DVDongle@yahoogroups.com [mailto:DVDongle@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                      > Of John Hays
                      > Sent: 22 February 2010 17:38
                      > To: DVDongle@yahoogroups.com
                      > Subject: Re: [DVDongle] Iphone
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Look your iPhone over very carefully, I think you will find it does not have
                      > an USB jack. DV Dongles plug into the host using USB.
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > A little more information:
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > USB is a master/slave system. One end of the cable is the "master" (PC,
                      > etc.), the other end is the "slave" (DV Dongle, iPhone with USB cable) --
                      > slaves don't talk directly to each other.
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > My son, KD7PRM, who is also an iPhone developer
                      > (http://iphone.donaldhays.com/maidenhead/) said that the only way to
                      > reasonably tie hardware into the iPhone is through the docking connector at
                      > the bottom, he postulated that someone could build a USB hub that talks
                      > through that port (probably require a PIC and additional circuitry) and then
                      > you could plug USB slaves into it -- then create an USB library for the
                      > iPhone for people to write to and then its a matter of programming. The
                      > other option is a WiFi connected DV Dongle type device (he has written
                      > applications to use bluetooth on the iPhone and does not recommend it for
                      > any serious programming).
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > On Feb 21, 2010, at 10:55 AM, Larry Bowman wrote:
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > Just got a new Iphone and think.... what if I could hook the dongle to the
                      > Iphone. Does anyone else have an iphone and wondering llll
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > What IF?
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > wb5ugc
                      >
                      > larry
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      >
                      > John D. Hays
                      > Amateur Radio Station K7VE <http://k7ve.org>
                      > PO Box 1223
                      > Edmonds, WA 98020-1223
                      >
                      > VOIP/SIP: john@...
                      > Email: john@...
                      >
                    • Chris Fowler
                      ... I m cleaning up my inbox so this reply is a bit old. I ve thought about issues like this for a while and the iPhone, iTouch, and possibly iPad does not
                      Message 10 of 11 , Apr 13 6:40 AM
                        On Mon, 2010-02-22 at 09:38 -0800, John Hays wrote:
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                        > Look your iPhone over very carefully, I think you will find it does
                        > not have an USB jack. DV Dongles plug into the host using USB.


                        I'm cleaning up my inbox so this reply is a bit old.

                        I've thought about issues like this for a while and the iPhone, iTouch,
                        and possibly iPad does not need a USB connector but one would not be
                        required.

                        It is possible to run a server on a remote host to allow access to the
                        DVDongle but this is not ideal as the requirements are 230Kbps.

                        Why not use a codec? In the VoIP world we do this all the time with
                        systems that don't support the same codec. An application can convert
                        the audio to GSM and use something like SIP/RTP to communicate to an
                        application running on a home computer that uses the dongle.

                        If your network is setup correctly and someone greats and iPhone
                        application that would be allowed by Apple this could be the answer.

                        The Dongle is also a half-duplex device right? You can not decode and
                        code audio at the same time. On D-Star only one person can TX anyway so
                        it could be possible that the same application could multiplex multiple
                        clients to one Dongle. The server app would need to track call signs
                        and insert them into the packet on transmission.

                        If anyone wants to write something like this for the Dongle then I
                        should be able to provide a 100mbs connection to the Internet for
                        testing. I can also provide the Linux system too.

                        Chris k4fh
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