Re: [DVDongle] Re: Radio Interface for DV-DONGLE operation
- On Oct 20, 2009, at 5:07 PM, aa4rc wrote:
> On another tangent, I spoke with ARRL legal about this issue andThis is a downright WRONG answer. Who gave you this opinion?!
> their claim (correct or not) was that, if you have a user coming in
> from the internet and the first RF generated is on the remote end
> from the user, that transmitter on the remote end must ID the user.
> In essence, the first place RF comes out must ID the user. This
> statement has many interesting rammifications, especially for multi-
> national conversations.
This would mean EchoLink from Headset to RF (PC-Net-RF), IRLP to IRLP
(RF-Net-RF), and repeater links (RF-Link Frequency-RF) which all ID
with the transmitter owner's ID, NOT the user calling from the Net,
would be illegal. NONE of those send the person on the other end's
callsign as their ID.
They need to go read the "Auxiliary Station" section of Part 97
again. Those are exactly what Net-to-RF links are, here in the U.S.,
and they've supported that opinion (I have the text and graphics from
QST where they said it, complete with it being noted as Chris Imlay's
opinion (ARRL Legal Counsel)... it's on a hard drive here somewhere.
This is what drove the request to the FCC to open up 2m to Auxiliary
Station use, since vast quantities of simplex EchoLink and IRLP nodes
were being operated illegally on VHF simplex for years*.
*Auxiliary Stations once were limited to 222 MHz and above in Part 97,
this changed a few years ago.
Nate Duehr, WY0X
- On Oct 20, 2009, at 5:49 PM, aa4rc wrote:
> I was worried that this would digress. The worry was that if you mixStill doesn't matter as long as the OPERATOR of that analog station
> dstar audio (where the user does not have to voice ID) and analog
> audio (where the user does have to voice ID), the dstar user may not
> be ID'd on the analog portion of the RF link. The extreme example of
> this is linking a dstar repeater where users are using d-rats
> without audio into an analog repeater. Lots of transmissions, no
> voice ID's.
sends a legal ID. A pile of kerchunks and a 10 minute ID won't
"sound" right to listeners of "traditional" analog systems, but still
legal, and they can still find the operator of the analog station if
they have a problem with it, or want more information.
Nate Duehr, WY0X
- At 10:49 AM 10/21/2009, you wrote:
>I was worried that this would digress. The worry was that if youI can see your point. Might be a case where VOX is actually the best
>mix dstar audio (where the user does not have to voice ID) and
>analog audio (where the user does have to voice ID), the dstar user
>may not be ID'd on the analog portion of the RF link. The extreme
>example of this is linking a dstar repeater where users are using
>d-rats without audio into an analog repeater. Lots of
>transmissions, no voice ID's.
interface method, given that a VOX would ignore the D-RATS, so the
dead carriers don't get rebroadcast on the other side. The rest, I
don't see as a big issue, at least not currently, the vast majority
of hams still voice ID out of decades of habit, and will probably
continue to do so, since it serves a purpose (like it's hard to look
at your radio while driving)...
I don't see it as a big problem, and the analogue link could send an
advisory message to any connecting node. On reflectors, there's less
of an issue, because exchanging callsigns is the most common way of
passing control in nets and roundtables.
There are some real legal issues here (we have a biggie that comes
into play when the analogue and digital endpoints are both in
Australia, and the analogue is on 10m, 2m or 70cm), but we know how
to manage these issues.
73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL
- At 01:57 PM 10/21/2009, you wrote:
>Still doesn't matter as long as the OPERATOR of that analog stationWhich is existing practice on IRLP and Echolink.
>sends a legal ID. A pile of kerchunks and a 10 minute ID won't
>"sound" right to listeners of "traditional" analog systems, but stillAs I said, a properly setup VOX could probably mitigate this problem,
>legal, and they can still find the operator of the analog station if
>they have a problem with it, or want more information.
in any case.
73 de VK3JED / VK3IRL