Re: TERMS: SUV, forward pass + THANKS: Scull &Bones + motions
- --- In Czechlist@y..., "Irena Steinerova" <irena.steinerova@w...>
> First of all, I would like to thank to everyone for theirsuggestions about
> Scull&Bones (I decided to call it simply "tajny spolek Lebka shnaty").
I'm not sure it's so secret, actually, considering it took me all of
10 seconds to find a list of famous past members and detailed
descriptions of their bizarre initiation ceremonies. All good clean
fun, I'm sure. Hmmm, maybe we should have something like that for
Czechlist members...:) Tajnustkarsky rather than tajny, if you ask me.
>Does anyone know what an SUV (sport utility vehicle) is called inCzech? It does not have to be an "official" term, just a colloquial
name. (In my case, it is a Lincoln Navigator). I know what it looks
like, but what the hell people call it? I have found "vozidlo pro
volny cas", but it is too long and seems strange.
>Here's a few alternatives for you that I found by looking it up with
the Czech filter on in Google's advanced search feature (so of course
they are all authoritative, Karel :)). Talking of search engines, I'd
be interested in your thoughts on www.webfast.cz - a kind of Czech
uplatnìna pøi tvorbì nejnovìjího vozu pro volný èas - SUV (Sport
utility vehicle) znaèky Hyundai. Santa Fe pøichází s neuvìøitelným
(Sport Utility Vehicle - vozidlo pro volný èas) kombinuje prostor s
vytøíbeným interiérem a nabízí ...
PIT STOP - Slovník automobilových pojmù a zkratek:
SUV Sport Utility Vehicle - sportovnì uitkové vozy
(Sport Utility Vehicle - Sportovnì Uitkové Vozidlo). ...
Je to hybrid mezi tzv. sport-utility-vehicle a sedanem. V podstatì
pøedstavuje luxusní kanceláø na kolech s libovolnì ...
- In a message dated 2/2/02 5:03:36 AM, irena.steinerova@... writes:
>I have found "vozidlo proThat really is strange. Your instinct is correct, because most SUVs are not
>volny cas", but it is too long and seems strange.
used only for recreation, but as a main family vehicle. Another term for SUV
would be "all-terrain vehicle". This is also tricky, because most SUV
drivers -- especially those with Lincoln Navigators -- never go off-roading
in them. They are driven mainly for image, for their size (to some
Americans, size = safety), for their better road visibility, and for their
perceived practicality. For the Lincoln Navigator specifically, you could
make up a Czech term that means something to the effect of "luxury
all-terrain vehicle". In fact, I think it's sometimes referred to this way
even in English. For that segment of the vehicle market in general, you
could also describe it "passenger utility vehicle". That term also appears
in English sometimes. In English we can't call it a "Jeep", because as it
says on the advertisements, "Jeep is a registered trademark of
DaimlerChrysler," but you may be able to call an SUV a "dz^íp" in Czech, but
that's not quite right either. My automotive dictionary offers "terénní
osobní vúz", which sounds accurate to my non-Czech ears, but my guess is that
you'll probably have to make up a term yourself.
BTW, I once had a class of students in the CR who said that English was not
an expressive language and had a smaller vocabulary than Czech, while Czech
had a word for everything on earth. One of the first things I did to prove
them wrong was to present them with a bunch of everyday English terms for
different types of cars and for various driving maneuvers. For most terms
they could not come up with a Czech equivalent. Then I started the same
thing with pastry...
BTW, it may help you a little to understand why the Lincoln Navigator even
came about. (I worked for years in automotive communications and advertising
in Detroit.) Lincoln and Cadillac had been severely losing market share for
a number of years, because their traditional customers were dying. I mean
they were literally getting old and dying! So, both companies had to come up
with something to lure younger customers. Baby-boomers are embarrassed by
overt displays of luxury, unless they appear "practical" somehow, so the
answer was to come up with a luxury SUV.
>The other question relates to football. I have the following sentence:Woody
>"...a lawyer who holds his speech in the same kind of suspicion with which
>Hayes viewed the forward pass." OK, I have found that W.H. was a footballIt's not the person (in fact, I have never even heard the term used to refer
>coach and I understand that "forward pass" can be either a person or "hozeni
>mice na protivnikovu branku". But which one fits the context??
to a person). It's the "hozeni mice" meaning.
Would you by any chance be translating a training manual for salespeople?
Those things are always full of sports stories that don't translate into othe
r cultures. What do you do with that? In fact, when those things would
appear on our desks for the first time, my coworkers and I used to play a
game: "Hey, you guys! Is this one going to be football, basketball or
baseball?" You might tell the client that American football stories are
meaningless to Czechs and ask for another way to handle that section.
They'll probably be totally ignorant of foreign cultures and tell you "just
translate it", but at least you'll have said something. At one company where
I worked, the account people told the Spanish translator "just translate it",
and the title of the automotive sales training program came out in Puerto
Rican Spanish meaning "A Big Bowel Movement". It had been printed all over
pens, note pads and T-shirts to be given to the seminar participants, and the
problem wasn't discovered until right before "show time".
- I still think that "vozidlo pro volny cas" is a terrible translation of the
term, and very inaccurate. That calque "sportovni uzitkovy vuz" is better,
but I don't know if it sounds natural to Czechs.
Keep in mind that automotive companies in the US, and their ad agencies,
almost never check the accuracy of those translations, so bad terms -- or
even completely nonsensical terms -- can go undetected. They can even
perpetuate themselves under the justification that, "That's what they used
last time," or "It's what we usually use," etc. In one manual I went over,
they were using the Spanish equivalent of "záliv" to refer to a section of a
garage. It was totally nonsensical and incomprehensible, but people
justified it by saying, "That's been used before!" So, keep in mind that you
can change a pre-existing bad term to a good one, and probably no one will
notice on the American side, and on the Czech side they may even be grateful.
> I still think that "vozidlo pro volny cas" is a terribletranslation of the
> term, and very inaccurate. That calque "sportovni uzitkovy vuz" isI go with on this Jamie. I have been always used to call such
cars "terenni vuz" or "terenak" (colloquial style).
- SUV is Sport Utility Vehicle, as I'm sure you know, I've seen it translated
Sportovni uzitkovy vuz in Czecho, but don't think it's anything else than a
I've also seen these acronyms (SUV, HRV, etc) used as such - I think they
are understood among car people, maybe try using SUV, explaining it and then
sticking to it?
----- Original Message -----
From: Irena Steinerova <irena.steinerova@...>
To: Czechlist <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 02, 2002 11:03 AM
Subject: [Czechlist] TERMS: SUV, forward pass + THANKS: Scull &Bones +
> First of all, I would like to thank to everyone for their suggestions
> Scull&Bones (I decided to call it simply "tajny spolek Lebka s hnaty").
> thanks to Michal Borek and Michael Trittipo for their valuable help with a
> discovery motion/m. to supress!
> Today, I have two more questions. The first one is related to vehicles
> topic I am quite ignorant of): Does anyone know what an SUV (sport utility
> vehicle) is called in Czech? It does not have to be an "official" term,
> a colloquial name. (In my case, it is a Lincoln Navigator). I know what it
> looks like, but what the hell people call it? I have found "vozidlo pro
> volny cas", but it is too long and seems strange.
> The other question relates to football. I have the following sentence:
> lawyer who holds his speech in the same kind of suspicion with which Woody
> Hayesviewed the forward pass." OK, I have found that W.H. was a football
> coach and I understand that "forward pass" can be either a person or
> mice na protivnikovu branku". But which one fits the context??
> Many thanks in advance!
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- In a message dated 2/2/02 11:07:25 AM, otto@... writes:
>> I still think that "vozidlo pro volny cas" is a terribleI think "vozidlo pro volny cas" must originally have been the translation of
>translation of the
>> term, and very inaccurate. That calque "sportovni uzitkovy vuz" is
>I go with on this Jamie. I have been always used to call such
>cars "terenni vuz" or "terenak" (colloquial style).
"recreational vehicle" ("RV" for short), and was then misapplied to SUVs.