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Re: TERM: pece radneho hospodare

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  • zehrovak@dr.com
    ... businesses ... Amongst many other things! ... Or has he?? ... care (or ... dealings on ... OKAY we are talking Section 194(5) of the Commercial Code. Why
    Message 1 of 8 , Oct 1, 2001
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      --- In Czechlist@y..., "PSS Praha - Coilin O' Connor"
      <coilin.oconnor@s...> wrote:
      > Thanks to Petr, Karel and Melvyn for their help with this term.
      >
      > I agree with Melvyn in that "due diligence", despite having a lovely
      > familiar ring to it, seems to refer more to the procedures that
      businesses
      > should apply before acquiring a new company.

      Amongst many other things!

      > It looks like the mighty M has come up trumps again.

      Or has he??
      >
      > The little context I had was that "pece radneho hospodare" was the
      care (or
      > diligence) a board of directors should take during all their
      dealings on
      > behalf of their company.

      OKAY we are talking Section 194(5) of the Commercial Code. Why didn't
      you say??

      >
      > jsou zejmena povinny vykonavat svou funkci s peci radneho hospodare

      (possibly an old version filched in a hurry from the net somewhere)

      Now what does it say in the Trade Links translation....?

      the board of directors shall exercise their range of powers with DUE
      DILIGENCE

      !

      M.
    • PSS Praha - Coilin O' Connor
      ... Well all I can say is that I would never like to cross swords (swish swish - more of which anon) with the mighty M on a dark night down a rarely frequented
      Message 2 of 8 , Oct 1, 2001
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        > --- In Czechlist@y..., "PSS Praha - Coilin O' Connor"
        > <coilin.oconnor@s...> wrote:
        > > Thanks to Petr, Karel and Melvyn for their help with this term.
        > >
        > > I agree with Melvyn in that "due diligence", despite having a lovely
        > > familiar ring to it, seems to refer more to the procedures that
        > businesses
        > > should apply before acquiring a new company.
        >
        > Amongst many other things!
        >
        > > It looks like the mighty M has come up trumps again.
        >
        > Or has he??
        > >
        > > The little context I had was that "pece radneho hospodare" was the
        > care (or
        > > diligence) a board of directors should take during all their
        > dealings on
        > > behalf of their company.
        >
        > OKAY we are talking Section 194(5) of the Commercial Code. Why didn't
        > you say??
        >
        > >
        > > jsou zejmena povinny vykonavat svou funkci s peci radneho hospodare
        >
        > (possibly an old version filched in a hurry from the net somewhere)
        >
        > Now what does it say in the Trade Links translation....?
        >
        > the board of directors shall exercise their range of powers with DUE
        > DILIGENCE
        >
        > !
        >
        > M.


        Well all I can say is that I would never like to cross swords (swish swish -
        more of which anon) with the mighty M on a dark night down a rarely
        frequented alleyway of Czenglish translation. His tenacity knows no bounds.

        This whole episode reminds me of my first year in college when I had to take
        an English course that was called something like "Marxist Literary Theory
        from a Deconstructionist, New-Historicist Perspective" (this being Sept.
        1989 when "binary oppositions etc." still had some significance). The
        course had us doing all sorts amiable nonsense such as reading Tristram
        Shandy backwards (not a bad idea actually) to writing "reactions" on the
        inherent cultural assumptions contained in the ingredients label of a
        ketchup bottle (don´t ask).
        It was all pretty silly really, but made a nice change from a Leaving
        Certificate syllabus that had me hearing the swishing of swords in the
        alliteration of Lepanto and suchlike. However, one lecture has always stuck
        out in my mind. It was from some mad socialist Scottish bloke/professor who
        ranted passionately about Saussure and Lacan and how language was nothing
        but a circular series of signs, and compared it with the life cycle of some
        microscopic worm that eventually grew into a ring and started eating itself
        back to its beginning via its tail.

        I never really had any inkling what he was talking about until today.

        Thank you Melvyn

        Yours probably very tiredly and ramblingly

        Cóilín
      • zehrovak@dr.com
        ... swish - more of which anon) with the mighty M on a dark night down a rarely frequented alleyway of Czenglish translation. His tenacity knows no bounds.
        Message 3 of 8 , Oct 2, 2001
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          Cóilín wrote:
          >Well all I can say is that I would never like to cross swords (swish
          swish - more of which anon) with the mighty M on a dark night down a
          rarely frequented alleyway of Czenglish translation. His tenacity
          knows no bounds.


          Cooee, over here, Cóilín. Yes, sorry to mess you around with my
          ditherings over 'due diligence' :). I would still quite possibly avoid
          it in this context, myself, for the aforementioned reasons, but I
          thought I'd better give a fuller picture and correct my previous
          statements on convention being against it...


          >The course had us doing all sorts amiable nonsense such as reading
          Tristram Shandy backwards (not a bad idea actually)


          The opening paragraph is really good but I won't spoil it for you.


          >to writing "reactions" on the inherent cultural assumptions contained
          in the ingredients label of a ketchup bottle (don´t ask).

          An essential grounding for any translator, I would have thought.

          > It was from some mad socialist Scottish bloke/professor who ranted
          passionately about Saussure and Lacan and how language was nothing but
          a circular series of signs, and compared it with the life cycle of
          some microscopic worm that eventually grew into a ring and started
          eating itself back to its beginning via its tail.


          Ah, Ourobos gets everywhere.

          > I never really had any inkling what he was talking about until
          today.

          Satori huh? :) I have another theory - that language is essentially a
          ten-to-eleven-on shot. With any word that we utter, we have on average
          (I have the calculations here) a ten-to-eleven-on chance of conveying
          at least 80% of our intended referent, primary meanings and
          connotations (the figure is perhaps badly distorted by some
          translation agency dispatchers). However, as soon as we go for
          multiple bets and permutations with whole sentences or even paragraphs
          then sooner or later, by the law of probabilities, all communication
          is doomed and the best that those who rely on words alone can ever
          hope for is to wall in their little gardens for a while with stones
          from Babel.

          > Thank you Melvyn

          I have a request, for you, Cóilín. When you get a moment, could you
          explain Lacan's ideas in a paragraph or two for me, pretty please??

          Melvyn - swishing off to an early lunch. Now what is it going to be?
          Oh, what a surprise! Mushrooms. The hrib strakos is popping up all
          over the place round here. Best year for mushrooms since Cernobyl,
          they say.
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