Computer Aided Translation
- Hi all
> >you would writetranslator
> >programs for your damned computers that would be cheaper than any
> >would be.I read an article in a magazine dealing with this topic. It said that there
> >Hmmmm, it's happening, very slowly but surely.....
> Don't hold your breath. Have you ever read machine translation
> output? It's occasionally good for a laugh but not much else.
> "Machine translation is about where self-steering automobiles are."
> - Bjorn Austraadt
are good programs translating American English to Mexican Spanish and
American English to Japanese. I do not anything about Japanese and very
little Spanish. (Astala vista, baby! - from Terminator, Muchas gracias -
from a book for teenagers, Buenos Aires - oh, sorry it is a town). I think
it is possible to create a good working translator. If the languages it
works with have relatively regular grammar - or 100% regular as some
artificial languages have (i.e. Esperanto) - the translation might be OK.
Actually I can hardly imagine a program able to recognise all features and
irregularities of Slavonic languages. The Czech or Polish grammars look like
A friend of mine, who is a Chinese-Czech translator, told me about a Chinese
businessman who uses a computer that translates Chinese symbols into written
English and vice versa. He said the program could translate only very simple
sentences, because the languages are too different.
I am not afraid of those programs. If some good ones come, there still will
be a lot of work for us. I do not believe any machine can translate real
literature. They might have intelligence in the future but they will never
have hearts and souls.
> be a lot of work for us. I do not believe any machine can translate realI would not be so sure about that. It is only a question of sufficient
> literature. They might have intelligence in the future but they will never
> have hearts and souls.
processing power, memory and really huge database of every possible meaning.
Look at a very sophisticated example at:
it is really blood-curdling :-)
Have a nice day,
- Dear fellow list members,
Svrbi' mne jazyk (`my tongue is itching' - how is this in English?), so I better
[Michael Grant says:]
> They've gone down quite a bit--most of the leading packages (at leastI agree. The other thing is that the translation should be in the same format as
> the "individual" versions) are well below $1000 now, and are no
> longer out of reach for translators with a "western" clientele. I'm
> told they pay for themselves pretty quickly if you do certain kinds
> of repetitive text (which you receive in the form of electronic
> files, not hard copy or fax).
[Otto Pacholik says:]
> > BTW: isSome time ago I persuaded my wife - who is the professional translator from the
> > there anyone on the list who has worked with a CAT system?
> Yes, there is. I have been working with DejaVu for some 3 years and I can
> confirm I have earned a lot of money, thanks to this tool. I have also
> experience with Trados and IBM TM.
two of us - to make the investment and there is no reason to regret it. I can
only second Otto's experience. The longer you use it, the better resources you
have and the better chance that the input at least partially matches something
which has been translated already. Of course, at least at the start you should
feed in aligned parallel texts and glossaries.
In my opinion, the best thing about those tools is that you are no longer
frustrated by trying in vain to remember/find how you translated this some time
ago. Also, some people say that translators and agencies will soon be routinely
exchanging not only glossaries, but also databases of translations. However,
some translation agencies may try to use such tools for sending their
translators only `squeezed out' texts - without parts present in previous
translations and even without `internal repetitions'. But this is another story.
We were considering Trados Workbench and Atril DejaVu. The former is more widely
used and was cheaper with more intuitive interface for those accustomed to MS
Word, the latter has better customer support, is better in dealing with DTP
formats and offers more functions - like assembling translation of a sentence
from portions found at different places in the database. The latter won.
[Michael Grant says further:]
> Still haven't used one myself, unless you count WordFisher, but sinceMichael, that's a very good idea. There are a number DTP formats around and lots
> there basically aren't any for the Macintosh, I'm thinking of
> eventually creating my own for the Mac market.
of DTP stuff done on the Mac, and often these types of documents are good
candidates for CAT: the translator can receive a graphical image of the original
file (a pdf file) and seperately the text to be translated. No need to own a
range of costly licenses for the DTP software and no need to learn to handle
them. And the Mac<->PC conversion tends to be a tricky business. However, it
would be nice if a Mac user could share a TM database with a PC user.
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>Michael, that's a very good idea. There are a number DTP formatsThanks for the support. Lord knows if I'll ever find the time. My
>around and lots
>of DTP stuff done on the Mac, and often these types of documents are good
>candidates for CAT: the translator can receive a graphical image of
>file (a pdf file) and seperately the text to be translated. No need to own a
>range of costly licenses for the DTP software and no need to learn to handle
>them. And the Mac<->PC conversion tends to be a tricky business. However, it
>would be nice if a Mac user could share a TM database with a PC user.
product will definitely have to support TMX and Unicode for
cross-platform compatibility. I'd like to base it on 4th Dimension,
but so far I'm not sure it has all the capabilities that I'd need.
I'm also keeping an eye on Panorama and Omnis, and even good old
Any database wizzes on the list?
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