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Re: 4 Changes to English So Subtle We Hardly Notice They're Happening

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  • Melvyn
    Back in the day we all used to say most assuredly, definitely, utterly, completely, absolutely...and not...at all. Totally covers all that now. Totes magotes.
    Message 1 of 19 , Jul 9, 2013
      Back in the day we all used to say most assuredly, definitely, utterly, completely, absolutely...and not...at all.

      Totally covers all that now. Totes magotes.
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4lex8dpmO8

      BR

      Melvyn

      --- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com, "Pilucha, Jiri" <jiri.pilucha@...> wrote:
      >
      > "Did you know about xx?"
      > "I totally didn't"
      > (overheard in LA)
      >
      >
      > From: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Czechlist@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Melvyn
      > Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2013 6:08 PM
      > To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com
      > Subject: [Czechlist] Re: 4 Changes to English So Subtle We Hardly Notice They're Happening
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      >
      > "So going to do sth" does strike me as very 21st century. So does "like totally going to do sth". Perhaps I missed out on the valley girl thing.
      >
      > My niece in Yorkshire now refers to us as "you guys". Whatever next?
      >
      > BR
      >
      > Melvyn
      >
      > --- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Czechlist%40yahoogroups.com>, "wustpisk" <gerry.vickers@<mailto:gerry.vickers@>> wrote:
      > >
      > >
      > > Come to think of it, 'to be loving sth.' (or maybe 'to be lovin' sth.') is probably more common that 'to be liking sth.'
      > >
      > > This is another one in the same vein: http://pinterest.com/eschos/i-am-so-going-there/
      > >
      > >
      > > --- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Czechlist%40yahoogroups.com>, "Melvyn" <zehrovak@> wrote:
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > As Valerie pointed out, the -ing here can make it can sound more vivid.
      > > >
      > > > We were discussing something similar some time ago.
      > > >
      > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Czechlist/message/29290
      > > >
      > > > BR
      > > >
      > > > Melvyn
      > > >
      > > >
      > > > --- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Czechlist%40yahoogroups.com>, James Kirchner <czechlist@> wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > It's annoying, but it does convey the reality that the person is experiencing fleeting enjoyment from something that he may not enjoy anymore a couple minutes later.
      > > > >
      > > > > Often I have to admit that some nonstandard usages of English that zing my fillings actually do express something that the standard forms might not.
      > > > >
      > > > > Jamie
      > > > >
      > > > > On Jul 9, 2013, at 9:44 AM, wustpisk wrote:
      > > > >
      > > > > >
      > > > > > One thing I detest, and I have noticed it creeping insidiously more and more into the language via the media (largely of the Simon Cowell variety), is the apparently new verb 'to be liking'
      > > > > > e.g. 'I am liking that' or, even more criminally, 'I am SO liking that', and so on. Such abominations generally warrant an immediate reach over to the 'off' button on the remote and a need to cleanse the mind of such impurities.
      > > > > >
      > > > > > --- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com<mailto:Czechlist%40yahoogroups.com>, "Melvyn" <zehrovak@> wrote:
      > > > > >>
      > > > > >>
      > > > > >>
      > > > > >> There are occasions when I would prefer start -ing over start to, but this may be just a personal stylistic thing. Normally I teach students that the two are pretty much interchangeable.
      > > > > >>
      > > > > >>
      > > > > >> He started playing the guitar when he was thirteen.
      > > > > >> I prefer this form if the guitar-playing went on for some considerable time, e.g. if he is a famous guitarist today. If he were interrupted then I would prefer e.g. He picked up the guitar and started to play, but dad yelled from upstairs etc...
      > > > > >>
      > > > > >> You will have to start dealing with these situations yourself.
      > > > > >> Here I would also avoid "to start to" just for reasons of euphony. Sounds a bit kinda jerky to me.
      > > > > >>
      > > > > >> But as I say, this is possibly just my idiolect.
      > > > > >>
      > > > > >> A note on like to/like ing
      > > > > >>
      > > > > >> If you want to stress enjoyment and pleasure then IMHO go for like -ing. If you think something is correct and proper then go for like to. Compare
      > > > > >>
      > > > > >> I like getting up at five in the morning and going for a ten-mile run (I am a bit weird and you should avoid getting into conversation with me if at all possible)
      > > > > >>
      > > > > >> I like to get up at five in the morning etc (e.g. I think one ought to, by Jove)
      > > > > >>
      > > > > >> I have come across this distinction in textbooks and elsewhere e.g.
      > > > > >> http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=2161017
      > > > > >>
      > > > > >> but I am sure BrEng and USEng usage also differs and of course many would ignore all potential differences.
      > > > > >>
      > > > > >> More when I get a moment.
      > > > > >>
      > > > > >> BR
      > > > > >>
      > > > > >> Melvyn
      > > > > >>
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