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  • James Kirchner
    The wonderful thing about Hillary Clinton s national healthcare plan was that it called for prison sentences for patients who sought out private care and for
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      The wonderful thing about Hillary Clinton's national healthcare plan was that it called for prison sentences for patients who sought out private care and for doctors who provided it.

      You see, while most Americans are for healthcare reform, there has never been a law proposed that most Americans approve of.

      I'm signing off this one too.

      Jamie

      On Jul 12, 2012, at 11:53 AM, hgeige@... wrote:

      >
      > Very briefly, as this is getting tedious and there is an immense
      > communication gap.
      >
      > Mr. Obama's program is not, and never was, the only program, or should I
      > write programme, ha ha. He dreamt that in America there will be a system
      > similar to England, France, Germany, Sweden, etc.
      > In all these countries right to affordable healthcare is indeed just that:
      > a citizen's right.
      >
      > You are right about one thing: in America it is not a right. Some very
      > right-wing even say that it comes from God, after all, religion is the favorite
      > crutch of many.
      >
      > When it got to being voted on, it was rejected, modified, etc.etc., and
      > came out as the cripple that it is now, spread over many years, and
      > signifying 'not much'.
      >
      > Old people in America have Medicare which is actually a national system,
      > but guess what: it pays only 80% of the cost, so my mom and others have a
      > private insurance which covers the rest.
      >
      > So, if even the old cannot be insured fully, Mr. Obama, and, by the way Mr.
      > Clinton (actually it was Mrs. Clinton in 1998) who both wanted the same
      > insurance as they have themselves as government employees, for everyone,
      > and affordable, are, were, dreamers indeed.
      >
      > I am carefully avoiding words such a "business", "political party" etc.
      >
      > I am signing off on this, but since you have addressed everyone as to my
      > previous "ranting", I am putting this to everyone as well
      >
      > P.S. HMOs, as you may know, were started by Richard Nixon and tapes exist
      > of him saying "give it to them and let them think that they are getting
      > something good". These were, by the way, strictly business propositions.
      >
      > OK, sorry, no more from me on this, have to work.
      >
      > Hannah
      >
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      > Sent: 7/12/2012 11:10:04 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time
      > Subj: Re: [Czechlist] "Scheme"
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      >
      > So, Hannah, tell me why the Obamacare law is the only possible, and the
      > best possible way to reform healthcare. It's not. And why is the only way to
      > give everyone the "right to healthcare" to follow that convoluted Obamacare
      > law? It's not.
      >
      > In any case, heathcare is not one of the constitutionally enumerated
      > rights. Neither is five weeks' vacation.
      >
      > You need to do some research yourself.
      >
      > Jamie
      >
      > On Jul 12, 2012, at 10:50 AM, _hgeige@..._ (mailto:hgeige@...)
      > wrote:
      >
      >> You forgot one group, the most numerous one, which is not the poor or
      >> working poor, but the middle class who often cannot afford the insurance
      > rates.
      >> In the USA this is a political issue, National Health Insurance to the
      >> Americans smells of "socialism". In a normal democracy, every citizen
      > should
      >> have a right to medical care.
      >>
      >> Ironically, this is the major political issue, not to mention an
      > election
      >> issue, in America now.
      >>
      >> I humbly maintain that every citizen has a right to medical care. The
      >> poor gather in the ER for a regular doctor's visit.
      >>
      >> It seems like we are both from a different planet, although we live in
      > the
      >> same country.
      >>
      >> Should you wish to label this under "ranting", I suggest some research
      > on
      >> your part.
      >>
      >> Hannah
      >>
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