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Kdo to psal - byl to NS ?

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  • Jaroslav Suchánek
    Mile kolegyne a kolegove, mam dojem, ze nize uvedene texty nepsal rodily mluvci. Mam dojem, ze takto by se nevyjadril. Citim tam trochu Czenglish. Neptejte
    Message 1 of 8 , Jun 6, 2011
      Mile kolegyne a kolegove,
      mam dojem, ze nize uvedene texty nepsal rodily mluvci. Mam dojem, ze
      takto by se nevyjadril. Citim tam trochu Czenglish. Neptejte se me
      na duvody, proc to chci vedet, ale muzete to prosim posoudit?

      Diky Jarda Suchanek

      +++++++++++++++++
      Good evening Gentlemen

      I have been reading this forum for some time, using 'Google Translate', which is difficult, and sometimes amusing. I have found the forum very useful, and the only comprehensive information I have found regarding the Tile Stoves. Unfortunately I only speak English. Perhaps someone can read this, and answer a question for me.
      I intend to use tiles for the outer skin of my stove. Firebrick core, air gap, then tiles. The construction photos on the site show the tiles being filled with square plates and mortar. Also between the tiles, behind the wires. But these stoves seem to be single skinned, without an air gap.
      Is this same method used when constructing a traditional double skinned stove, with air gap? I ask because a German friend assures me that the tiles are left hollow, without filling, in a double skinned stove.
      I hope some kind person can assist a Tasmanian stove builder.
      Thank you in anticipation,
      Mick Peart

      +++++++++++++++++ I thank you, Mister Supec, and Mister Igony, for
      your advice. The stoves are hardly known here in Australia. I have
      found 3 stoves only, all with metal inserts, built by German
      immigrants. But no heavy accumulation masonry stoves. I admired many
      Tile Stoves in CZ and Slovakia while I was travelling there last year,
      and decided they were ideal for the cold mountain regions of Tasmania.
      I now await my tiles, fire-clay slices, and door, which I have to
      import. Cheers, Mick
      ***************************
    • Matej Klimes
      To me, it seems altogether plausible that the person who wrote this could be a native. I don t see any obvious traces of CZEnglish (as opposed to Germglish or
      Message 2 of 8 , Jun 6, 2011
        To me, it seems altogether plausible that the person who wrote this
        could be a native.
        I don't see any obvious traces of CZEnglish (as opposed to Germglish or
        other..), apart from a few technical terms which may be different in
        English (if they exist), but as the guy says, the stoves don't exist
        there, so he's probably making things up using Google translate.

        IMHO Some of the sentences sound a bit funny (word order, structure,
        grammar), but nothing you wouldn't see on other Web forums (there are
        100% natives out there who don't spell and write like robots), most
        people don't spend an extra minute to edit/polish what they write on
        Internet forums, native or not..

        Not sure why you need to know this, but I would say it's entirely
        possible the author is native - not everyone is a Cambridge graduate,
        especially out in Tasmania:)... it's also possible he's not native, he
        just lives there and comes from Germany or some other third country,
        but IMHO that shouldn't matter that much... I don't see any
        'bulletproof proof' of the author being Czech/it being Czenglish..

        M
        ------ Original Message ------
        From: "Jaroslav Suchánek" <jardas@...>
        To: "Czechlist" <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: 6.6.2011 9:10:15
        Subject: [Czechlist] Kdo to psal - byl to NS ?
        > Mile kolegyne a kolegove,
        >mam dojem, ze nize uvedene texty nepsal rodily mluvci. Mam dojem, ze
        >takto by se nevyjadril. Citim tam trochu Czenglish. Neptejte se me
        >na duvody, proc to chci vedet, ale muzete to prosim posoudit?
        >
        >Diky Jarda Suchanek
        >
        >+++++++++++++++++
        >Good evening Gentlemen
        >
        >I have been reading this forum for some time, using 'Google
        >Translate', which is difficult, and sometimes amusing. I have found
        >the forum very useful, and the only comprehensive information I have
        >found regarding the Tile Stoves. Unfortunately I only speak English.
        >Perhaps someone can read this, and answer a question for me.
        >I intend to use tiles for the outer skin of my stove. Firebrick core,
        >air gap, then tiles. The construction photos on the site show the
        >tiles being filled with square plates and mortar. Also between the
        >tiles, behind the wires. But these stoves seem to be single skinned,
        >without an air gap.
        >Is this same method used when constructing a traditional double
        >skinned stove, with air gap? I ask because a German friend assures me
        >that the tiles are left hollow, without filling, in a double skinned
        >stove.
        >I hope some kind person can assist a Tasmanian stove builder.
        >Thank you in anticipation,
        >Mick Peart
        >
        >+++++++++++++++++ I thank you, Mister Supec, and Mister Igony, for
        >your advice. The stoves are hardly known here in Australia. I have
        >found 3 stoves only, all with metal inserts, built by German
        >immigrants. But no heavy accumulation masonry stoves. I admired many
        >Tile Stoves in CZ and Slovakia while I was travelling there last year,
        >and decided they were ideal for the cold mountain regions of Tasmania.
        >I now await my tiles, fire-clay slices, and door, which I have to
        >import. Cheers, Mick
        >***************************
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >__________ Informace od ESET Smart Security, verze databaze 6182
        >(20110605) __________
        >
        >Tuto zpravu proveril ESET Smart Security.
        >
        >http://www.eset.cz/


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      • Charlie Stanford Translations
        I go along with Matej. Some things look a bit funny (like not abbreviating Mister) but overall it sounds pretty passable. ... From: Matej Klimes To:
        Message 3 of 8 , Jun 6, 2011
          I go along with Matej. Some things look a bit funny (like not abbreviating Mister) but overall it sounds pretty passable.

          ----- Original Message -----
          From: Matej Klimes
          To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com
          Sent: Monday, June 06, 2011 9:23 AM
          Subject: Re: [Czechlist] Kdo to psal - byl to NS ?



          To me, it seems altogether plausible that the person who wrote this
          could be a native.
          I don't see any obvious traces of CZEnglish (as opposed to Germglish or
          other..), apart from a few technical terms which may be different in
          English (if they exist), but as the guy says, the stoves don't exist
          there, so he's probably making things up using Google translate.

          IMHO Some of the sentences sound a bit funny (word order, structure,
          grammar), but nothing you wouldn't see on other Web forums (there are
          100% natives out there who don't spell and write like robots), most
          people don't spend an extra minute to edit/polish what they write on
          Internet forums, native or not..

          Not sure why you need to know this, but I would say it's entirely
          possible the author is native - not everyone is a Cambridge graduate,
          especially out in Tasmania:)... it's also possible he's not native, he
          just lives there and comes from Germany or some other third country,
          but IMHO that shouldn't matter that much... I don't see any
          'bulletproof proof' of the author being Czech/it being Czenglish..

          M
          ------ Original Message ------
          From: "Jaroslav Suchánek" <jardas@...>
          To: "Czechlist" <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: 6.6.2011 9:10:15
          Subject: [Czechlist] Kdo to psal - byl to NS ?
          > Mile kolegyne a kolegove,
          >mam dojem, ze nize uvedene texty nepsal rodily mluvci. Mam dojem, ze
          >takto by se nevyjadril. Citim tam trochu Czenglish. Neptejte se me
          >na duvody, proc to chci vedet, ale muzete to prosim posoudit?
          >
          >Diky Jarda Suchanek
          >
          >+++++++++++++++++
          >Good evening Gentlemen
          >
          >I have been reading this forum for some time, using 'Google
          >Translate', which is difficult, and sometimes amusing. I have found
          >the forum very useful, and the only comprehensive information I have
          >found regarding the Tile Stoves. Unfortunately I only speak English.
          >Perhaps someone can read this, and answer a question for me.
          >I intend to use tiles for the outer skin of my stove. Firebrick core,
          >air gap, then tiles. The construction photos on the site show the
          >tiles being filled with square plates and mortar. Also between the
          >tiles, behind the wires. But these stoves seem to be single skinned,
          >without an air gap.
          >Is this same method used when constructing a traditional double
          >skinned stove, with air gap? I ask because a German friend assures me
          >that the tiles are left hollow, without filling, in a double skinned
          >stove.
          >I hope some kind person can assist a Tasmanian stove builder.
          >Thank you in anticipation,
          >Mick Peart
          >
          >+++++++++++++++++ I thank you, Mister Supec, and Mister Igony, for
          >your advice. The stoves are hardly known here in Australia. I have
          >found 3 stoves only, all with metal inserts, built by German
          >immigrants. But no heavy accumulation masonry stoves. I admired many
          >Tile Stoves in CZ and Slovakia while I was travelling there last year,
          >and decided they were ideal for the cold mountain regions of Tasmania.
          >I now await my tiles, fire-clay slices, and door, which I have to
          >import. Cheers, Mick
          >***************************
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >__________ Informace od ESET Smart Security, verze databaze 6182
          >(20110605) __________
          >
          >Tuto zpravu proveril ESET Smart Security.
          >
          >http://www.eset.cz/

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        • czechlist@czechlist.org
          Normal Aussie English, just a few articles omitted, as native speakers often do. (e.g. Is this THE same method...) Don’t expect every NS to be a perfect
          Message 4 of 8 , Jun 6, 2011
            Normal Aussie English, just a few articles omitted, as native speakers often
            do. (e.g. Is this THE same method...)

            Don’t expect every NS to be a perfect linguist. ;)

            Romana



            From: czechlist-bounces@...
            [mailto:czechlist-bounces@...] On Behalf Of Jaroslav Suchánek
            Sent: Monday, 6 June 2011 4:40 PM
            To: czechlist@...
            Subject: [Czechlist] Kdo to psal - byl to NS ?





            Mile kolegyne a kolegove,
            mam dojem, ze nize uvedene texty nepsal rodily mluvci. Mam dojem, ze
            takto by se nevyjadril. Citim tam trochu Czenglish. Neptejte se me
            na duvody, proc to chci vedet, ale muzete to prosim posoudit?

            Diky Jarda Suchanek

            +++++++++++++++++
            Good evening Gentlemen

            I have been reading this forum for some time, using 'Google Translate',
            which is difficult, and sometimes amusing. I have found the forum very
            useful, and the only comprehensive information I have found regarding the
            Tile Stoves. Unfortunately I only speak English. Perhaps someone can read
            this, and answer a question for me.
            I intend to use tiles for the outer skin of my stove. Firebrick core, air
            gap, then tiles. The construction photos on the site show the tiles being
            filled with square plates and mortar. Also between the tiles, behind the
            wires. But these stoves seem to be single skinned, without an air gap.
            Is this same method used when constructing a traditional double skinned
            stove, with air gap? I ask because a German friend assures me that the tiles
            are left hollow, without filling, in a double skinned stove.
            I hope some kind person can assist a Tasmanian stove builder.
            Thank you in anticipation,
            Mick Peart

            +++++++++++++++++ I thank you, Mister Supec, and Mister Igony, for
            your advice. The stoves are hardly known here in Australia. I have
            found 3 stoves only, all with metal inserts, built by German
            immigrants. But no heavy accumulation masonry stoves. I admired many
            Tile Stoves in CZ and Slovakia while I was travelling there last year,
            and decided they were ideal for the cold mountain regions of Tasmania.
            I now await my tiles, fire-clay slices, and door, which I have to
            import. Cheers, Mick
            ***************************




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          • Milos Prudek
            ... Nevidím tam žádné stopy Czenglish. Jediný důvod proč to není rodilý mluvčí: nejsou tam žádné chyby :-) žádné your = you re a
            Message 5 of 8 , Jun 6, 2011
              On Monday 06 of June 2011 09:10:15 you wrote:
              > mam dojem, ze nize uvedene texty nepsal rodily mluvci

              Nevidím tam žádné stopy Czenglish.

              Jediný důvod proč to není rodilý mluvčí: nejsou tam žádné chyby :-) žádné
              "your"="you're" a "there"="their" a podobně.

              --
              Milos Prudek
            • Stephan von Pohl
              ... not usually found online or elsewhere. No reason to think it s not a native speaker.
              Message 6 of 8 , Jun 6, 2011
                > Jediný důvod proč to není rodilý mluvčí: nejsou tam žádné chyby :-) žádné
                > "your"="you're" a "there"="their" a podobně.

                :-) I found the text written in an unusually eloquent manner, something
                not usually found online or elsewhere. No reason to think it's not a
                native speaker.
              • Valerie Talacko
                There s no reason to suspect it isn t written by a native speaker - I don t see any signs of Czenglish. People will sometimes over-capitalise (Tile Stoves) in
                Message 7 of 8 , Jun 6, 2011
                  There's no reason to suspect it isn't written by a native speaker - I
                  don't see any signs of Czenglish.

                  People will sometimes over-capitalise (Tile Stoves) in these situations
                  when talking about specialist items/items they consider important (see
                  also his use of "the" before "Tile Stoves", which makes them sound a bit
                  like a species). The formal spelling out of Mister (together with "I
                  thank you") is just an idiosyncrasy.

                  "Is this same method used when..." is fine in terms of grammar - it only
                  needs "the" before "same" if we understand "that is" before "used,"
                  which we don't have to.

                  Valerie

                  On Mon, 2011-06-06 at 09:10 +0200, Jaroslav Suchánek wrote:
                  >
                  > Mile kolegyne a kolegove,
                  > mam dojem, ze nize uvedene texty nepsal rodily mluvci. Mam dojem, ze
                  > takto by se nevyjadril. Citim tam trochu Czenglish. Neptejte se me
                  > na duvody, proc to chci vedet, ale muzete to prosim posoudit?
                  >
                  > Diky Jarda Suchanek
                  >
                  > +++++++++++++++++
                  > Good evening Gentlemen
                  >
                  > I have been reading this forum for some time, using 'Google
                  > Translate', which is difficult, and sometimes amusing. I have found
                  > the forum very useful, and the only comprehensive information I have
                  > found regarding the Tile Stoves. Unfortunately I only speak English.
                  > Perhaps someone can read this, and answer a question for me.
                  > I intend to use tiles for the outer skin of my stove. Firebrick core,
                  > air gap, then tiles. The construction photos on the site show the
                  > tiles being filled with square plates and mortar. Also between the
                  > tiles, behind the wires. But these stoves seem to be single skinned,
                  > without an air gap.
                  > Is this same method used when constructing a traditional double
                  > skinned stove, with air gap? I ask because a German friend assures me
                  > that the tiles are left hollow, without filling, in a double skinned
                  > stove.
                  > I hope some kind person can assist a Tasmanian stove builder.
                  > Thank you in anticipation,
                  > Mick Peart
                  >
                  > +++++++++++++++++ I thank you, Mister Supec, and Mister Igony, for
                  > your advice. The stoves are hardly known here in Australia. I have
                  > found 3 stoves only, all with metal inserts, built by German
                  > immigrants. But no heavy accumulation masonry stoves. I admired many
                  > Tile Stoves in CZ and Slovakia while I was travelling there last year,
                  > and decided they were ideal for the cold mountain regions of Tasmania.
                  > I now await my tiles, fire-clay slices, and door, which I have to
                  > import. Cheers, Mick
                  > ***************************
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                  >
                • Jaroslav Suchánek
                  Diky vsem za nazory, jedna se o prispevky z diskusni skupiny svepomocnych stavitelu kachl. kamen (dosud pouze pouze CZ a SK uzivatele). Meli
                  Message 8 of 8 , Jun 6, 2011
                    Diky vsem za nazory, jedna se o prispevky z diskusni skupiny
                    svepomocnych stavitelu kachl. kamen (dosud pouze pouze CZ a SK
                    uzivatele). Meli jsme tam nedavno jednoho provokatera, ktery
                    neustale menil svou identitu a sve prispevky podepisoval jmeny jinych
                    uzivatelu. Chtel jsem se ujistit, jestli to zase neni tento pripad.
                    Vedla me k tomu ta osloveni Gentlemen, Mister, I thank you....

                    Jarda



                    Czechlist@yahoogroups.com> ________________________________________________________________________
                    Czechlist@yahoogroups.com> 3d. Re: Kdo to psal - byl to NS ?
                    Czechlist@yahoogroups.com> Posted by: "czechlist@..."
                    Czechlist@yahoogroups.com> czechlist@... tomas.cejka
                    Czechlist@yahoogroups.com> Date: Mon Jun 6, 2011 12:47 am ((PDT))

                    Czechlist@yahoogroups.com> Normal Aussie English, just a few articles
                    Czechlist@yahoogroups.com> omitted, as native speakers often
                    Czechlist@yahoogroups.com> do. (e.g. Is this THE same method...)

                    Czechlist@yahoogroups.com> Don’t expect every NS to be a perfect linguist. ;)

                    Czechlist@yahoogroups.com> Romana
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