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  • Charlie Stanford
    Thanks Matej and Jarda. There is more I am afraid... It goes on to talk about a reaction vial in the English Place the reaction vial in a suitable lead vial
    Message 1 of 25 , Oct 1, 2009
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      Thanks Matej and Jarda. There is more I am afraid... It goes on to talk
      about a reaction vial in the English
      Place the reaction vial in a suitable lead vial shield (minimum wall
      thickness 1/8 inch) which has a fitted lead cap.

      and this has been translated as a

      Lahvičku s kitem umístěte do vhodného olověného stínění (minimální tloušťka
      stěny 118 palce) s přiléhavým olověným uzávěrem.

      I am not sure about Lahvičku s kitem - I cannot find any reference to one on
      the Internet and think it might be a bit of a mistranslation too.... Do you
      go along with that?

      Thanks for any help.
      Charlie

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Matej Klimes" <mklimes@...>
      To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:10 PM
      Subject: Re: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities


      > ... and the Czech is full of typos and old-fashioned and/or literal
      > terminology - amateur/lazy translation
      >
      > M
      >
      >
      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: "Charlie Stanford" <charliestanfordtranslations@...>
      > To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:00 PM
      > Subject: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities
      >
      >
      > Hi there,
      > I am just hoping to check whether something has been translated correctly
      > into Czech - it does not seem right to me.... The English reads as
      > follows:
      >
      > If a hypersensitivity reaction occurs the administration of the medicinal
      > product must be interrupted immediately and - if necessary - an
      > intravenous
      > treatment initiated. As in case of emergency immediate action is required,
      > ***advanced life support facilities*** including the respective medicinal
      > products necessary for treatment should be readily available.
      >
      > V případě výskytu hypersensitivní reakce je nutné okamžitě přerušit
      > podávání
      > léčivého přípravku a v případě potřeby zahájit intravenózní léčbu.
      > Vzhledem
      > k tomu, že v naléhavých případech je neobytný okamžitý zásah, mělo by být
      > k
      > dispozici ***vybavení pro první pomoc***, včetně příslušných nezbytných
      > léčiv.
      >
      > Can someone give me a suitable Czech term for "advanced life support
      > facilities" please...
      > TIA
      > Charlie
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    • Matej Klimes
      should be reakc^ni lahvicka, but perhaps there is a reaction kit in it so the translation is OK, hard to say without context.. are you editing the Czech
      Message 2 of 25 , Oct 1, 2009
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        should be reakc^ni lahvicka, but perhaps there is a "reaction kit" in it so
        the translation is OK, hard to say without context.. are you editing the
        Czech version or what?

        M


        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "Charlie Stanford" <charliestanfordtranslations@...>
        To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:48 PM
        Subject: Re: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities


        Thanks Matej and Jarda. There is more I am afraid... It goes on to talk
        about a reaction vial in the English
        Place the reaction vial in a suitable lead vial shield (minimum wall
        thickness 1/8 inch) which has a fitted lead cap.

        and this has been translated as a

        Lahvičku s kitem umístěte do vhodného olověného stínění (minimální tloušťka
        stěny 118 palce) s přiléhavým olověným uzávěrem.

        I am not sure about Lahvičku s kitem - I cannot find any reference to one on
        the Internet and think it might be a bit of a mistranslation too.... Do you
        go along with that?

        Thanks for any help.
        Charlie

        ----- Original Message -----
        From: "Matej Klimes" <mklimes@...>
        To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
        Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:10 PM
        Subject: Re: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities


        > ... and the Czech is full of typos and old-fashioned and/or literal
        > terminology - amateur/lazy translation
        >
        > M
        >
        >
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: "Charlie Stanford" <charliestanfordtranslations@...>
        > To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
        > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:00 PM
        > Subject: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities
        >
        >
        > Hi there,
        > I am just hoping to check whether something has been translated correctly
        > into Czech - it does not seem right to me.... The English reads as
        > follows:
        >
        > If a hypersensitivity reaction occurs the administration of the medicinal
        > product must be interrupted immediately and - if necessary - an
        > intravenous
        > treatment initiated. As in case of emergency immediate action is required,
        > ***advanced life support facilities*** including the respective medicinal
        > products necessary for treatment should be readily available.
        >
        > V případě výskytu hypersensitivní reakce je nutné okamžitě přerušit
        > podávání
        > léčivého přípravku a v případě potřeby zahájit intravenózní léčbu.
        > Vzhledem
        > k tomu, že v naléhavých případech je neobytný okamžitý zásah, mělo by být
        > k
        > dispozici ***vybavení pro první pomoc***, včetně příslušných nezbytných
        > léčiv.
        >
        > Can someone give me a suitable Czech term for "advanced life support
        > facilities" please...
        > TIA
        > Charlie
        >
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      • Matej Klimes
        translating 1/8 inch as 118 palce is also highly suspect, not to mention the fact that in a Czech document, there should be a metric reference provided.... if
        Message 3 of 25 , Oct 1, 2009
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          translating 1/8 inch as 118 palce is also highly suspect, not to mention the
          fact that in a Czech document, there should be a metric reference
          provided.... if you're just checking whether the translation is OK you can
          probably stop right here, it's not, we've already seen two highly suspect
          examples..

          M


          ----- Original Message -----
          From: "Charlie Stanford" <charliestanfordtranslations@...>
          To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:48 PM
          Subject: Re: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities


          Thanks Matej and Jarda. There is more I am afraid... It goes on to talk
          about a reaction vial in the English
          Place the reaction vial in a suitable lead vial shield (minimum wall
          thickness 1/8 inch) which has a fitted lead cap.

          and this has been translated as a

          Lahvičku s kitem umístěte do vhodného olověného stínění (minimální tloušťka
          stěny 118 palce) s přiléhavým olověným uzávěrem.

          I am not sure about Lahvičku s kitem - I cannot find any reference to one on
          the Internet and think it might be a bit of a mistranslation too.... Do you
          go along with that?

          Thanks for any help.
          Charlie

          ----- Original Message -----
          From: "Matej Klimes" <mklimes@...>
          To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:10 PM
          Subject: Re: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities


          > ... and the Czech is full of typos and old-fashioned and/or literal
          > terminology - amateur/lazy translation
          >
          > M
          >
          >
          > ----- Original Message -----
          > From: "Charlie Stanford" <charliestanfordtranslations@...>
          > To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
          > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:00 PM
          > Subject: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities
          >
          >
          > Hi there,
          > I am just hoping to check whether something has been translated correctly
          > into Czech - it does not seem right to me.... The English reads as
          > follows:
          >
          > If a hypersensitivity reaction occurs the administration of the medicinal
          > product must be interrupted immediately and - if necessary - an
          > intravenous
          > treatment initiated. As in case of emergency immediate action is required,
          > ***advanced life support facilities*** including the respective medicinal
          > products necessary for treatment should be readily available.
          >
          > V případě výskytu hypersensitivní reakce je nutné okamžitě přerušit
          > podávání
          > léčivého přípravku a v případě potřeby zahájit intravenózní léčbu.
          > Vzhledem
          > k tomu, že v naléhavých případech je neobytný okamžitý zásah, mělo by být
          > k
          > dispozici ***vybavení pro první pomoc***, včetně příslušných nezbytných
          > léčiv.
          >
          > Can someone give me a suitable Czech term for "advanced life support
          > facilities" please...
          > TIA
          > Charlie
          >
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        • Martin Janda
          Sorry guys, I beg to disagree. The translated text fits to the old-fashioned medical style which is widely used, and even though I would personally use a
          Message 4 of 25 , Oct 1, 2009
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            Sorry guys, I beg to disagree. The translated text fits to the
            old-fashioned medical style which is widely used, and even though I
            would personally use a different wording, it's definitely not that bad
            or amateurish. So far, I was able to find just one typo, not many.

            As the life supporting stuff - I don't think there is any standard
            translation established. The guy had to be a bit creative here but true,
            'prvni pomoc' is a bit understatement. I would go with something like
            'komplexní vybavení k zajisteni podpory zivotnich funkci'. (I don't
            think 'advanced' means 'moderni' here - rather a lot of machinery,
            monitors, etc. instead of a single defibrillator.

            Now to lahvicka s kitem: It does not sound right, I would remove !s
            kitem' and make it 's reakcni smesi', or just !lahvicka' - but chances
            are that the guy has seen the real device, knows how it works and now he
            conveys the real message instead of clumsily translating word by word as
            we translators often do....

            HTH
            Martin




            Charlie Stanford napsal(a):
            > Thanks Matej and Jarda. There is more I am afraid... It goes on to talk
            > about a reaction vial in the English
            > Place the reaction vial in a suitable lead vial shield (minimum wall
            > thickness 1/8 inch) which has a fitted lead cap.
            >
            > and this has been translated as a
            >
            > Lahvičku s kitem umístěte do vhodného olověného stínění (minimální tloušťka
            > stěny 118 palce) s přiléhavým olověným uzávěrem.
            >
            > I am not sure about Lahvičku s kitem - I cannot find any reference to one on
            > the Internet and think it might be a bit of a mistranslation too.... Do you
            > go along with that?
            >
            > Thanks for any help.
            > Charlie
            >
            > ----- Original Message -----
            > From: "Matej Klimes" <mklimes@...>
            > To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
            > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:10 PM
            > Subject: Re: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities
            >
            >
            >> ... and the Czech is full of typos and old-fashioned and/or literal
            >> terminology - amateur/lazy translation
            >>
            >> M
            >>
            >>
            >> ----- Original Message -----
            >> From: "Charlie Stanford" <charliestanfordtranslations@...>
            >> To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
            >> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:00 PM
            >> Subject: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities
            >>
            >>
            >> Hi there,
            >> I am just hoping to check whether something has been translated correctly
            >> into Czech - it does not seem right to me.... The English reads as
            >> follows:
            >>
            >> If a hypersensitivity reaction occurs the administration of the medicinal
            >> product must be interrupted immediately and - if necessary - an
            >> intravenous
            >> treatment initiated. As in case of emergency immediate action is required,
            >> ***advanced life support facilities*** including the respective medicinal
            >> products necessary for treatment should be readily available.
            >>
            >> V případě výskytu hypersensitivní reakce je nutné okamžitě přerušit
            >> podávání
            >> léčivého přípravku a v případě potřeby zahájit intravenózní léčbu.
            >> Vzhledem
            >> k tomu, že v naléhavých případech je neobytný okamžitý zásah, mělo by být
            >> k
            >> dispozici ***vybavení pro první pomoc***, včetně příslušných nezbytných
            >> léčiv.
            >>
            >> Can someone give me a suitable Czech term for "advanced life support
            >> facilities" please...
            >> TIA
            >> Charlie
            >>
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          • Martin Janda
            You would be surprised how many idiots blindly copy imperial units into Czech texts.... admittedly, some clients require that. the other M
            Message 5 of 25 , Oct 1, 2009
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              You would be surprised how many idiots blindly copy imperial units into
              Czech texts.... admittedly, some clients require that.

              the other M



              Matej Klimes napsal(a):
              > translating 1/8 inch as 118 palce is also highly suspect, not to mention the
              > fact that in a Czech document, there should be a metric reference
              > provided.... if you're just checking whether the translation is OK you can
              > probably stop right here, it's not, we've already seen two highly suspect
              > examples..
              >
              > M
              >
              >
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: "Charlie Stanford" <charliestanfordtranslations@...>
              > To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
              > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:48 PM
              > Subject: Re: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities
              >
              >
              > Thanks Matej and Jarda. There is more I am afraid... It goes on to talk
              > about a reaction vial in the English
              > Place the reaction vial in a suitable lead vial shield (minimum wall
              > thickness 1/8 inch) which has a fitted lead cap.
              >
              > and this has been translated as a
              >
              > Lahvičku s kitem umístěte do vhodného olověného stínění (minimální tloušťka
              > stěny 118 palce) s přiléhavým olověným uzávěrem.
              >
              > I am not sure about Lahvičku s kitem - I cannot find any reference to one on
              > the Internet and think it might be a bit of a mistranslation too.... Do you
              > go along with that?
              >
              > Thanks for any help.
              > Charlie
              >
              > ----- Original Message -----
              > From: "Matej Klimes" <mklimes@...>
              > To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
              > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:10 PM
              > Subject: Re: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities
              >
              >
              >> ... and the Czech is full of typos and old-fashioned and/or literal
              >> terminology - amateur/lazy translation
              >>
              >> M
              >>
              >>
              >> ----- Original Message -----
              >> From: "Charlie Stanford" <charliestanfordtranslations@...>
              >> To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
              >> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:00 PM
              >> Subject: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities
              >>
              >>
              >> Hi there,
              >> I am just hoping to check whether something has been translated correctly
              >> into Czech - it does not seem right to me.... The English reads as
              >> follows:
              >>
              >> If a hypersensitivity reaction occurs the administration of the medicinal
              >> product must be interrupted immediately and - if necessary - an
              >> intravenous
              >> treatment initiated. As in case of emergency immediate action is required,
              >> ***advanced life support facilities*** including the respective medicinal
              >> products necessary for treatment should be readily available.
              >>
              >> V případě výskytu hypersensitivní reakce je nutné okamžitě přerušit
              >> podávání
              >> léčivého přípravku a v případě potřeby zahájit intravenózní léčbu.
              >> Vzhledem
              >> k tomu, že v naléhavých případech je neobytný okamžitý zásah, mělo by být
              >> k
              >> dispozici ***vybavení pro první pomoc***, včetně příslušných nezbytných
              >> léčiv.
              >>
              >> Can someone give me a suitable Czech term for "advanced life support
              >> facilities" please...
              >> TIA
              >> Charlie
              >>
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            • Matej Klimes
              Not sure about medical shorthand, but there surely is more than one typo/problem here: */V případě*/ výskytu hypersen*s*itivní reakce je nutné okamžitě
              Message 6 of 25 , Oct 1, 2009
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                Not sure about medical shorthand, but there surely is more than one
                typo/problem here:

                */V případě*/ výskytu hypersen*s*itivní reakce je nutné okamžitě přerušit
                podávání léčivého přípravku a */v případě*/ potřeby zahájit intravenózní
                léčbu. Vzhledem k tomu, že v naléhavých */případech*/ je ****neobytný****
                (even if the typo is corrected, the word neodbytny is not correct here)
                okamžitý zásah, mělo by být k dispozici ***vybavení pro první pomoc***,
                včetně příslušných nezbytných léčiv.


                Lahvičku s kitem umístěte do vhodného olověného stínění (minimální tloušťka
                stěny *****118***** palc*e*) s přiléhavým olověným uzávěrem.


                I agree about the kit bit though - thye meaning is so far removed that it
                couldn't be mistranslation, it's either called that in Czech, or it's
                simpler and more logical to say it this way than directly translate - but
                we're only guessing..

                Ok it's not that bad, maybe lazy rather than amateurish, but both these
                things "get me going" quickly as they are totally unnecessary

                M



                ----- Original Message -----
                From: "Martin Janda" <mjanda@...>
                To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
                Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 1:04 PM
                Subject: Re: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities


                Sorry guys, I beg to disagree. The translated text fits to the
                old-fashioned medical style which is widely used, and even though I
                would personally use a different wording, it's definitely not that bad
                or amateurish. So far, I was able to find just one typo, not many.

                As the life supporting stuff - I don't think there is any standard
                translation established. The guy had to be a bit creative here but true,
                'prvni pomoc' is a bit understatement. I would go with something like
                'komplexní vybavení k zajisteni podpory zivotnich funkci'. (I don't
                think 'advanced' means 'moderni' here - rather a lot of machinery,
                monitors, etc. instead of a single defibrillator.

                Now to lahvicka s kitem: It does not sound right, I would remove !s
                kitem' and make it 's reakcni smesi', or just !lahvicka' - but chances
                are that the guy has seen the real device, knows how it works and now he
                conveys the real message instead of clumsily translating word by word as
                we translators often do....

                HTH
                Martin




                Charlie Stanford napsal(a):
                > Thanks Matej and Jarda. There is more I am afraid... It goes on to talk
                > about a reaction vial in the English
                > Place the reaction vial in a suitable lead vial shield (minimum wall
                > thickness 1/8 inch) which has a fitted lead cap.
                >
                > and this has been translated as a
                >
                > Lahvičku s kitem umístěte do vhodného olověného stínění (minimální
                > tloušťka
                > stěny 118 palce) s přiléhavým olověným uzávěrem.
                >
                > I am not sure about Lahvičku s kitem - I cannot find any reference to one
                > on
                > the Internet and think it might be a bit of a mistranslation too.... Do
                > you
                > go along with that?
                >
                > Thanks for any help.
                > Charlie
                >
                > ----- Original Message -----
                > From: "Matej Klimes" <mklimes@...>
                > To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
                > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:10 PM
                > Subject: Re: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities
                >
                >
                >> ... and the Czech is full of typos and old-fashioned and/or literal
                >> terminology - amateur/lazy translation
                >>
                >> M
                >>
                >>
                >> ----- Original Message -----
                >> From: "Charlie Stanford" <charliestanfordtranslations@...>
                >> To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
                >> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:00 PM
                >> Subject: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities
                >>
                >>
                >> Hi there,
                >> I am just hoping to check whether something has been translated correctly
                >> into Czech - it does not seem right to me.... The English reads as
                >> follows:
                >>
                >> If a hypersensitivity reaction occurs the administration of the medicinal
                >> product must be interrupted immediately and - if necessary - an
                >> intravenous
                >> treatment initiated. As in case of emergency immediate action is
                >> required,
                >> ***advanced life support facilities*** including the respective medicinal
                >> products necessary for treatment should be readily available.
                >>
                >> V případě výskytu hypersensitivní reakce je nutné okamžitě přerušit
                >> podávání
                >> léčivého přípravku a v případě potřeby zahájit intravenózní léčbu.
                >> Vzhledem
                >> k tomu, že v naléhavých případech je neobytný okamžitý zásah, mělo by být
                >> k
                >> dispozici ***vybavení pro první pomoc***, včetně příslušných nezbytných
                >> léčiv.
                >>
                >> Can someone give me a suitable Czech term for "advanced life support
                >> facilities" please...
                >> TIA
                >> Charlie
                >>
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              • Charlie Stanford
                Sorry the 118 palce should have read 1/8 palce (I OCRed the text and haven t corrected it all). I think you are right Matej that it is a bit weird to talk
                Message 7 of 25 , Oct 1, 2009
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                  Sorry the 118 palce should have read 1/8 palce (I OCRed the text and haven't
                  corrected it all). I think you are right Matej that it is a bit weird to
                  talk about palce in an SPC.... Does the Lahvička s kitem mean a "vial
                  supplied with the kit"? I just don't understand exactly what is meant by it?
                  I have found reakční nádobka elsewhere on the Internet for reaction vial -
                  don't know why he/she did not use that. I presume I am doing a
                  backtranslation though the agency have not confirmed that - so do not want
                  to polish it up too much and am using footnotes to point out things that
                  seem wrong.

                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: "Matej Klimes" <mklimes@...>
                  To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
                  Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:59 PM
                  Subject: Re: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities


                  > translating 1/8 inch as 118 palce is also highly suspect, not to mention
                  > the
                  > fact that in a Czech document, there should be a metric reference
                  > provided.... if you're just checking whether the translation is OK you can
                  > probably stop right here, it's not, we've already seen two highly suspect
                  > examples..
                  >
                  > M
                  >
                  >
                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  > From: "Charlie Stanford" <charliestanfordtranslations@...>
                  > To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
                  > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:48 PM
                  > Subject: Re: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities
                  >
                  >
                  > Thanks Matej and Jarda. There is more I am afraid... It goes on to talk
                  > about a reaction vial in the English
                  > Place the reaction vial in a suitable lead vial shield (minimum wall
                  > thickness 1/8 inch) which has a fitted lead cap.
                  >
                  > and this has been translated as a
                  >
                  > Lahvičku s kitem umístěte do vhodného olověného stínění (minimální
                  > tloušťka
                  > stěny 118 palce) s přiléhavým olověným uzávěrem.
                  >
                  > I am not sure about Lahvičku s kitem - I cannot find any reference to one
                  > on
                  > the Internet and think it might be a bit of a mistranslation too.... Do
                  > you
                  > go along with that?
                  >
                  > Thanks for any help.
                  > Charlie
                  >
                  > ----- Original Message -----
                  > From: "Matej Klimes" <mklimes@...>
                  > To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
                  > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:10 PM
                  > Subject: Re: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities
                  >
                  >
                  >> ... and the Czech is full of typos and old-fashioned and/or literal
                  >> terminology - amateur/lazy translation
                  >>
                  >> M
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> ----- Original Message -----
                  >> From: "Charlie Stanford" <charliestanfordtranslations@...>
                  >> To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
                  >> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:00 PM
                  >> Subject: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities
                  >>
                  >>
                  >> Hi there,
                  >> I am just hoping to check whether something has been translated correctly
                  >> into Czech - it does not seem right to me.... The English reads as
                  >> follows:
                  >>
                  >> If a hypersensitivity reaction occurs the administration of the medicinal
                  >> product must be interrupted immediately and - if necessary - an
                  >> intravenous
                  >> treatment initiated. As in case of emergency immediate action is
                  >> required,
                  >> ***advanced life support facilities*** including the respective medicinal
                  >> products necessary for treatment should be readily available.
                  >>
                  >> V případě výskytu hypersensitivní reakce je nutné okamžitě přerušit
                  >> podávání
                  >> léčivého přípravku a v případě potřeby zahájit intravenózní léčbu.
                  >> Vzhledem
                  >> k tomu, že v naléhavých případech je neobytný okamžitý zásah, mělo by být
                  >> k
                  >> dispozici ***vybavení pro první pomoc***, včetně příslušných nezbytných
                  >> léčiv.
                  >>
                  >> Can someone give me a suitable Czech term for "advanced life support
                  >> facilities" please...
                  >> TIA
                  >> Charlie
                  >>
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                • Martin Janda
                  Lahvicka s kitem probably means a vial with a kit (reaction) mixture. I would never use nadobka for vial. In most contexts, lahvicka is correct. M.
                  Message 8 of 25 , Oct 1, 2009
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                    Lahvicka s kitem probably means a vial with a kit (reaction) mixture.
                    I would never use nadobka for vial. In most contexts, lahvicka is correct.

                    M.



                    Charlie Stanford napsal(a):
                    > Sorry the 118 palce should have read 1/8 palce (I OCRed the text and haven't
                    > corrected it all). I think you are right Matej that it is a bit weird to
                    > talk about palce in an SPC.... Does the Lahvička s kitem mean a "vial
                    > supplied with the kit"? I just don't understand exactly what is meant by it?
                    > I have found reakční nádobka elsewhere on the Internet for reaction vial -
                    > don't know why he/she did not use that. I presume I am doing a
                    > backtranslation though the agency have not confirmed that - so do not want
                    > to polish it up too much and am using footnotes to point out things that
                    > seem wrong.
                    >
                    > ----- Original Message -----
                    > From: "Matej Klimes" <mklimes@...>
                    > To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
                    > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:59 PM
                    > Subject: Re: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities
                    >
                    >
                    >> translating 1/8 inch as 118 palce is also highly suspect, not to mention
                    >> the
                    >> fact that in a Czech document, there should be a metric reference
                    >> provided.... if you're just checking whether the translation is OK you can
                    >> probably stop right here, it's not, we've already seen two highly suspect
                    >> examples..
                    >>
                    >> M
                    >>
                    >>
                    >> ----- Original Message -----
                    >> From: "Charlie Stanford" <charliestanfordtranslations@...>
                    >> To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
                    >> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:48 PM
                    >> Subject: Re: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities
                    >>
                    >>
                    >> Thanks Matej and Jarda. There is more I am afraid... It goes on to talk
                    >> about a reaction vial in the English
                    >> Place the reaction vial in a suitable lead vial shield (minimum wall
                    >> thickness 1/8 inch) which has a fitted lead cap.
                    >>
                    >> and this has been translated as a
                    >>
                    >> Lahvičku s kitem umístěte do vhodného olověného stínění (minimální
                    >> tloušťka
                    >> stěny 118 palce) s přiléhavým olověným uzávěrem.
                    >>
                    >> I am not sure about Lahvičku s kitem - I cannot find any reference to one
                    >> on
                    >> the Internet and think it might be a bit of a mistranslation too.... Do
                    >> you
                    >> go along with that?
                    >>
                    >> Thanks for any help.
                    >> Charlie
                    >>
                    >> ----- Original Message -----
                    >> From: "Matej Klimes" <mklimes@...>
                    >> To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
                    >> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:10 PM
                    >> Subject: Re: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities
                    >>
                    >>
                    >>> ... and the Czech is full of typos and old-fashioned and/or literal
                    >>> terminology - amateur/lazy translation
                    >>>
                    >>> M
                    >>>
                    >>>
                    >>> ----- Original Message -----
                    >>> From: "Charlie Stanford" <charliestanfordtranslations@...>
                    >>> To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
                    >>> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:00 PM
                    >>> Subject: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities
                    >>>
                    >>>
                    >>> Hi there,
                    >>> I am just hoping to check whether something has been translated correctly
                    >>> into Czech - it does not seem right to me.... The English reads as
                    >>> follows:
                    >>>
                    >>> If a hypersensitivity reaction occurs the administration of the medicinal
                    >>> product must be interrupted immediately and - if necessary - an
                    >>> intravenous
                    >>> treatment initiated. As in case of emergency immediate action is
                    >>> required,
                    >>> ***advanced life support facilities*** including the respective medicinal
                    >>> products necessary for treatment should be readily available.
                    >>>
                    >>> V případě výskytu hypersensitivní reakce je nutné okamžitě přerušit
                    >>> podávání
                    >>> léčivého přípravku a v případě potřeby zahájit intravenózní léčbu.
                    >>> Vzhledem
                    >>> k tomu, že v naléhavých případech je neobytný okamžitý zásah, mělo by být
                    >>> k
                    >>> dispozici ***vybavení pro první pomoc***, včetně příslušných nezbytných
                    >>> léčiv.
                    >>>
                    >>> Can someone give me a suitable Czech term for "advanced life support
                    >>> facilities" please...
                    >>> TIA
                    >>> Charlie
                    >>>
                    >>> --
                    >>> Jsem chráněn bezplatným SPAMfighter pro soukromé uživatele.
                    >>> Až doposud mě ušetřil příjmu 8264 spam-emailů.
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                  • Matej Klimes
                    no, that would be lahvicka Z kitU (from the kit..) it means vial with the kit (presumably inside or tacked onto it..) M ... From: Charlie Stanford
                    Message 9 of 25 , Oct 1, 2009
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                      no, that would be lahvicka Z kitU (from the kit..)

                      it means vial with the kit (presumably inside or tacked onto it..)

                      M


                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: "Charlie Stanford" <charliestanfordtranslations@...>
                      To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 1:21 PM
                      Subject: Re: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities


                      Sorry the 118 palce should have read 1/8 palce (I OCRed the text and haven't
                      corrected it all). I think you are right Matej that it is a bit weird to
                      talk about palce in an SPC.... Does the Lahvička s kitem mean a "vial
                      supplied with the kit"? I just don't understand exactly what is meant by it?
                      I have found reakční nádobka elsewhere on the Internet for reaction vial -
                      don't know why he/she did not use that. I presume I am doing a
                      backtranslation though the agency have not confirmed that - so do not want
                      to polish it up too much and am using footnotes to point out things that
                      seem wrong.

                      ----- Original Message -----
                      From: "Matej Klimes" <mklimes@...>
                      To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
                      Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:59 PM
                      Subject: Re: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities


                      > translating 1/8 inch as 118 palce is also highly suspect, not to mention
                      > the
                      > fact that in a Czech document, there should be a metric reference
                      > provided.... if you're just checking whether the translation is OK you can
                      > probably stop right here, it's not, we've already seen two highly suspect
                      > examples..
                      >
                      > M
                      >
                      >
                      > ----- Original Message -----
                      > From: "Charlie Stanford" <charliestanfordtranslations@...>
                      > To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
                      > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:48 PM
                      > Subject: Re: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities
                      >
                      >
                      > Thanks Matej and Jarda. There is more I am afraid... It goes on to talk
                      > about a reaction vial in the English
                      > Place the reaction vial in a suitable lead vial shield (minimum wall
                      > thickness 1/8 inch) which has a fitted lead cap.
                      >
                      > and this has been translated as a
                      >
                      > Lahvičku s kitem umístěte do vhodného olověného stínění (minimální
                      > tloušťka
                      > stěny 118 palce) s přiléhavým olověným uzávěrem.
                      >
                      > I am not sure about Lahvičku s kitem - I cannot find any reference to one
                      > on
                      > the Internet and think it might be a bit of a mistranslation too.... Do
                      > you
                      > go along with that?
                      >
                      > Thanks for any help.
                      > Charlie
                      >
                      > ----- Original Message -----
                      > From: "Matej Klimes" <mklimes@...>
                      > To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
                      > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:10 PM
                      > Subject: Re: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities
                      >
                      >
                      >> ... and the Czech is full of typos and old-fashioned and/or literal
                      >> terminology - amateur/lazy translation
                      >>
                      >> M
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> ----- Original Message -----
                      >> From: "Charlie Stanford" <charliestanfordtranslations@...>
                      >> To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
                      >> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:00 PM
                      >> Subject: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities
                      >>
                      >>
                      >> Hi there,
                      >> I am just hoping to check whether something has been translated correctly
                      >> into Czech - it does not seem right to me.... The English reads as
                      >> follows:
                      >>
                      >> If a hypersensitivity reaction occurs the administration of the medicinal
                      >> product must be interrupted immediately and - if necessary - an
                      >> intravenous
                      >> treatment initiated. As in case of emergency immediate action is
                      >> required,
                      >> ***advanced life support facilities*** including the respective medicinal
                      >> products necessary for treatment should be readily available.
                      >>
                      >> V případě výskytu hypersensitivní reakce je nutné okamžitě přerušit
                      >> podávání
                      >> léčivého přípravku a v případě potřeby zahájit intravenózní léčbu.
                      >> Vzhledem
                      >> k tomu, že v naléhavých případech je neobytný okamžitý zásah, mělo by být
                      >> k
                      >> dispozici ***vybavení pro první pomoc***, včetně příslušných nezbytných
                      >> léčiv.
                      >>
                      >> Can someone give me a suitable Czech term for "advanced life support
                      >> facilities" please...
                      >> TIA
                      >> Charlie
                      >>
                      >> --
                      >> Jsem chráněn bezplatným SPAMfighter pro soukromé uživatele.
                      >> Až doposud mě ušetřil příjmu 8264 spam-emailů.
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                    • Petr
                      Ja bych asi taky nechal 1/8 palce jak to je. Mimochodem napadlo by nekoho z vas prevadet ctvrpalcovou nebo pulpalcovou trubku na metricke jednotky? Petr A.
                      Message 10 of 25 , Oct 1, 2009
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                        Ja bych asi taky nechal 1/8 palce jak to je. Mimochodem napadlo by nekoho z vas prevadet ctvrpalcovou nebo pulpalcovou trubku na metricke jednotky?
                        Petr A.
                        --- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com, Martin Janda <mjanda@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > You would be surprised how many idiots blindly copy imperial units into
                        > Czech texts.... admittedly, some clients require that.
                        >
                        > the other M
                      • Jan Culka
                        By the way, my pharmaceutical customers always insisted on lahvicka, although ampulka is often used too. Honza ... From: Martin Janda
                        Message 11 of 25 , Oct 1, 2009
                        • 0 Attachment
                          By the way, my pharmaceutical customers always insisted on lahvicka,
                          although ampulka is often used too.
                          Honza


                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: "Martin Janda" <mjanda@...>
                          To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 1:28 PM
                          Subject: Re: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities


                          > Lahvicka s kitem probably means a vial with a kit (reaction) mixture.
                          > I would never use nadobka for vial. In most contexts, lahvicka is correct.
                          >
                          > M.
                          >
                          >
                          >
                          > Charlie Stanford napsal(a):
                          >> Sorry the 118 palce should have read 1/8 palce (I OCRed the text and
                          >> haven't
                          >> corrected it all). I think you are right Matej that it is a bit weird to
                          >> talk about palce in an SPC.... Does the Lahvička s kitem mean a "vial
                          >> supplied with the kit"? I just don't understand exactly what is meant by
                          >> it?
                          >> I have found reakční nádobka elsewhere on the Internet for reaction
                          >> vial -
                          >> don't know why he/she did not use that. I presume I am doing a
                          >> backtranslation though the agency have not confirmed that - so do not
                          >> want
                          >> to polish it up too much and am using footnotes to point out things that
                          >> seem wrong.
                          >>
                          >> ----- Original Message -----
                          >> From: "Matej Klimes" <mklimes@...>
                          >> To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
                          >> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:59 PM
                          >> Subject: Re: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities
                          >>
                          >>
                          >>> translating 1/8 inch as 118 palce is also highly suspect, not to mention
                          >>> the
                          >>> fact that in a Czech document, there should be a metric reference
                          >>> provided.... if you're just checking whether the translation is OK you
                          >>> can
                          >>> probably stop right here, it's not, we've already seen two highly
                          >>> suspect
                          >>> examples..
                          >>>
                          >>> M
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>> ----- Original Message -----
                          >>> From: "Charlie Stanford" <charliestanfordtranslations@...>
                          >>> To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
                          >>> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:48 PM
                          >>> Subject: Re: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>> Thanks Matej and Jarda. There is more I am afraid... It goes on to talk
                          >>> about a reaction vial in the English
                          >>> Place the reaction vial in a suitable lead vial shield (minimum wall
                          >>> thickness 1/8 inch) which has a fitted lead cap.
                          >>>
                          >>> and this has been translated as a
                          >>>
                          >>> Lahvičku s kitem umístěte do vhodného olověného stínění (minimální
                          >>> tloušťka
                          >>> stěny 118 palce) s přiléhavým olověným uzávěrem.
                          >>>
                          >>> I am not sure about Lahvičku s kitem - I cannot find any reference to
                          >>> one
                          >>> on
                          >>> the Internet and think it might be a bit of a mistranslation too.... Do
                          >>> you
                          >>> go along with that?
                          >>>
                          >>> Thanks for any help.
                          >>> Charlie
                          >>>
                          >>> ----- Original Message -----
                          >>> From: "Matej Klimes" <mklimes@...>
                          >>> To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
                          >>> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:10 PM
                          >>> Subject: Re: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>>> ... and the Czech is full of typos and old-fashioned and/or literal
                          >>>> terminology - amateur/lazy translation
                          >>>>
                          >>>> M
                          >>>>
                          >>>>
                          >>>> ----- Original Message -----
                          >>>> From: "Charlie Stanford" <charliestanfordtranslations@...>
                          >>>> To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
                          >>>> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:00 PM
                          >>>> Subject: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities
                          >>>>
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Hi there,
                          >>>> I am just hoping to check whether something has been translated
                          >>>> correctly
                          >>>> into Czech - it does not seem right to me.... The English reads as
                          >>>> follows:
                          >>>>
                          >>>> If a hypersensitivity reaction occurs the administration of the
                          >>>> medicinal
                          >>>> product must be interrupted immediately and - if necessary - an
                          >>>> intravenous
                          >>>> treatment initiated. As in case of emergency immediate action is
                          >>>> required,
                          >>>> ***advanced life support facilities*** including the respective
                          >>>> medicinal
                          >>>> products necessary for treatment should be readily available.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> V případě výskytu hypersensitivní reakce je nutné okamžitě přerušit
                          >>>> podávání
                          >>>> léčivého přípravku a v případě potřeby zahájit intravenózní léčbu.
                          >>>> Vzhledem
                          >>>> k tomu, že v naléhavých případech je neobytný okamžitý zásah, mělo by
                          >>>> být
                          >>>> k
                          >>>> dispozici ***vybavení pro první pomoc***, včetně příslušných nezbytných
                          >>>> léčiv.
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Can someone give me a suitable Czech term for "advanced life support
                          >>>> facilities" please...
                          >>>> TIA
                          >>>> Charlie
                          >>>>
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                          >>>>
                          >>>>
                          >>>> ------------------------------------
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Translators' tricks of the trade:
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                          >>>>
                          >>>>
                          >>>>
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
                          >>>>
                          >>>>
                          >>>>
                          >>>>
                          >>>>
                          >>>>
                          >>>> ------------------------------------
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Translators' tricks of the trade:
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                          >>>>
                          >>>>
                          >>>>
                          >>>>
                          >>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
                          >>>>
                          >>>>
                          >>>>
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>> ------------------------------------
                          >>>
                          >>> Translators' tricks of the trade:
                          >>> http://czeng.wetpaint.com/
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>> ------------------------------------
                          >>>
                          >>> Translators' tricks of the trade:
                          >>> http://czeng.wetpaint.com/
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>>
                          >>
                          >>
                          >>
                          >> ------------------------------------
                          >>
                          >> Translators' tricks of the trade:
                          >> http://czeng.wetpaint.com/
                          >>
                          >>
                          >>
                          >>
                          >> Yahoo! Groups Links
                          >>
                          >>
                          >>
                          >>
                          >>
                          >
                          >
                          > ------------------------------------
                          >
                          > Translators' tricks of the trade:
                          > http://czeng.wetpaint.com/
                          >
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                        • Martin Janda
                          Urcite bych nechal trubku a zavity, a podle situace nechavam jehly a katetry. Ale nemyslim si, ze by palce mely nejaky smysl u tloustky oloveneho stineni.
                          Message 12 of 25 , Oct 1, 2009
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                            Urcite bych nechal trubku a zavity, a podle situace nechavam jehly a
                            katetry. Ale nemyslim si, ze by palce mely nejaky smysl u tloustky
                            oloveneho stineni. Proto jsem taky rikal "blindly" - co z je presne to,
                            co spousta lidi dela.

                            M.

                            Petr napsal(a):
                            >
                            >
                            > Ja bych asi taky nechal 1/8 palce jak to je. Mimochodem napadlo by
                            > nekoho z vas prevadet ctvrpalcovou nebo pulpalcovou trubku na metricke
                            > jednotky?
                            > Petr A.
                            > --- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Czechlist%40yahoogroups.com>,
                            > Martin Janda <mjanda@...> wrote:
                            > >
                            > > You would be surprised how many idiots blindly copy imperial units into
                            > > Czech texts.... admittedly, some clients require that.
                            > >
                            > > the other M
                            >
                            >
                          • Charlie Stanford
                            Thanks to all of you for that input. No, I am not editing the Czech - I wouldn t dare! It is just that the Czech is clearly a translation from English (a UK
                            Message 13 of 25 , Oct 1, 2009
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                              Thanks to all of you for that input. No, I am not editing the Czech - I
                              wouldn't dare! It is just that the Czech is clearly a translation from
                              English (a UK product) and I have the English in front of me, so I assume
                              that they just want it as a backtranslation to check that the Czech is
                              accurate.

                              I was checking for the Czech term for reaction vial and there seemed to be
                              very little mention on the Internet of reakcni lahvicky - just 3 hits. Found
                              reakcni nadobky used to refer to reaction vials in
                              http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:32008R0273:CS:NOT
                              but perhaps trying to check the right term to use on the basis of an EU
                              translation is a bit daft.


                              ----- Original Message -----
                              From: "Martin Janda" <mjanda@...>
                              To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
                              Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 1:28 PM
                              Subject: Re: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities


                              > Lahvicka s kitem probably means a vial with a kit (reaction) mixture.
                              > I would never use nadobka for vial. In most contexts, lahvicka is correct.
                              >
                              > M.
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Charlie Stanford napsal(a):
                              >> Sorry the 118 palce should have read 1/8 palce (I OCRed the text and
                              >> haven't
                              >> corrected it all). I think you are right Matej that it is a bit weird to
                              >> talk about palce in an SPC.... Does the Lahvička s kitem mean a "vial
                              >> supplied with the kit"? I just don't understand exactly what is meant by
                              >> it?
                              >> I have found reakční nádobka elsewhere on the Internet for reaction
                              >> vial -
                              >> don't know why he/she did not use that. I presume I am doing a
                              >> backtranslation though the agency have not confirmed that - so do not
                              >> want
                              >> to polish it up too much and am using footnotes to point out things that
                              >> seem wrong.
                              >>
                              >> ----- Original Message -----
                              >> From: "Matej Klimes" <mklimes@...>
                              >> To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
                              >> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:59 PM
                              >> Subject: Re: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities
                              >>
                              >>
                              >>> translating 1/8 inch as 118 palce is also highly suspect, not to mention
                              >>> the
                              >>> fact that in a Czech document, there should be a metric reference
                              >>> provided.... if you're just checking whether the translation is OK you
                              >>> can
                              >>> probably stop right here, it's not, we've already seen two highly
                              >>> suspect
                              >>> examples..
                              >>>
                              >>> M
                              >>>
                              >>>
                              >>> ----- Original Message -----
                              >>> From: "Charlie Stanford" <charliestanfordtranslations@...>
                              >>> To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
                              >>> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:48 PM
                              >>> Subject: Re: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities
                              >>>
                              >>>
                              >>> Thanks Matej and Jarda. There is more I am afraid... It goes on to talk
                              >>> about a reaction vial in the English
                              >>> Place the reaction vial in a suitable lead vial shield (minimum wall
                              >>> thickness 1/8 inch) which has a fitted lead cap.
                              >>>
                              >>> and this has been translated as a
                              >>>
                              >>> Lahvičku s kitem umístěte do vhodného olověného stínění (minimální
                              >>> tloušťka
                              >>> stěny 118 palce) s přiléhavým olověným uzávěrem.
                              >>>
                              >>> I am not sure about Lahvičku s kitem - I cannot find any reference to
                              >>> one
                              >>> on
                              >>> the Internet and think it might be a bit of a mistranslation too.... Do
                              >>> you
                              >>> go along with that?
                              >>>
                              >>> Thanks for any help.
                              >>> Charlie
                              >>>
                              >>> ----- Original Message -----
                              >>> From: "Matej Klimes" <mklimes@...>
                              >>> To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
                              >>> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:10 PM
                              >>> Subject: Re: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities
                              >>>
                              >>>
                              >>>> ... and the Czech is full of typos and old-fashioned and/or literal
                              >>>> terminology - amateur/lazy translation
                              >>>>
                              >>>> M
                              >>>>
                              >>>>
                              >>>> ----- Original Message -----
                              >>>> From: "Charlie Stanford" <charliestanfordtranslations@...>
                              >>>> To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
                              >>>> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:00 PM
                              >>>> Subject: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities
                              >>>>
                              >>>>
                              >>>> Hi there,
                              >>>> I am just hoping to check whether something has been translated
                              >>>> correctly
                              >>>> into Czech - it does not seem right to me.... The English reads as
                              >>>> follows:
                              >>>>
                              >>>> If a hypersensitivity reaction occurs the administration of the
                              >>>> medicinal
                              >>>> product must be interrupted immediately and - if necessary - an
                              >>>> intravenous
                              >>>> treatment initiated. As in case of emergency immediate action is
                              >>>> required,
                              >>>> ***advanced life support facilities*** including the respective
                              >>>> medicinal
                              >>>> products necessary for treatment should be readily available.
                              >>>>
                              >>>> V případě výskytu hypersensitivní reakce je nutné okamžitě přerušit
                              >>>> podávání
                              >>>> léčivého přípravku a v případě potřeby zahájit intravenózní léčbu.
                              >>>> Vzhledem
                              >>>> k tomu, že v naléhavých případech je neobytný okamžitý zásah, mělo by
                              >>>> být
                              >>>> k
                              >>>> dispozici ***vybavení pro první pomoc***, včetně příslušných nezbytných
                              >>>> léčiv.
                              >>>>
                              >>>> Can someone give me a suitable Czech term for "advanced life support
                              >>>> facilities" please...
                              >>>> TIA
                              >>>> Charlie
                              >>>>
                              >>>> --
                              >>>> Jsem chráněn bezplatným SPAMfighter pro soukromé uživatele.
                              >>>> Až doposud mě ušetřil příjmu 8264 spam-emailů.
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                              >>>>
                              >>>>
                              >>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                              >>>>
                              >>>>
                              >>>>
                              >>>> ------------------------------------
                              >>>>
                              >>>> Translators' tricks of the trade:
                              >>>> http://czeng.wetpaint.com/
                              >>>>
                              >>>>
                              >>>>
                              >>>>
                              >>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
                              >>>>
                              >>>>
                              >>>>
                              >>>>
                              >>>>
                              >>>>
                              >>>> ------------------------------------
                              >>>>
                              >>>> Translators' tricks of the trade:
                              >>>> http://czeng.wetpaint.com/
                              >>>>
                              >>>>
                              >>>>
                              >>>>
                              >>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
                              >>>>
                              >>>>
                              >>>>
                              >>>
                              >>>
                              >>> ------------------------------------
                              >>>
                              >>> Translators' tricks of the trade:
                              >>> http://czeng.wetpaint.com/
                              >>>
                              >>>
                              >>>
                              >>>
                              >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
                              >>>
                              >>>
                              >>>
                              >>>
                              >>>
                              >>>
                              >>> ------------------------------------
                              >>>
                              >>> Translators' tricks of the trade:
                              >>> http://czeng.wetpaint.com/
                              >>>
                              >>>
                              >>>
                              >>>
                              >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
                              >>>
                              >>>
                              >>>
                              >>
                              >>
                              >>
                              >> ------------------------------------
                              >>
                              >> Translators' tricks of the trade:
                              >> http://czeng.wetpaint.com/
                              >>
                              >>
                              >>
                              >>
                              >> Yahoo! Groups Links
                              >>
                              >>
                              >>
                              >>
                              >>
                              >
                              >
                              > ------------------------------------
                              >
                              > Translators' tricks of the trade:
                              > http://czeng.wetpaint.com/
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              >
                              > Yahoo! Groups Links
                              >
                              >
                              >
                            • Charlie Stanford
                              Oops - the neobytny is my fault... It actually says nezbytny - again I OCRed it and spell-checked but it did not pick up certain things. Sorry translator....
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                                Oops - the neobytny is my fault... It actually says nezbytny - again I OCRed
                                it and spell-checked but it did not pick up certain things. Sorry
                                translator....


                                ----- Original Message -----
                                From: "Matej Klimes" <mklimes@...>
                                To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 1:18 PM
                                Subject: Re: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities


                                > Not sure about medical shorthand, but there surely is more than one
                                > typo/problem here:
                                >
                                > */V případě*/ výskytu hypersen*s*itivní reakce je nutné okamžitě přerušit
                                > podávání léčivého přípravku a */v případě*/ potřeby zahájit intravenózní
                                > léčbu. Vzhledem k tomu, že v naléhavých */případech*/ je ****neobytný****
                                > (even if the typo is corrected, the word neodbytny is not correct here)
                                > okamžitý zásah, mělo by být k dispozici ***vybavení pro první pomoc***,
                                > včetně příslušných nezbytných léčiv.
                                >
                                >
                                > Lahvičku s kitem umístěte do vhodného olověného stínění (minimální
                                > tloušťka
                                > stěny *****118***** palc*e*) s přiléhavým olověným uzávěrem.
                                >
                                >
                                > I agree about the kit bit though - thye meaning is so far removed that it
                                > couldn't be mistranslation, it's either called that in Czech, or it's
                                > simpler and more logical to say it this way than directly translate - but
                                > we're only guessing..
                                >
                                > Ok it's not that bad, maybe lazy rather than amateurish, but both these
                                > things "get me going" quickly as they are totally unnecessary
                                >
                                > M
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > ----- Original Message -----
                                > From: "Martin Janda" <mjanda@...>
                                > To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 1:04 PM
                                > Subject: Re: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities
                                >
                                >
                                > Sorry guys, I beg to disagree. The translated text fits to the
                                > old-fashioned medical style which is widely used, and even though I
                                > would personally use a different wording, it's definitely not that bad
                                > or amateurish. So far, I was able to find just one typo, not many.
                                >
                                > As the life supporting stuff - I don't think there is any standard
                                > translation established. The guy had to be a bit creative here but true,
                                > 'prvni pomoc' is a bit understatement. I would go with something like
                                > 'komplexní vybavení k zajisteni podpory zivotnich funkci'. (I don't
                                > think 'advanced' means 'moderni' here - rather a lot of machinery,
                                > monitors, etc. instead of a single defibrillator.
                                >
                                > Now to lahvicka s kitem: It does not sound right, I would remove !s
                                > kitem' and make it 's reakcni smesi', or just !lahvicka' - but chances
                                > are that the guy has seen the real device, knows how it works and now he
                                > conveys the real message instead of clumsily translating word by word as
                                > we translators often do....
                                >
                                > HTH
                                > Martin
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > Charlie Stanford napsal(a):
                                >> Thanks Matej and Jarda. There is more I am afraid... It goes on to talk
                                >> about a reaction vial in the English
                                >> Place the reaction vial in a suitable lead vial shield (minimum wall
                                >> thickness 1/8 inch) which has a fitted lead cap.
                                >>
                                >> and this has been translated as a
                                >>
                                >> Lahvičku s kitem umístěte do vhodného olověného stínění (minimální
                                >> tloušťka
                                >> stěny 118 palce) s přiléhavým olověným uzávěrem.
                                >>
                                >> I am not sure about Lahvičku s kitem - I cannot find any reference to one
                                >> on
                                >> the Internet and think it might be a bit of a mistranslation too.... Do
                                >> you
                                >> go along with that?
                                >>
                                >> Thanks for any help.
                                >> Charlie
                                >>
                                >> ----- Original Message -----
                                >> From: "Matej Klimes" <mklimes@...>
                                >> To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                >> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:10 PM
                                >> Subject: Re: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities
                                >>
                                >>
                                >>> ... and the Czech is full of typos and old-fashioned and/or literal
                                >>> terminology - amateur/lazy translation
                                >>>
                                >>> M
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>> ----- Original Message -----
                                >>> From: "Charlie Stanford" <charliestanfordtranslations@...>
                                >>> To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                >>> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:00 PM
                                >>> Subject: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>> Hi there,
                                >>> I am just hoping to check whether something has been translated
                                >>> correctly
                                >>> into Czech - it does not seem right to me.... The English reads as
                                >>> follows:
                                >>>
                                >>> If a hypersensitivity reaction occurs the administration of the
                                >>> medicinal
                                >>> product must be interrupted immediately and - if necessary - an
                                >>> intravenous
                                >>> treatment initiated. As in case of emergency immediate action is
                                >>> required,
                                >>> ***advanced life support facilities*** including the respective
                                >>> medicinal
                                >>> products necessary for treatment should be readily available.
                                >>>
                                >>> V případě výskytu hypersensitivní reakce je nutné okamžitě přerušit
                                >>> podávání
                                >>> léčivého přípravku a v případě potřeby zahájit intravenózní léčbu.
                                >>> Vzhledem
                                >>> k tomu, že v naléhavých případech je neobytný okamžitý zásah, mělo by
                                >>> být
                                >>> k
                                >>> dispozici ***vybavení pro první pomoc***, včetně příslušných nezbytných
                                >>> léčiv.
                                >>>
                                >>> Can someone give me a suitable Czech term for "advanced life support
                                >>> facilities" please...
                                >>> TIA
                                >>> Charlie
                                >>>
                                >>> --
                                >>> Jsem chráněn bezplatným SPAMfighter pro soukromé uživatele.
                                >>> Až doposud mě ušetřil příjmu 8264 spam-emailů.
                                >>> Platící uživatelé tuto zprávu ve svých e-mailech nedostavají.
                                >>> Stáhněte si zadarmo SPAMfighter zde: www.spamfighter.com/lcs
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>> ------------------------------------
                                >>>
                                >>> Translators' tricks of the trade:
                                >>> http://czeng.wetpaint.com/
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>> ------------------------------------
                                >>>
                                >>> Translators' tricks of the trade:
                                >>> http://czeng.wetpaint.com/
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>>
                                >>
                                >>
                                >>
                                >> ------------------------------------
                                >>
                                >> Translators' tricks of the trade:
                                >> http://czeng.wetpaint.com/
                                >>
                                >>
                                >>
                                >>
                                >> Yahoo! Groups Links
                                >>
                                >>
                                >>
                                >>
                                >>
                                >
                                >
                                > ------------------------------------
                                >
                                > Translators' tricks of the trade:
                                > http://czeng.wetpaint.com/
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > ------------------------------------
                                >
                                > Translators' tricks of the trade:
                                > http://czeng.wetpaint.com/
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                >
                                > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                >
                                >
                                >
                              • Martin Janda
                                OK, if we leave out the neobytny thing, we get hypersensitivni which is old-fashioned but not necessarily wrong. As to the many pripady, the wording is not
                                Message 15 of 25 , Oct 1, 2009
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                                  OK, if we leave out the neobytny thing, we get hypersensitivni which is
                                  old-fashioned but not necessarily wrong. As to the many pripady, the
                                  wording is not realy nice but not an error again. I don't like the prvni
                                  pomoc either, but again, no typo included.

                                  To sum it up: an average translation, not nice but more or less
                                  acceptable. I've seen much worse....

                                  M.



                                  Charlie Stanford napsal(a):
                                  > Oops - the neobytny is my fault... It actually says nezbytny - again I OCRed
                                  > it and spell-checked but it did not pick up certain things. Sorry
                                  > translator....
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > ----- Original Message -----
                                  > From: "Matej Klimes" <mklimes@...>
                                  > To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                  > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 1:18 PM
                                  > Subject: Re: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >> Not sure about medical shorthand, but there surely is more than one
                                  >> typo/problem here:
                                  >>
                                  >> */V případě*/ výskytu hypersen*s*itivní reakce je nutné okamžitě přerušit
                                  >> podávání léčivého přípravku a */v případě*/ potřeby zahájit intravenózní
                                  >> léčbu. Vzhledem k tomu, že v naléhavých */případech*/ je ****neobytný****
                                  >> (even if the typo is corrected, the word neodbytny is not correct here)
                                  >> okamžitý zásah, mělo by být k dispozici ***vybavení pro první pomoc***,
                                  >> včetně příslušných nezbytných léčiv.
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >> Lahvičku s kitem umístěte do vhodného olověného stínění (minimální
                                  >> tloušťka
                                  >> stěny *****118***** palc*e*) s přiléhavým olověným uzávěrem.
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >> I agree about the kit bit though - thye meaning is so far removed that it
                                  >> couldn't be mistranslation, it's either called that in Czech, or it's
                                  >> simpler and more logical to say it this way than directly translate - but
                                  >> we're only guessing..
                                  >>
                                  >> Ok it's not that bad, maybe lazy rather than amateurish, but both these
                                  >> things "get me going" quickly as they are totally unnecessary
                                  >>
                                  >> M
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >> ----- Original Message -----
                                  >> From: "Martin Janda" <mjanda@...>
                                  >> To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                  >> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 1:04 PM
                                  >> Subject: Re: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >> Sorry guys, I beg to disagree. The translated text fits to the
                                  >> old-fashioned medical style which is widely used, and even though I
                                  >> would personally use a different wording, it's definitely not that bad
                                  >> or amateurish. So far, I was able to find just one typo, not many.
                                  >>
                                  >> As the life supporting stuff - I don't think there is any standard
                                  >> translation established. The guy had to be a bit creative here but true,
                                  >> 'prvni pomoc' is a bit understatement. I would go with something like
                                  >> 'komplexní vybavení k zajisteni podpory zivotnich funkci'. (I don't
                                  >> think 'advanced' means 'moderni' here - rather a lot of machinery,
                                  >> monitors, etc. instead of a single defibrillator.
                                  >>
                                  >> Now to lahvicka s kitem: It does not sound right, I would remove !s
                                  >> kitem' and make it 's reakcni smesi', or just !lahvicka' - but chances
                                  >> are that the guy has seen the real device, knows how it works and now he
                                  >> conveys the real message instead of clumsily translating word by word as
                                  >> we translators often do....
                                  >>
                                  >> HTH
                                  >> Martin
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >> Charlie Stanford napsal(a):
                                  >>> Thanks Matej and Jarda. There is more I am afraid... It goes on to talk
                                  >>> about a reaction vial in the English
                                  >>> Place the reaction vial in a suitable lead vial shield (minimum wall
                                  >>> thickness 1/8 inch) which has a fitted lead cap.
                                  >>>
                                  >>> and this has been translated as a
                                  >>>
                                  >>> Lahvičku s kitem umístěte do vhodného olověného stínění (minimální
                                  >>> tloušťka
                                  >>> stěny 118 palce) s přiléhavým olověným uzávěrem.
                                  >>>
                                  >>> I am not sure about Lahvičku s kitem - I cannot find any reference to one
                                  >>> on
                                  >>> the Internet and think it might be a bit of a mistranslation too.... Do
                                  >>> you
                                  >>> go along with that?
                                  >>>
                                  >>> Thanks for any help.
                                  >>> Charlie
                                  >>>
                                  >>> ----- Original Message -----
                                  >>> From: "Matej Klimes" <mklimes@...>
                                  >>> To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                  >>> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:10 PM
                                  >>> Subject: Re: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities
                                  >>>
                                  >>>
                                  >>>> ... and the Czech is full of typos and old-fashioned and/or literal
                                  >>>> terminology - amateur/lazy translation
                                  >>>>
                                  >>>> M
                                  >>>>
                                  >>>>
                                  >>>> ----- Original Message -----
                                  >>>> From: "Charlie Stanford" <charliestanfordtranslations@...>
                                  >>>> To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                  >>>> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:00 PM
                                  >>>> Subject: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities
                                  >>>>
                                  >>>>
                                  >>>> Hi there,
                                  >>>> I am just hoping to check whether something has been translated
                                  >>>> correctly
                                  >>>> into Czech - it does not seem right to me.... The English reads as
                                  >>>> follows:
                                  >>>>
                                  >>>> If a hypersensitivity reaction occurs the administration of the
                                  >>>> medicinal
                                  >>>> product must be interrupted immediately and - if necessary - an
                                  >>>> intravenous
                                  >>>> treatment initiated. As in case of emergency immediate action is
                                  >>>> required,
                                  >>>> ***advanced life support facilities*** including the respective
                                  >>>> medicinal
                                  >>>> products necessary for treatment should be readily available.
                                  >>>>
                                  >>>> V případě výskytu hypersensitivní reakce je nutné okamžitě přerušit
                                  >>>> podávání
                                  >>>> léčivého přípravku a v případě potřeby zahájit intravenózní léčbu.
                                  >>>> Vzhledem
                                  >>>> k tomu, že v naléhavých případech je neobytný okamžitý zásah, mělo by
                                  >>>> být
                                  >>>> k
                                  >>>> dispozici ***vybavení pro první pomoc***, včetně příslušných nezbytných
                                  >>>> léčiv.
                                  >>>>
                                  >>>> Can someone give me a suitable Czech term for "advanced life support
                                  >>>> facilities" please...
                                  >>>> TIA
                                  >>>> Charlie
                                  >>>>
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                                  >>>>
                                  >>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                  >>>>
                                  >>>>
                                  >>>>
                                  >>>> ------------------------------------
                                  >>>>
                                  >>>> Translators' tricks of the trade:
                                  >>>> http://czeng.wetpaint.com/
                                  >>>>
                                  >>>>
                                  >>>>
                                  >>>>
                                  >>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
                                  >>>>
                                  >>>>
                                  >>>>
                                  >>>>
                                  >>>>
                                  >>>>
                                  >>>> ------------------------------------
                                  >>>>
                                  >>>> Translators' tricks of the trade:
                                  >>>> http://czeng.wetpaint.com/
                                  >>>>
                                  >>>>
                                  >>>>
                                  >>>>
                                  >>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
                                  >>>>
                                  >>>>
                                  >>>>
                                  >>>
                                  >>>
                                  >>> ------------------------------------
                                  >>>
                                  >>> Translators' tricks of the trade:
                                  >>> http://czeng.wetpaint.com/
                                  >>>
                                  >>>
                                  >>>
                                  >>>
                                  >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
                                  >>>
                                  >>>
                                  >>>
                                  >>>
                                  >>>
                                  >>
                                  >> ------------------------------------
                                  >>
                                  >> Translators' tricks of the trade:
                                  >> http://czeng.wetpaint.com/
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >> Yahoo! Groups Links
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >> ------------------------------------
                                  >>
                                  >> Translators' tricks of the trade:
                                  >> http://czeng.wetpaint.com/
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >> Yahoo! Groups Links
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >>
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > ------------------------------------
                                  >
                                  > Translators' tricks of the trade:
                                  > http://czeng.wetpaint.com/
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                • Jan Culka
                                  staci precitlively ... From: Martin Janda To: Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 2:52 PM Subject: Re:
                                  Message 16 of 25 , Oct 1, 2009
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                                    staci precitlively



                                    ----- Original Message -----
                                    From: "Martin Janda" <mjanda@...>
                                    To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                    Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 2:52 PM
                                    Subject: Re: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities


                                    > OK, if we leave out the neobytny thing, we get hypersensitivni which is
                                    > old-fashioned but not necessarily wrong. As to the many pripady, the
                                    > wording is not realy nice but not an error again. I don't like the prvni
                                    > pomoc either, but again, no typo included.
                                    >
                                    > To sum it up: an average translation, not nice but more or less
                                    > acceptable. I've seen much worse....
                                    >
                                    > M.
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Charlie Stanford napsal(a):
                                    >> Oops - the neobytny is my fault... It actually says nezbytny - again I
                                    >> OCRed
                                    >> it and spell-checked but it did not pick up certain things. Sorry
                                    >> translator....
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >> ----- Original Message -----
                                    >> From: "Matej Klimes" <mklimes@...>
                                    >> To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                    >> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 1:18 PM
                                    >> Subject: Re: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >>> Not sure about medical shorthand, but there surely is more than one
                                    >>> typo/problem here:
                                    >>>
                                    >>> */V případě*/ výskytu hypersen*s*itivní reakce je nutné okamžitě
                                    >>> přerušit
                                    >>> podávání léčivého přípravku a */v případě*/ potřeby zahájit intravenózní
                                    >>> léčbu. Vzhledem k tomu, že v naléhavých */případech*/ je
                                    >>> ****neobytný****
                                    >>> (even if the typo is corrected, the word neodbytny is not correct here)
                                    >>> okamžitý zásah, mělo by být k dispozici ***vybavení pro první pomoc***,
                                    >>> včetně příslušných nezbytných léčiv.
                                    >>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>> Lahvičku s kitem umístěte do vhodného olověného stínění (minimální
                                    >>> tloušťka
                                    >>> stěny *****118***** palc*e*) s přiléhavým olověným uzávěrem.
                                    >>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>> I agree about the kit bit though - thye meaning is so far removed that
                                    >>> it
                                    >>> couldn't be mistranslation, it's either called that in Czech, or it's
                                    >>> simpler and more logical to say it this way than directly translate -
                                    >>> but
                                    >>> we're only guessing..
                                    >>>
                                    >>> Ok it's not that bad, maybe lazy rather than amateurish, but both these
                                    >>> things "get me going" quickly as they are totally unnecessary
                                    >>>
                                    >>> M
                                    >>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>> ----- Original Message -----
                                    >>> From: "Martin Janda" <mjanda@...>
                                    >>> To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                    >>> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 1:04 PM
                                    >>> Subject: Re: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities
                                    >>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>> Sorry guys, I beg to disagree. The translated text fits to the
                                    >>> old-fashioned medical style which is widely used, and even though I
                                    >>> would personally use a different wording, it's definitely not that bad
                                    >>> or amateurish. So far, I was able to find just one typo, not many.
                                    >>>
                                    >>> As the life supporting stuff - I don't think there is any standard
                                    >>> translation established. The guy had to be a bit creative here but true,
                                    >>> 'prvni pomoc' is a bit understatement. I would go with something like
                                    >>> 'komplexní vybavení k zajisteni podpory zivotnich funkci'. (I don't
                                    >>> think 'advanced' means 'moderni' here - rather a lot of machinery,
                                    >>> monitors, etc. instead of a single defibrillator.
                                    >>>
                                    >>> Now to lahvicka s kitem: It does not sound right, I would remove !s
                                    >>> kitem' and make it 's reakcni smesi', or just !lahvicka' - but chances
                                    >>> are that the guy has seen the real device, knows how it works and now he
                                    >>> conveys the real message instead of clumsily translating word by word as
                                    >>> we translators often do....
                                    >>>
                                    >>> HTH
                                    >>> Martin
                                    >>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>> Charlie Stanford napsal(a):
                                    >>>> Thanks Matej and Jarda. There is more I am afraid... It goes on to talk
                                    >>>> about a reaction vial in the English
                                    >>>> Place the reaction vial in a suitable lead vial shield (minimum wall
                                    >>>> thickness 1/8 inch) which has a fitted lead cap.
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>> and this has been translated as a
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>> Lahvičku s kitem umístěte do vhodného olověného stínění (minimální
                                    >>>> tloušťka
                                    >>>> stěny 118 palce) s přiléhavým olověným uzávěrem.
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>> I am not sure about Lahvičku s kitem - I cannot find any reference to
                                    >>>> one
                                    >>>> on
                                    >>>> the Internet and think it might be a bit of a mistranslation too.... Do
                                    >>>> you
                                    >>>> go along with that?
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>> Thanks for any help.
                                    >>>> Charlie
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>> ----- Original Message -----
                                    >>>> From: "Matej Klimes" <mklimes@...>
                                    >>>> To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                    >>>> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:10 PM
                                    >>>> Subject: Re: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>>> ... and the Czech is full of typos and old-fashioned and/or literal
                                    >>>>> terminology - amateur/lazy translation
                                    >>>>>
                                    >>>>> M
                                    >>>>>
                                    >>>>>
                                    >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
                                    >>>>> From: "Charlie Stanford" <charliestanfordtranslations@...>
                                    >>>>> To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                    >>>>> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 12:00 PM
                                    >>>>> Subject: [Czechlist] advanced life support facilities
                                    >>>>>
                                    >>>>>
                                    >>>>> Hi there,
                                    >>>>> I am just hoping to check whether something has been translated
                                    >>>>> correctly
                                    >>>>> into Czech - it does not seem right to me.... The English reads as
                                    >>>>> follows:
                                    >>>>>
                                    >>>>> If a hypersensitivity reaction occurs the administration of the
                                    >>>>> medicinal
                                    >>>>> product must be interrupted immediately and - if necessary - an
                                    >>>>> intravenous
                                    >>>>> treatment initiated. As in case of emergency immediate action is
                                    >>>>> required,
                                    >>>>> ***advanced life support facilities*** including the respective
                                    >>>>> medicinal
                                    >>>>> products necessary for treatment should be readily available.
                                    >>>>>
                                    >>>>> V případě výskytu hypersensitivní reakce je nutné okamžitě přerušit
                                    >>>>> podávání
                                    >>>>> léčivého přípravku a v případě potřeby zahájit intravenózní léčbu.
                                    >>>>> Vzhledem
                                    >>>>> k tomu, že v naléhavých případech je neobytný okamžitý zásah, mělo by
                                    >>>>> být
                                    >>>>> k
                                    >>>>> dispozici ***vybavení pro první pomoc***, včetně příslušných
                                    >>>>> nezbytných
                                    >>>>> léčiv.
                                    >>>>>
                                    >>>>> Can someone give me a suitable Czech term for "advanced life support
                                    >>>>> facilities" please...
                                    >>>>> TIA
                                    >>>>> Charlie
                                    >>>>>
                                    >>>>> --
                                    >>>>> Jsem chráněn bezplatným SPAMfighter pro soukromé uživatele.
                                    >>>>> Až doposud mě ušetřil příjmu 8264 spam-emailů.
                                    >>>>> Platící uživatelé tuto zprávu ve svých e-mailech nedostavají.
                                    >>>>> Stáhněte si zadarmo SPAMfighter zde: www.spamfighter.com/lcs
                                    >>>>>
                                    >>>>>
                                    >>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                    >>>>>
                                    >>>>>
                                    >>>>>
                                    >>>>> ------------------------------------
                                    >>>>>
                                    >>>>> Translators' tricks of the trade:
                                    >>>>> http://czeng.wetpaint.com/
                                    >>>>>
                                    >>>>>
                                    >>>>>
                                    >>>>>
                                    >>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
                                    >>>>>
                                    >>>>>
                                    >>>>>
                                    >>>>>
                                    >>>>>
                                    >>>>>
                                    >>>>> ------------------------------------
                                    >>>>>
                                    >>>>> Translators' tricks of the trade:
                                    >>>>> http://czeng.wetpaint.com/
                                    >>>>>
                                    >>>>>
                                    >>>>>
                                    >>>>>
                                    >>>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
                                    >>>>>
                                    >>>>>
                                    >>>>>
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>> ------------------------------------
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>> Translators' tricks of the trade:
                                    >>>> http://czeng.wetpaint.com/
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>> ------------------------------------
                                    >>>
                                    >>> Translators' tricks of the trade:
                                    >>> http://czeng.wetpaint.com/
                                    >>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
                                    >>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>> ------------------------------------
                                    >>>
                                    >>> Translators' tricks of the trade:
                                    >>> http://czeng.wetpaint.com/
                                    >>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>> Yahoo! Groups Links
                                    >>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>>
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >> ------------------------------------
                                    >>
                                    >> Translators' tricks of the trade:
                                    >> http://czeng.wetpaint.com/
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >> Yahoo! Groups Links
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >>
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > ------------------------------------
                                    >
                                    > Translators' tricks of the trade:
                                    > http://czeng.wetpaint.com/
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > Yahoo! Groups Links
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                    >
                                  • Petr
                                    On je taky vzdycky problem se zaokrouhlovanim a co zakaznik snese . Kdyz budu mit vetu stineni ma mit tloustku 7 palcu a prelozim 18 cm , tak se nekdy
                                    Message 17 of 25 , Oct 1, 2009
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                                      On je taky vzdycky problem se zaokrouhlovanim a co zakaznik "snese". Kdyz budu mit vetu "stineni ma mit tloustku 7 palcu" a prelozim "18 cm", tak se nekdy zasekne, ze to musi byt "17,78 cm".
                                      Petr
                                    • Martin Janda
                                      Ja vim - z toho pak padaji komicke vety typu about one inch - asi 2,54 cm . Blbost jde napric populaci - prekladatelu i klientu. S blbosti vlastnich
                                      Message 18 of 25 , Oct 1, 2009
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                                        Ja vim - z toho pak padaji komicke vety typu "about one inch" -> "asi
                                        2,54 cm". Blbost jde napric populaci - prekladatelu i klientu. S blbosti
                                        vlastnich klientu ma smysl do urcite miry bojovat. U tech druhych to asi
                                        smysl nema, s vyjimkou sebe sama....

                                        M.



                                        Petr napsal(a):
                                        >
                                        >
                                        > On je taky vzdycky problem se zaokrouhlovanim a co zakaznik "snese".
                                        > Kdyz budu mit vetu "stineni ma mit tloustku 7 palcu" a prelozim "18 cm",
                                        > tak se nekdy zasekne, ze to musi byt "17,78 cm".
                                        > Petr
                                      • Radka
                                        Hi, I might be a bit late, but my client wants me to call this život udržující přístroje whether I like it or not, apparently that was an established
                                        Message 19 of 25 , Oct 1, 2009
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                                          Hi,
                                          I might be a bit late, but my client wants me to call this "život udržující přístroje" whether I like it or not, apparently that was an established term for them. So I guess you could add vyspělé to the front...

                                          And was about to say that neobytné was meant to be nezbytné, then saw your other post.

                                          Radka


                                          --- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com, "Charlie Stanford" <charliestanfordtranslations@...> wrote:
                                          >
                                          > Hi there,
                                          > I am just hoping to check whether something has been translated correctly into Czech - it does not seem right to me.... The English reads as follows:
                                          >
                                          > If a hypersensitivity reaction occurs the administration of the medicinal product must be interrupted immediately and - if necessary - an intravenous treatment initiated. As in case of emergency immediate action is required, ***advanced life support facilities*** including the respective medicinal products necessary for treatment should be readily available.
                                          >
                                          > V pøípadì výskytu hypersensitivní reakce je nutné okam¾itì pøeru¹it podávání léèivého pøípravku a v pøípadì potøeby zahájit intravenózní léèbu. Vzhledem k tomu, ¾e v naléhavých pøípadech je neobytný okam¾itý zásah, mìlo by být k dispozici ***vybavení pro první pomoc***, vèetnì pøíslu¹ných nezbytných léèiv.
                                          >
                                          > Can someone give me a suitable Czech term for "advanced life support facilities" please...
                                          > TIA
                                          > Charlie
                                          >
                                          > --
                                          > Jsem chránìn bezplatným SPAMfighter pro soukromé u¾ivatele.
                                          > A¾ doposud mì u¹etøil pøíjmu 8264 spam-emailù.
                                          > Platící u¾ivatelé tuto zprávu ve svých e-mailech nedostavají.
                                          > Stáhnìte si zadarmo SPAMfighter zde: www.spamfighter.com/lcs
                                          >
                                          >
                                          > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                          >
                                        • Sarka Rubkova
                                          U trubek se prece palce pouzivaly jiz pred valkou - to prece nemuzes srovnavat. sarka ... From: Petr Date: 1.10.2009 13:36:21 To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com
                                          Message 20 of 25 , Oct 2, 2009
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                                            U trubek se prece palce pouzivaly jiz pred valkou - to prece nemuzes
                                            srovnavat.

                                            sarka

                                            -------Original Message-------

                                            From: Petr
                                            Date: 1.10.2009 13:36:21
                                            To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com
                                            Subject: [Czechlist] Re: advanced life support facilities

                                            Ja bych asi taky nechal 1/8 palce jak to je. Mimochodem napadlo by nekoho
                                            z vas prevadet ctvrpalcovou nebo pulpalcovou trubku na metricke jednotky?
                                            Petr A.
                                            --- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com, Martin Janda <mjanda@...> wrote:
                                            >
                                            > You would be surprised how many idiots blindly copy imperial units into
                                            > Czech texts.... admittedly, some clients require that.
                                            >
                                            > the other M





                                            [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
                                          • Matej Klimes
                                            Neco jineho je pouziti u trubky nebo zavitu, kde se to bezne pouziva (a uz se ani neuvadi ze je to v palcich) a neco jineho pro bezny rozmer (tloustku) ve
                                            Message 21 of 25 , Oct 2, 2009
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                                              Neco jineho je pouziti u trubky nebo zavitu, kde se to bezne pouziva (a uz se ani neuvadi ze je to v palcich) a neco jineho pro bezny rozmer (tloustku) ve vete, kde ta informace ma slouzit k blizsimu urceni toho jak to ma vypadat, ja bych si teda musel vzit k ruce kalkulacku a Internet abych si presne vypocet/predstavil 1/8 palce, takze bych totez predpokladal o vetsine ostatnich CZ ctenaru a udelal bych jako prekladatel tu praci za ne a dal tam rovnou milimetry..

                                              M


                                              ----- Original Message -----
                                              From: Sarka Rubkova
                                              To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com
                                              Sent: Friday, October 02, 2009 12:02 PM
                                              Subject: Re: [Czechlist] Re: advanced life support facilities


                                              U trubek se prece palce pouzivaly jiz pred valkou - to prece nemuzes
                                              srovnavat.

                                              sarka

                                              -------Original Message-------

                                              From: Petr
                                              Date: 1.10.2009 13:36:21
                                              To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com
                                              Subject: [Czechlist] Re: advanced life support facilities

                                              Ja bych asi taky nechal 1/8 palce jak to je. Mimochodem napadlo by nekoho
                                              z vas prevadet ctvrpalcovou nebo pulpalcovou trubku na metricke jednotky?
                                              Petr A.
                                              --- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com, Martin Janda <mjanda@...> wrote:
                                              >
                                              > You would be surprised how many idiots blindly copy imperial units into
                                              > Czech texts.... admittedly, some clients require that.
                                              >
                                              > the other M





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