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Re: [Czechlist] Ruzne desky

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  • Matej Klimes
    Happy proofread, Jamie, things made of wood translated as files sound like lot of fun... pracovni deska is a counter top, i.e. what sits on top of your kitchen
    Message 1 of 18 , Jan 2, 2008
      Happy proofread, Jamie,

      things made of wood translated as files sound like lot of fun...

      pracovni deska is a counter top, i.e. what sits on top of your kitchen cabinets, in 99% of cases is CZ

      MDS must be a typo for MDF, which I think is used in English in professional context as well, otherwise plain old chipboard

      Re the third question, it's difficult to come up with an all-encompassing definition, as with all things Czech, there are a lot of exceptions, but generally:

      - a piece of wood (rectangular cross-section, say 1 by 3 in) that comes out of a saw mill is PRKNO
      - an extremely wide piece of wood (2 by 10 in) ditto MAY be called a deska, but is technically a prkno, FOSNA being the synonymum, but reserved for larger chunks (or less finelly sawn) such as this
      - someting more substantial, like a 2 by 4, or any other cross-section whose two dimensions are closer to each other is TRAMEK, TRAM
      (all above are solid wood, of course)

      - DESKA is typically something much wider, i.e. 60 cm wide and 3-6 cm thick, which by definition has to be fabricated, i.e. glued out of solid chunks of wood (lepena, cink, cink means the chunks are glued to each other to form a strip the length of the board..), or chopped up wood (like chipboard) with veneer or plastic glued to the surface

      So a DESKA would typically be something fabricated (glued etc. as opposed to just sawn off a log), but in some cases, individual planks can be referred to as deska as well (especially if we're talking dialects and/or professional slang)...

      Confused? DONT' WORRY!, in your context (a price list of wooden products by the sound of it), a DESKA will almost certainly be the wider-and-not-solid-chunk-of-wood type of thing

      I would personaly call them boards, with some additional characteristic (laminated, chipbopard, etc) thrown in.. panels are usually rectangular things used to cover something up (false ceilings, wall lining) and they have usually have a specific shape/surface.., but again, some of those things may be called a DESKA in come contexts in Czech, most probably not in yours though..

      Hope this helps

      Matej


      ----- Original Message -----
      From: James Kirchner
      To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 4:12 PM
      Subject: [Czechlist] Ruzne desky


      Hap-hap-happity New Year, folks!

      I've got a question about different types of "desky".

      "Pracovni desky" - These seem to be counter tops or work surfaces,
      right?

      "MDS-desky" - I can't find this anywhere. I can't even find MDS.

      When "desky" are mentioned among various wood-related products for
      shipping, would you call them "boards" or "panels"? In the US,
      sometimes we even call panels OR boards in that situation.

      I've got a translation to proofread in which the translator keeps
      referring to "desky" as "files". So "lamino desky" is rendered as
      "laminated files", and "pracovni desky" he has as "work files". This
      sounds impossible to me, especially considering that these things are
      being lumped together with flooring products.

      Any help would be appreciated.

      Jamie





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    • Martin Janda
      Jamie, Are you sure all these desky are wooden? Lamino desky might be easily a kind of plastic binder as well. As to MDS, that reminds me of a binder with MSDS
      Message 2 of 18 , Jan 2, 2008
        Jamie,

        Are you sure all these desky are wooden? Lamino desky might be easily a
        kind of plastic binder as well. As to MDS, that reminds me of a binder
        with MSDS sheets... Just a wild guess, I know.

        Martin

        Alena Rysková 2e napsal(a):
        >
        >
        > If all these "desky" are of wood, then I think they might be "mekka
        > drevovlaknita deska" or something similar. Seems that the translator did
        > not know what it was and left the abbr as it was.
        > Alena
        >
        > ----- Original Message -----
        > From: James Kirchner
        > To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Czechlist%40yahoogroups.com>
        > Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 4:12 PM
        > Subject: [Czechlist] Ruzne desky
        >
        > Hap-hap-happity New Year, folks!
        >
        > I've got a question about different types of "desky".
        >
        > "Pracovni desky" - These seem to be counter tops or work surfaces,
        > right?
        >
        > "MDS-desky" - I can't find this anywhere. I can't even find MDS.
        >
        > When "desky" are mentioned among various wood-related products for
        > shipping, would you call them "boards" or "panels"? In the US,
        > sometimes we even call panels OR boards in that situation.
        >
        > I've got a translation to proofread in which the translator keeps
        > referring to "desky" as "files". So "lamino desky" is rendered as
        > "laminated files", and "pracovni desky" he has as "work files". This
        > sounds impossible to me, especially considering that these things are
        > being lumped together with flooring products.
        >
        > Any help would be appreciated.
        >
        > Jamie
        >
        > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
        >
        >
      • Šárka Rubková
        Hi Jamie, pracovní desky - you are right MDS desky - never herd of them, however there are MDF desky that are made of wood chips compressed together and
        Message 3 of 18 , Jan 2, 2008
          Hi Jamie,

          "pracovn� desky" - you are right

          "MDS desky" - never herd of them, however there are "MDF desky" that are
          made of wood chips compressed together and bond by some binding agent.

          I would translace desky as pannels because boards in British English are 5cm
          planks.



          Sarka



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          Of James Kirchner
          Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 4:13 PM
          To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: [Czechlist] Ruzne desky



          Hap-hap-happity New Year, folks!

          I've got a question about different types of "desky".

          "Pracovni desky" - These seem to be counter tops or work surfaces,
          right?

          "MDS-desky" - I can't find this anywhere. I can't even find MDS.

          When "desky" are mentioned among various wood-related products for
          shipping, would you call them "boards" or "panels"? In the US,
          sometimes we even call panels OR boards in that situation.

          I've got a translation to proofread in which the translator keeps
          referring to "desky" as "files". So "lamino desky" is rendered as
          "laminated files", and "pracovni desky" he has as "work files". This
          sounds impossible to me, especially considering that these things are
          being lumped together with flooring products.

          Any help would be appreciated.

          Jamie





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        • James Kirchner
          ... Yes. I can figure out from Czech daily life why he translated various words as he did. He translates zasilka as parcel even when it refers to bulk
          Message 4 of 18 , Jan 2, 2008
            On Jan 2, 2008, at 10:48 AM, Josef Hlavac wrote:

            > "Desky" can also refer to a paper or plastic folder (or a protective
            > cover) for storing and organizing documents. Perhaps the translator
            > looked up the word in a dictionary without bothering about the
            > context.
            > Does the overall quality of the translation support this hypothesis?

            Yes. I can figure out from Czech daily life why he translated various
            words as he did. He translates "zasilka" as "parcel" even when it
            refers to bulk shipments of resins and other loose material in ships,
            probably because he sees the "zasilky" window at the post office. My
            favorite one is that he translates the "vlozka" in the obchodni
            rejstrik as "pad". This is funny to me, because what in English is
            called a menstrual pad is called "vlozka" in Czech. Many English
            pads are Czech vlozky, because they are inserted somewhere.

            Thanks very much, Josef.

            Jamie



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          • James Kirchner
            ... So fiber board. Thanks very much, Alena. Jamie [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
            Message 5 of 18 , Jan 2, 2008
              On Jan 2, 2008, at 10:52 AM, Alena Rysková 2e wrote:

              > If all these "desky" are of wood, then I think they might be "mekka
              > drevovlaknita deska" or something similar. Seems that the translator
              > did not know what it was and left the abbr as it was.

              So fiber board. Thanks very much, Alena.

              Jamie




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            • James Kirchner
              Thanks, Matej. Very good information. I d assumed they were wider pieces, so I m going with panels. And thanks to everyone else I haven t thanked -- Sarka,
              Message 6 of 18 , Jan 2, 2008
                Thanks, Matej. Very good information. I'd assumed they were wider
                pieces, so I'm going with panels.

                And thanks to everyone else I haven't thanked -- Sarka, Martin, Honza
                and Iveta.

                Jamie
              • James Kirchner
                Since I seldom proofread other translators work, this current job has gotten me wondering. Do you folks proofread your own stuff? I proofread my own
                Message 7 of 18 , Jan 2, 2008
                  Since I seldom proofread other translators' work, this current job has
                  gotten me wondering.

                  Do you folks proofread your own stuff?

                  I proofread my own translations before I send them to the assigned
                  proofreader, so what the proofreaders get from me tends to be rather
                  clean. Is this unusual?

                  The current job arrived three days late, and is very sloppy. The
                  translator copied and pasted various repetitive parts without fully
                  noticing that they were not completely repetitive. I'm even having to
                  correct font problems caused by the translator's OCR software, that
                  should have been a quick fix on his end.

                  Is this more the norm or the exception?

                  Jamie
                • Romana Vlcek
                  Hello Jamie, This is certainly a matter of time. You never know, under which circumstances a translator is working. If you imagine someone with babies crying
                  Message 8 of 18 , Jan 2, 2008
                    Hello Jamie,

                    This is certainly a matter of time. You never know, under which circumstances a translator is working. If you imagine someone with babies crying in their home, their dieing 18 years old dog begging for attention, their back hurting, the eyes burning, the marriage close to splitting up, other jobs sitting on the desk with pressing deadlines, too - then it is certainly imaginable that a translator decides just to do the most necessary basics and get rid of a job as quickly as possible, so the proofreader does the rest.

                    Under "normal", peaceful and healthy circumstances, we all certainly agree that we should proofread our own work and send a spelling check through, before we pass it on.

                    Best regards,
                    Romana


                    ----- Original Message -----
                    From: James Kirchner
                    To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2008 3:26 AM
                    Subject: [Czechlist] Do you proofread your own stuff?


                    Since I seldom proofread other translators' work, this current job has
                    gotten me wondering.

                    Do you folks proofread your own stuff?

                    I proofread my own translations before I send them to the assigned
                    proofreader, so what the proofreaders get from me tends to be rather
                    clean. Is this unusual?

                    The current job arrived three days late, and is very sloppy. The
                    translator copied and pasted various repetitive parts without fully
                    noticing that they were not completely repetitive. I'm even having to
                    correct font problems caused by the translator's OCR software, that
                    should have been a quick fix on his end.

                    Is this more the norm or the exception?

                    Jamie





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                  • Šárka Rubková
                    Hi Jamie, I proofread my translations. I cannot say always because there are some job where my customer wants to have the translation very quickly but, in such
                    Message 9 of 18 , Jan 5, 2008
                      Hi Jamie,

                      I proofread my translations. I cannot say always because there are some job
                      where my customer wants to have the translation very quickly but, in such
                      case, he is always warned that mistakes may occur in the translation.

                      I would like to assure you that the translation you mentioned is the
                      exception but I do not know. I usually cooperate with proven translators who
                      have the same approach so I cannot talk on behalf of all.



                      Sarka



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                      From: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Czechlist@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                      Of James Kirchner
                      Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 5:27 PM
                      To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com
                      Subject: [Czechlist] Do you proofread your own stuff?



                      Since I seldom proofread other translators' work, this current job has
                      gotten me wondering.

                      Do you folks proofread your own stuff?

                      I proofread my own translations before I send them to the assigned
                      proofreader, so what the proofreaders get from me tends to be rather
                      clean. Is this unusual?

                      The current job arrived three days late, and is very sloppy. The
                      translator copied and pasted various repetitive parts without fully
                      noticing that they were not completely repetitive. I'm even having to
                      correct font problems caused by the translator's OCR software, that
                      should have been a quick fix on his end.

                      Is this more the norm or the exception?

                      Jamie





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