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  • Sabina Králová
    I know I am rather late and I did not follow this - but there is a standard translation for principal investigator - hlavni zkušející sponsor - zadavatel
    Message 1 of 18 , Nov 6, 2007
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      I know I am rather late and I did not follow this - but there is a standard
      translation for
      principal investigator - hlavni zkušející
      sponsor - zadavatel
      Sabina
      -----Original Message-----
      From: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Czechlist@yahoogroups.com]On
      Behalf Of Martin Janda
      Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 8:54 AM
      To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [Czechlist] Re: Help: zadavatel


      Hi Coilin again,

      Looks like this is either a poorly translated text from English, or the
      writer is a bit behind the current terminology. Anyway, I would suggest
      the following:

      vyzkumnik - Principal Investigator (... who commissioned the study)
      sponzor - Sponsor
      prispevek = prispevky (IMHO no distinction intended)

      hth
      Martin

      coilinoc napsal(a):
      >
      > --- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Czechlist%40yahoogroups.com>,
      > Martin Janda <mjanda@...> wrote:
      > >
      > > Coilin, can you copy and paste the relevant part(s)?
      >
      > Hi Martin,
      > here is the offending paragraph:
      >
      > Jedna se o vyslovne v bodu dva uvedenou studii vyzkumníka, ktery je
      > jejim zadavatelem a XXX podporuje tuto studii jako financni sponzor, a
      > neni zodpovedny za zahajeni, rizeni, provedeni a vyhodnoceni této
      > studie. XXX nebude v souvislosti s vyse uvedenou vyzkumnou cinnosti
      > udelovat vyzkumnikovi zadné prime instrukce, a take jinak nebude
      > uplatnovat primy vliv na prubeh vyzkumu u vyzkumnika.
      >
      > And here is the "point two above" which the text refers to:
      >
      > XXX bude podporovat výzkumnou činnost po obdobi od listopad 2007 do
      > cervna 2008 a zavazuje se poskytnout prispěvek uvedeny v § 3 této
      > smlouvy. Vyzkumnik se zavazuje tyto prispevky pouzit vylucne pro vyse
      > uvedenou studii. Naklady prevysujici prispevek na studii uhradi
      > vylucne vyzkumnik.
      >
      > Incidentally, is there any reason why "prispevek" can suddenly become
      > "prispevky" in the second sentence or is it a mistake...?
      >
      > Many thanks again
      > Coilin
      >
      > > Martin
      > >
      > > Matej Klimes napsal(a):
      > > >
      > > > Well, unless it features somewhere else, I'd go fo applicant here
      > > >
      > > > M
      > > >
      > > > ----- Original Message -----
      > > > From: coilinoc
      > > > To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Czechlist%40yahoogroups.com>
      > <mailto:Czechlist%40yahoogroups.com>
      > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:19 AM
      > > > Subject: [Czechlist] Help: zadavatel
      > > >
      > > > Hi there,
      > > > Can anyone think of a decent English equivalent for the word
      > > > "zadavatel" in terms of its use in the Act on Pharmaceuticals (as
      SUKL
      > > > calls this legislation), i.e. "Zadavatel je fyzicka nebo pravnicka
      > > > osoba, ktera je odpovedná za zahajeni, rizeni, organizovani,
      kontrolu,
      > > > popripade financovani klinickeho hodnoceni a za skody zpusobene
      > > > zvlastní povahou hodnoceneho leciva."??
      > > > MTIA for any suggestions
      > > > Coilin
      > > >
      > > >
      > >
      >
      >
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    • Sabina Králová
      Sorry - hlavní zkoušející Sabina ... From: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Czechlist@yahoogroups.com]On Behalf Of Sabina Králová Sent: Tuesday,
      Message 2 of 18 , Nov 6, 2007
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        Sorry - hlavní zkoušející
        Sabina
        -----Original Message-----
        From: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Czechlist@yahoogroups.com]On
        Behalf Of Sabina Králová
        Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 11:21 AM
        To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: RE: [Czechlist] Re: Help: zadavatel


        I know I am rather late and I did not follow this - but there is a
        standard
        translation for
        principal investigator - hlavni zkušející
        sponsor - zadavatel
        Sabina
        -----Original Message-----
        From: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Czechlist@yahoogroups.com]On
        Behalf Of Martin Janda
        Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 8:54 AM
        To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: Re: [Czechlist] Re: Help: zadavatel

        Hi Coilin again,

        Looks like this is either a poorly translated text from English, or the
        writer is a bit behind the current terminology. Anyway, I would suggest
        the following:

        vyzkumnik - Principal Investigator (... who commissioned the study)
        sponzor - Sponsor
        prispevek = prispevky (IMHO no distinction intended)

        hth
        Martin

        coilinoc napsal(a):
        >
        > --- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Czechlist%40yahoogroups.com>,
        > Martin Janda <mjanda@...> wrote:
        > >
        > > Coilin, can you copy and paste the relevant part(s)?
        >
        > Hi Martin,
        > here is the offending paragraph:
        >
        > Jedna se o vyslovne v bodu dva uvedenou studii vyzkumníka, ktery je
        > jejim zadavatelem a XXX podporuje tuto studii jako financni sponzor, a
        > neni zodpovedny za zahajeni, rizeni, provedeni a vyhodnoceni této
        > studie. XXX nebude v souvislosti s vyse uvedenou vyzkumnou cinnosti
        > udelovat vyzkumnikovi zadné prime instrukce, a take jinak nebude
        > uplatnovat primy vliv na prubeh vyzkumu u vyzkumnika.
        >
        > And here is the "point two above" which the text refers to:
        >
        > XXX bude podporovat výzkumnou činnost po obdobi od listopad 2007 do
        > cervna 2008 a zavazuje se poskytnout prispěvek uvedeny v § 3 této
        > smlouvy. Vyzkumnik se zavazuje tyto prispevky pouzit vylucne pro vyse
        > uvedenou studii. Naklady prevysujici prispevek na studii uhradi
        > vylucne vyzkumnik.
        >
        > Incidentally, is there any reason why "prispevek" can suddenly become
        > "prispevky" in the second sentence or is it a mistake...?
        >
        > Many thanks again
        > Coilin
        >
        > > Martin
        > >
        > > Matej Klimes napsal(a):
        > > >
        > > > Well, unless it features somewhere else, I'd go fo applicant here
        > > >
        > > > M
        > > >
        > > > ----- Original Message -----
        > > > From: coilinoc
        > > > To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Czechlist%40yahoogroups.com>
        > <mailto:Czechlist%40yahoogroups.com>
        > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 06, 2007 3:19 AM
        > > > Subject: [Czechlist] Help: zadavatel
        > > >
        > > > Hi there,
        > > > Can anyone think of a decent English equivalent for the word
        > > > "zadavatel" in terms of its use in the Act on Pharmaceuticals (as
        SUKL
        > > > calls this legislation), i.e. "Zadavatel je fyzicka nebo pravnicka
        > > > osoba, ktera je odpovedná za zahajeni, rizeni, organizovani,
        kontrolu,
        > > > popripade financovani klinickeho hodnoceni a za skody zpusobene
        > > > zvlastní povahou hodnoceneho leciva."??
        > > > MTIA for any suggestions
        > > > Coilin
        > > >
        > > >
        > >
        >
        >
        > Messages in this topic
        >
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      • tomas_barendregt
        ... standard ... I agree but Coilin s predicament stems from the fact that there is both a sponzor and zadavatel in this study, two separate entities. I
        Message 3 of 18 , Nov 6, 2007
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          --- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com, Sabina Králová <Sabina.Kralova@...>
          wrote:
          >
          > I know I am rather late and I did not follow this - but there is a
          standard
          > translation for
          > principal investigator - hlavni zkušející
          > sponsor - zadavatel

          I agree but Coilin's predicament stems from the fact that there is
          both a "sponzor" and "zadavatel" in this study, two separate entities.
          I think that's the confusing part. So we were suggesting maybe in this
          particular case it sounds like the party Coilin's text calls
          "zadavatel" does what usually the "principal investigator" would do.

          Tom
        • James Kirchner
          Has anyone looked on the websites of pharmaceutical development consultants and seen if there s something there? Jamie ... [Non-text portions of this message
          Message 4 of 18 , Nov 6, 2007
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            Has anyone looked on the websites of pharmaceutical development
            consultants and seen if there's something there?

            Jamie

            On Nov 6, 2007, at 10:19 AM, tomas_barendregt wrote:

            > --- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com, Sabina Kr�lov� <Sabina.Kralova@...>
            > wrote:
            > >
            > > I know I am rather late and I did not follow this - but there is a
            > standard
            > > translation for
            > > principal investigator - hlavni zku�ej�c�
            > > sponsor - zadavatel
            >
            > I agree but Coilin's predicament stems from the fact that there is
            > both a "sponzor" and "zadavatel" in this study, two separate entities.
            > I think that's the confusing part. So we were suggesting maybe in this
            > particular case it sounds like the party Coilin's text calls
            > "zadavatel" does what usually the "principal investigator" would do.
            >
            > Tom
            >
            >
            >



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          • coilinoc
            Thanks for the additional input, guys. The more I look at it, the more I think that zadavatel is indeed the sponsor in the sense of the Act on
            Message 5 of 18 , Nov 6, 2007
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              Thanks for the additional input, guys.
              The more I look at it, the more I think that "zadavatel" is indeed the
              "sponsor" in the sense of the Act on Pharmaceuticals in that it
              coordinates all aspects of the study. I'm beginning to think that they
              put this clause in to ensure that this sponsorship is not confused
              with the role of the other party who is simply a financial
              sponsor/backer or patron of the research.
              Still hard to come up with a two different terms in English, though...
              C.


              --- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com, James Kirchner <jpklists@...> wrote:
              >
              > Has anyone looked on the websites of pharmaceutical development
              > consultants and seen if there's something there?
              >
              > Jamie
              >
              > On Nov 6, 2007, at 10:19 AM, tomas_barendregt wrote:
              >
              > > --- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com, Sabina Králová <Sabina.Kralova@>
              > > wrote:
              > > >
              > > > I know I am rather late and I did not follow this - but there is a
              > > standard
              > > > translation for
              > > > principal investigator - hlavni zkušející
              > > > sponsor - zadavatel
              > >
              > > I agree but Coilin's predicament stems from the fact that there is
              > > both a "sponzor" and "zadavatel" in this study, two separate entities.
              > > I think that's the confusing part. So we were suggesting maybe in this
              > > particular case it sounds like the party Coilin's text calls
              > > "zadavatel" does what usually the "principal investigator" would do.
              > >
              > > Tom
              > >
              > >
              > >
              >
              >
              >
              > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
              >
            • tomas_barendregt
              ... Underwriter (for the financing sponsor)?
              Message 6 of 18 , Nov 6, 2007
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                --- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com, "coilinoc" <coilinoc@...> wrote:
                >
                > Thanks for the additional input, guys.
                > The more I look at it, the more I think that "zadavatel" is indeed the
                > "sponsor" in the sense of the Act on Pharmaceuticals in that it
                > coordinates all aspects of the study. I'm beginning to think that they
                > put this clause in to ensure that this sponsorship is not confused
                > with the role of the other party who is simply a financial
                > sponsor/backer or patron of the research.
                > Still hard to come up with a two different terms in English, though...

                Underwriter (for the financing sponsor)?
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