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  • James Kirchner
    ... It depends on which public school district you live in. In the Detroit public schools, if you ask a high school kid when the American Revolution occurred,
    Message 1 of 44 , Mar 3, 2007
      On Mar 3, 2007, at 2:41 PM, Helga Listen wrote:

      > Well, being neiter Czech nor American, but having spent quite some
      > time in
      > both countries I would say that the average Czech has a little more
      > of this
      > "Allgemeinbildung" than the average American does. Probably this is so
      > because (at least to my knowledge) the US educational system simply
      > focuses
      > very much on knowledge about the own country,

      It depends on which public school district you live in. In the
      Detroit public schools, if you ask a high school kid when the
      American Revolution occurred, he's liable to say 1967, because they
      get it confused with a race riot that burned down part of the city in
      that year. Many of them graduate from high school with a 3rd- to 8th-
      grade reading level. Meanwhile, just across the city limits, where I
      live, the kids can find most countries on the map before they're 10
      years old, can write almost like adults at 13, and do university
      level work in high school. Before 5th grade, I knew all about
      Argentina, the Netherlands and India, from the geographic and
      cultural standpoint, and I was in public school.

      > whilst european countries are
      > not as big and so the can also focus on the rest of the world.

      They don't actually focus that much on the rest of the world, and the
      farther they get from their own continent, the worse they get, so
      that many of them think that Los Angeles is where New York is, that
      Miami is in Brazil, etc. And when you get all the way down to
      Africa, their ignorance shows quite a bit. I met a young banker who
      was even very dim on the difference between North and South America
      (it didn't help that the Czech schools taught him that they are one
      continent, just as they taught that the US has 51 states). Their
      understanding of US geography and culture can be quite bizarre, and
      some of them think that Canada is all lumberjacks and eskimos.

      > And, as far as I know, (educated) Amercians are quite aware of the
      > fact that
      > their public school system is not one of the most efficient.

      Which public school system? Where? What town? There is no state
      school system here. But you're right that we know there are problems.

      > Why would there be so many privat ones, if the public ones were good?

      Where I live, we have public schools that are among the best in the
      world, but we also have private schools. It's not all about the
      quality of the education, but the type. Some people want their kids
      to have a non-secularist education that they can't get in the public
      schools, so they send them to Catholic, Jewish or some other school.
      Some kids don't do well in a large school, and they are better put in
      a private school, because it will be smaller. At this point, though,
      the kids who leave all the others in the dust tend to be the ones who
      don't go to school at all, but are educated at home. On average,
      they have much higher achievement than kids who go to school do, and
      universities compete to recruit them.


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    • melvyn.geo
      Trolling this list again, Radek?? Be off with you. Melvyn
      Message 44 of 44 , Mar 8, 2007
        Trolling this list again, Radek?? Be off with you.


        --- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com, "radekpletka" <RPletka@...> wrote:
        > Melvyn, good answer.
        > Kostas, you hugged too many trees lately. Reagan was a good guy, and
        > Jamie is even better, has a good feel for the truth, which you
        > sometimes miss because of that terrible Czech and other leftist media.
        > Go Jamie, tell them the truth (smile)
        > Advice for frustrated Czechs. Are you frustrated - go and slap a
        > communist, there are still plenty of them around, and each of them
        > deserve at least one good slap daily.
        > (smile)
        > Radek
        > --- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com, "melvyn.geo" <zehrovak@> wrote:
        > >
        > > --- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com, "kzgafas" <kzgafas@> wrote:
        > > >Do you think, Melvyn, this kind of Jamie's political preachings, when
        > > he tries to persuade others of his political views, is appropriate
        > > for a discussion group on translation and related issues?
        > >
        > > Kostas, normally I'd recommend the Czechlist Users' Guide procedure
        > > for this kind of query:
        > >
        > > http://www.geocities.com/melvyn.geo/newfaq.html#objection
        > >
        > > One reason I find this question puzzling is that you yourself have
        > > often spoken in favour of discussing broader issues on this list. See,
        > > for example:
        > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Czechlist/message/14
        > >
        > > > > I think it was an excellent (or, even more - essential) idea to
        > > set-up this mailing list. I believe that it will naturally develop
        > > into something very exciting and interesting, going far beyond
        > > "language only" list.
        > >
        > > ...and of course you have got into political and current affairs
        > > debates often enough on this list.
        > >
        > > So what's going on there, Kostas?
        > >
        > > I've always believed that some chat on broader issues and "realie"
        > > here oils the wheels of cogitation and takes us naturally from one
        > > relevant/interesting/useful topic to the next. We have traditionally
        > > discussed anything that is of concern to translators (see list
        > > description on list homepage) -- one of the things that makes
        > > Czechlist so cool IMNSHO.
        > >
        > > Personally, I think people's rants can sometimes provide valuable
        > > insights into mindsets which we might otherwise find difficult to
        > > understand. Seriously. Maybe you could try that approach. Or just
        > > delete them, like most people probably do (!if there is an appropriate
        > > header intro!). If you do find anything offensive then sure, go ahead
        > > and specify, preferably following the Users' Guide procedure.
        > >
        > > Political control of the group? This sounds bizarre to me -- like
        > > saying the guy who rants the longest and loudest at Speakers' Corner
        > > "politically controls" Hyde Park, when he's the guy that people all
        > > quickly walk past.
        > >
        > >
        > > BR
        > >
        > > M.
        > > Czechlist Users' Guide:
        > > http://www.geocities.com/melvyn.geo/newfaq.html
        > >
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