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  • Hana Jarolímová
    Ahoj, prekladam marketingovy pamflet - rozlisuji zakazniky na progressives , social climbers a conventionals - progressive je na fotce mlady uspesny pred
    Message 1 of 11 , May 19, 2006
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      Ahoj,
      prekladam marketingovy pamflet - rozlisuji zakazniky na "progressives",
      "social climbers" a "conventionals" - progressive je na fotce "mlady
      uspesny pred mrakodrapem", "social climber" je "mlada uspesna v tmavych
      brylich" a conventional je solidne vypadajici tatik s rodinou.
      Mam chut nazvat tatika "tradicionalista", ale bojuji s "progressive" a
      social climber - karierista se mi zda ponekud pejorativni. Jinak kontext
      zadny.
      Diky za tipy a rady
      HJ
    • Valerie Talacko
      Social climber is a curiously old-fashioned term for a marketing brochure to be using. I would have expected aspirationals or something. Much the same
      Message 2 of 11 , May 19, 2006
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        'Social climber' is a curiously old-fashioned term for a marketing brochure to be using. I would have expected 'aspirationals' or something. Much the same thing, I suppose, but 'social climber' is pretty perjorative in English too.



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        Subject: [Czechlist] Term: social climber, progressive


        Ahoj,
        prekladam marketingovy pamflet - rozlisuji zakazniky na "progressives",
        "social climbers" a "conventionals" - progressive je na fotce "mlady
        uspesny pred mrakodrapem", "social climber" je "mlada uspesna v tmavych
        brylich" a conventional je solidne vypadajici tatik s rodinou.
        Mam chut nazvat tatika "tradicionalista", ale bojuji s "progressive" a
        social climber - karierista se mi zda ponekud pejorativni. Jinak kontext
        zadny.
        Diky za tipy a rady
        HJ



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      • James Kirchner
        They re using these terms in a very strange way. Normally when you call someone a progressive it s a nice way of saying he s a communist or socialist. A
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          They're using these terms in a very strange way.

          Normally when you call someone a "progressive" it's a nice way of
          saying he's a communist or socialist.

          A "social climber" is normally an emotionally insecure person who
          does everything possible to raise herself from one social class to a
          higher one. This would involve going to the "right" university to
          marry the "right" man she doesn't love, hanging around with rich
          friends who are jerks, almost anything, except work and education.
          Social climber is not an archaic term in the US, as Valerie says it
          is in the UK. Her term "aspirationals" would be understandable to
          us, but it would sound like something an advertising righter had just
          made up on the spot.

          From the way the terms are defined, it sounds like in your text the
          progressive is actually a Yuppie (which is almost the opposite of
          what we call a progressive) and the social climber is a Yuppie in
          sunglasses. The descriptions don't make any sense.

          Jamie

          On May 19, 2006, at 3:59 AM, Hana Jarolímová wrote:

          > Ahoj,
          > prekladam marketingovy pamflet - rozlisuji zakazniky na
          > "progressives",
          > "social climbers" a "conventionals" - progressive je na fotce "mlady
          > uspesny pred mrakodrapem", "social climber" je "mlada uspesna v
          > tmavych
          > brylich" a conventional je solidne vypadajici tatik s rodinou.
          > Mam chut nazvat tatika "tradicionalista", ale bojuji s "progressive" a
          > social climber - karierista se mi zda ponekud pejorativni. Jinak
          > kontext
          > zadny.
          > Diky za tipy a rady
          > HJ
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        • James Kirchner
          Understood. It struck me as odd in a marketing text also, because it is so negative. Jamie ... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
          Message 4 of 11 , May 19, 2006
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            Understood. It struck me as odd in a marketing text also, because it
            is so negative.

            Jamie

            On May 19, 2006, at 8:09 AM, Valerie Talacko wrote:

            > I didn't mean it was archaic - it isn't - just that it was a rather
            > old-fashioned term for marketers to be using.
            >
            > ----- Original Message -----
            > From: James Kirchner
            > To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com
            > Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 11:56 AM
            > Subject: Re: [Czechlist] Term: social climber, progressive
            >
            >
            > They're using these terms in a very strange way.
            >
            > Normally when you call someone a "progressive" it's a nice way of
            > saying he's a communist or socialist.
            >
            > A "social climber" is normally an emotionally insecure person who
            > does everything possible to raise herself from one social class to a
            > higher one. This would involve going to the "right" university to
            > marry the "right" man she doesn't love, hanging around with rich
            > friends who are jerks, almost anything, except work and education.
            > Social climber is not an archaic term in the US, as Valerie says it
            > is in the UK. Her term "aspirationals" would be understandable to
            > us, but it would sound like something an advertising righter had
            > just
            > made up on the spot.
            >
            > From the way the terms are defined, it sounds like in your text the
            > progressive is actually a Yuppie (which is almost the opposite of
            > what we call a progressive) and the social climber is a Yuppie in
            > sunglasses. The descriptions don't make any sense.
            >
            > Jamie
            >
            > On May 19, 2006, at 3:59 AM, Hana Jarolímová wrote:
            >
            > > Ahoj,
            > > prekladam marketingovy pamflet - rozlisuji zakazniky na
            > > "progressives",
            > > "social climbers" a "conventionals" - progressive je na fotce
            > "mlady
            > > uspesny pred mrakodrapem", "social climber" je "mlada uspesna v
            > > tmavych
            > > brylich" a conventional je solidne vypadajici tatik s rodinou.
            > > Mam chut nazvat tatika "tradicionalista", ale bojuji s
            > "progressive" a
            > > social climber - karierista se mi zda ponekud pejorativni. Jinak
            > > kontext
            > > zadny.
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            > > HJ
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          • Valerie Talacko
            I didn t mean it was archaic - it isn t - just that it was a rather old-fashioned term for marketers to be using. ... From: James Kirchner To:
            Message 5 of 11 , May 19, 2006
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              I didn't mean it was archaic - it isn't - just that it was a rather old-fashioned term for marketers to be using.

              ----- Original Message -----
              From: James Kirchner
              To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com
              Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 11:56 AM
              Subject: Re: [Czechlist] Term: social climber, progressive


              They're using these terms in a very strange way.

              Normally when you call someone a "progressive" it's a nice way of
              saying he's a communist or socialist.

              A "social climber" is normally an emotionally insecure person who
              does everything possible to raise herself from one social class to a
              higher one. This would involve going to the "right" university to
              marry the "right" man she doesn't love, hanging around with rich
              friends who are jerks, almost anything, except work and education.
              Social climber is not an archaic term in the US, as Valerie says it
              is in the UK. Her term "aspirationals" would be understandable to
              us, but it would sound like something an advertising righter had just
              made up on the spot.

              From the way the terms are defined, it sounds like in your text the
              progressive is actually a Yuppie (which is almost the opposite of
              what we call a progressive) and the social climber is a Yuppie in
              sunglasses. The descriptions don't make any sense.

              Jamie

              On May 19, 2006, at 3:59 AM, Hana Jarolímová wrote:

              > Ahoj,
              > prekladam marketingovy pamflet - rozlisuji zakazniky na
              > "progressives",
              > "social climbers" a "conventionals" - progressive je na fotce "mlady
              > uspesny pred mrakodrapem", "social climber" je "mlada uspesna v
              > tmavych
              > brylich" a conventional je solidne vypadajici tatik s rodinou.
              > Mam chut nazvat tatika "tradicionalista", ale bojuji s "progressive" a
              > social climber - karierista se mi zda ponekud pejorativni. Jinak
              > kontext
              > zadny.
              > Diky za tipy a rady
              > HJ
              >
              >
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            • Valerie Talacko
              Progressive is New Labour s favourite way of describing itself. ... From: James Kirchner To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 11:56 AM
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                'Progressive' is New Labour's favourite way of describing itself.

                ----- Original Message -----
                From: James Kirchner
                To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com
                Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 11:56 AM
                Subject: Re: [Czechlist] Term: social climber, progressive


                They're using these terms in a very strange way.

                Normally when you call someone a "progressive" it's a nice way of
                saying he's a communist or socialist.

                A "social climber" is normally an emotionally insecure person who
                does everything possible to raise herself from one social class to a
                higher one. This would involve going to the "right" university to
                marry the "right" man she doesn't love, hanging around with rich
                friends who are jerks, almost anything, except work and education.
                Social climber is not an archaic term in the US, as Valerie says it
                is in the UK. Her term "aspirationals" would be understandable to
                us, but it would sound like something an advertising righter had just
                made up on the spot.

                From the way the terms are defined, it sounds like in your text the
                progressive is actually a Yuppie (which is almost the opposite of
                what we call a progressive) and the social climber is a Yuppie in
                sunglasses. The descriptions don't make any sense.

                Jamie

                On May 19, 2006, at 3:59 AM, Hana Jarolímová wrote:

                > Ahoj,
                > prekladam marketingovy pamflet - rozlisuji zakazniky na
                > "progressives",
                > "social climbers" a "conventionals" - progressive je na fotce "mlady
                > uspesny pred mrakodrapem", "social climber" je "mlada uspesna v
                > tmavych
                > brylich" a conventional je solidne vypadajici tatik s rodinou.
                > Mam chut nazvat tatika "tradicionalista", ale bojuji s "progressive" a
                > social climber - karierista se mi zda ponekud pejorativni. Jinak
                > kontext
                > zadny.
                > Diky za tipy a rady
                > HJ
                >
                >
                >
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              • Valerie Talacko
                Just to clarify again - social climber is, of course, a current term - it was just its use in marketing literature that struck me as odd. ... From: Valerie
                Message 7 of 11 , May 19, 2006
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                  Just to clarify again - 'social climber' is, of course, a current term - it was just its use in marketing literature that struck me as odd.

                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: Valerie Talacko
                  To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 1:09 PM
                  Subject: Re: [Czechlist] Term: social climber, progressive


                  I didn't mean it was archaic - it isn't - just that it was a rather old-fashioned term for marketers to be using.

                  ----- Original Message -----
                  From: James Kirchner
                  To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com
                  Sent: Friday, May 19, 2006 11:56 AM
                  Subject: Re: [Czechlist] Term: social climber, progressive


                  They're using these terms in a very strange way.

                  Normally when you call someone a "progressive" it's a nice way of
                  saying he's a communist or socialist.

                  A "social climber" is normally an emotionally insecure person who
                  does everything possible to raise herself from one social class to a
                  higher one. This would involve going to the "right" university to
                  marry the "right" man she doesn't love, hanging around with rich
                  friends who are jerks, almost anything, except work and education.
                  Social climber is not an archaic term in the US, as Valerie says it
                  is in the UK. Her term "aspirationals" would be understandable to
                  us, but it would sound like something an advertising righter had just
                  made up on the spot.

                  From the way the terms are defined, it sounds like in your text the
                  progressive is actually a Yuppie (which is almost the opposite of
                  what we call a progressive) and the social climber is a Yuppie in
                  sunglasses. The descriptions don't make any sense.

                  Jamie

                  On May 19, 2006, at 3:59 AM, Hana Jarolímová wrote:

                  > Ahoj,
                  > prekladam marketingovy pamflet - rozlisuji zakazniky na
                  > "progressives",
                  > "social climbers" a "conventionals" - progressive je na fotce "mlady
                  > uspesny pred mrakodrapem", "social climber" je "mlada uspesna v
                  > tmavych
                  > brylich" a conventional je solidne vypadajici tatik s rodinou.
                  > Mam chut nazvat tatika "tradicionalista", ale bojuji s "progressive" a
                  > social climber - karierista se mi zda ponekud pejorativni. Jinak
                  > kontext
                  > zadny.
                  > Diky za tipy a rady
                  > HJ
                  >
                  >
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                • James Kirchner
                  A little weekend conundrum for you folks. Today I was printing out a bunch of personal documents to translate for some Czech woman somewhere, and it brought to
                  Message 8 of 11 , May 20, 2006
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                    A little weekend conundrum for you folks.

                    Today I was printing out a bunch of personal documents to translate
                    for some Czech woman somewhere, and it brought to mind a sociological
                    question someone should find out the answer to: Why do nearly all
                    Czech women who marry Americans seem to end up having Anglo-Saxon
                    surnames? Since most Americans don't have Anglo-Saxon surnames (as
                    far as I know), this seems really odd. Even in Detroit, you run into
                    women with names like Jitka Roberts, Milena Plumber or Jarmila
                    Williams, but you will never meet Jitka Bommarito, Milena
                    Wyszniewski, Lenka Schoenherr or Jarmila Vankampen, even though in
                    this state the statistical probability would probably favor the
                    latter combinations. For some reason it makes me think of the many
                    times people in the Czech Republic looked at documents I'd filled out
                    and said, "Kirchner, to neni zadne americke jmeno, ze jo?" What's an
                    American name?

                    On the other hand, you rarely find a Japanese woman married to a
                    Detroiter who does not have a German surname.

                    Sociologists should get on this issue. :-)

                    Any ideas?

                    Jamie
                  • Hana Jarolímová
                    Valerie and Jamie, thanks a lot for your comments. br Hana
                    Message 9 of 11 , May 21, 2006
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                      Valerie and Jamie, thanks a lot for your comments.
                      br
                      Hana
                    • Valerie Talacko
                      I m not sure that mine would have actually been very helpful in terms of finding answers! What did you decide to go for in the end? Valerie ... From: Hana
                      Message 10 of 11 , May 21, 2006
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                        I'm not sure that mine would have actually been very helpful in terms of finding answers!

                        What did you decide to go for in the end?

                        Valerie
                        ----- Original Message -----
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                        To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com
                        Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2006 6:46 PM
                        Subject: Re: [Czechlist] Term: social climber, progressive


                        Valerie and Jamie, thanks a lot for your comments.
                        br
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                      • Hana Jarolímová
                        progresivista, karierista, tradicionalista ... H I m not sure that mine would have actually been very helpful in terms of finding answers! What did you decide
                        Message 11 of 11 , May 21, 2006
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                          progresivista, karierista, tradicionalista ...

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                          I'm not sure that mine would have actually been very helpful in terms of finding answers!

                          What did you decide to go for in the end?

                          Valerie
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