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  • Michael Trittipo
    ... Exactly. The meaning of recall in both instances is removal from the market -- i.e., stopping the selling of the product, making retailers take unsold
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      James Kirchner wrote:
      >> "recall liability
      >>insurance". Este jedna pomocna veta-
      >> "The recall of potentially dangerous products is increasingly
      >>becoming a manufacturer´s liability. "
      >
      > However, sometimes this is done not for the purpose of repairs, but
      > to get the dangerous product off the market.

      Exactly. The meaning of "recall" in both instances is
      "removal from the market" -- i.e., stopping the selling
      of the product, making retailers take unsold product
      off of the shelves, and inviting customers to return
      any product that they bought, because it's dangerous or
      defective in some way. Insurance for recall liability
      would be insurance that will pay the cost of stopping
      the selling, the cost of transporting all the product
      back to the factory or to someplace else where it can
      be destroyed or dealt with, the cost of managing
      refunds to customers for the product that they're
      returning, etc.
    • Michael Trittipo
      ... Maybe it would be helpful to add that I was on a team of lawyers in charge of handling a product recall: our client made and sold, among other things, ice
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        Michael Trittipo wrote:
        > James Kirchner wrote:
        > Exactly. The meaning of "recall" in both instances is
        > "removal from the market" -- i.e., stopping the selling
        > of the product, making retailers take unsold product
        > off of the shelves, . . .

        Maybe it would be helpful to add that I was on a team
        of lawyers in charge of handling a product recall: our
        client made and sold, among other things, ice cream;
        and some containers contained Listeria monocytogenes,
        which was allegedly the cause of one customer's death
        by meningitis. It costs a lot to get unsold product
        back off the shelves, and to handle refund and injury
        claims.
      • Milan Condak
        Vazeni, nekteri z Vas jiste vi, ze existuje server ProZ. Je to jeden ze serveru, ktery eviduje prihlasene koncove zakazniky, prekladatelske agentury a
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          Vazeni,

          nekteri z Vas jiste vi, ze existuje server ProZ. Je to jeden ze serveru,
          ktery eviduje prihlasene koncove zakazniky, prekladatelske agentury a
          prekladatele. ProZ pouziva jazykove kody Windows, takze je mozno pouzivat
          diakritiku (coz je vyhodne u slov, ktera existuji i bez diakritiky a naopak,
          ctenar si prida diakritiku kam nema a dochazi k nedorozumeni).

          ProZ je velky server. Krome zamestnancu na nem aktivne pusobi clenove =
          (registrovani prekladatele), zadavatele zakazek a moderatori.
          Vetsina informaci je verejne pristupna vsem ctenarum.
          Kdo chce prispivat do diskuzi, radit ostatnim jak spravne prelozit nejaky
          vyraz, ucinit nabidku prace, prihlasit se jako zajemce o praci = musi se
          zdarma zaregistrovat.

          Clenstvi se deli do tri kategorii - neplacene, overene a platinove
          (placene).

          Nekteri clenove zdarma vykonavaji funkci moderatora v anglicky psane,
          tematicky zamerene skupine nebo skupine komunikujici ve svem jazyce (bez
          oboroveho cleneni) .
          Moderatori dohlizeji na diskuzni prispevky clenu s neplacenym clenstvim.
          Prispevky napsane overenymi a platinovymi cleny jsou zverejnovany bez casove
          prodlevy.

          Ceske forum vzniklo na zaklade prani Veroniky Masopusove v patek 2.12.2005.
          Forum nema moderatora a je na adrese http://www.proz.com/forum/127.
          Veronika mozna zjisti az v pondeli, ze forum vzniklo.

          Na ProZu je registrovano asi 800 prekladatelu, kteri uvadeji, ze mohou
          prekladat do cestiny, tj. mohou i psat cesky. Dalsi prekladatele z jinych
          zemi jiste oceni, ze si mohou prispevky ceskych autoru take precist na tomto
          miste.

          Prihlasim se jako moderator dne 7.12.2005, doufam, ze do te doby se nejaci
          dobrovolnici najdou.

          Kde je mozno overit identitu clena ProZu a postoupit na druhy stupen a
          usetrit praci moderatorum?
          Na setkanich s indianskym nazvem PowWow. Nejblizsi PowWow porada Helga
          Humlova dne 9.12.2005 v Praze

          http://www.proz.com/powwow/751

          Kdo se chce seznamit s minulym PowWow v Krakove, ktere bylo spojeno s
          konferenci http://www.proz.com/powwow/723
          Vlastni konference trvala dva dny http://www.proz.com/conference/
          fotografii dodal Vladimir Suda.

          Milan Condak

          (PS: Veronika Masopustova neprala pradlo)
        • James Kirchner
          ... It also costs a lot to get the word out to consumers, and to recover the company s reputation afterward. There was an interesting article in Forbes a few
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            On Dec 4, 2005, at 1:56 AM, Michael Trittipo wrote:


            > Michael Trittipo wrote:
            >
            > Maybe it would be helpful to add that I was on a team
            > of lawyers in charge of handling a product recall: our
            > client made and sold, among other things, ice cream;
            > and some containers contained Listeria monocytogenes,
            > which was allegedly the cause of one customer's death
            > by meningitis. It costs a lot to get unsold product
            > back off the shelves, and to handle refund and injury
            > claims.
            >

            It also costs a lot to get the word out to consumers, and to recover
            the company's reputation afterward.

            There was an interesting article in Forbes a few weeks ago
            (unfortunately not available online) that explained how companies
            save tens of millions of dollars by making it their policy to admit
            their mistakes and apologize. Even the court settlements wind up
            being lower.

            Jamie
          • Martin Janda
            Milan, are u sure we need yet another forum? Regardless of any needs Miss Masopustova might have.... Not to mention this one would recognize first-class
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              Milan,

              are u sure we need yet another forum? Regardless of any needs Miss
              Masopustova might have....
              Not to mention this one would recognize first-class (Platinum, i.e.
              paying), second-class (verified) and even third-class (other) members.

              Martin


              Milan Condak wrote:

              > Vazeni,
              >
              >nekteri z Vas jiste vi, ze existuje server ProZ. Je to jeden ze serveru,
              >ktery eviduje prihlasene koncove zakazniky, prekladatelske agentury a
              >prekladatele. ProZ pouziva jazykove kody Windows, takze je mozno pouzivat
              >diakritiku (coz je vyhodne u slov, ktera existuji i bez diakritiky a naopak,
              >ctenar si prida diakritiku kam nema a dochazi k nedorozumeni).
              >
              >ProZ je velky server. Krome zamestnancu na nem aktivne pusobi clenove =
              >(registrovani prekladatele), zadavatele zakazek a moderatori.
              >Vetsina informaci je verejne pristupna vsem ctenarum.
              >Kdo chce prispivat do diskuzi, radit ostatnim jak spravne prelozit nejaky
              >vyraz, ucinit nabidku prace, prihlasit se jako zajemce o praci = musi se
              >zdarma zaregistrovat.
              >
              >Clenstvi se deli do tri kategorii - neplacene, overene a platinove
              >(placene).
              >
              >Nekteri clenove zdarma vykonavaji funkci moderatora v anglicky psane,
              >tematicky zamerene skupine nebo skupine komunikujici ve svem jazyce (bez
              >oboroveho cleneni) .
              >Moderatori dohlizeji na diskuzni prispevky clenu s neplacenym clenstvim.
              >Prispevky napsane overenymi a platinovymi cleny jsou zverejnovany bez casove
              >prodlevy.
              >
              >Ceske forum vzniklo na zaklade prani Veroniky Masopusove v patek 2.12.2005.
              >Forum nema moderatora a je na adrese http://www.proz.com/forum/127.
              >Veronika mozna zjisti az v pondeli, ze forum vzniklo.
              >
              >Na ProZu je registrovano asi 800 prekladatelu, kteri uvadeji, ze mohou
              >prekladat do cestiny, tj. mohou i psat cesky. Dalsi prekladatele z jinych
              >zemi jiste oceni, ze si mohou prispevky ceskych autoru take precist na tomto
              >miste.
              >
              >Prihlasim se jako moderator dne 7.12.2005, doufam, ze do te doby se nejaci
              >dobrovolnici najdou.
              >
              >Kde je mozno overit identitu clena ProZu a postoupit na druhy stupen a
              >usetrit praci moderatorum?
              >Na setkanich s indianskym nazvem PowWow. Nejblizsi PowWow porada Helga
              >Humlova dne 9.12.2005 v Praze
              >
              >http://www.proz.com/powwow/751
              >
              >Kdo se chce seznamit s minulym PowWow v Krakove, ktere bylo spojeno s
              >konferenci http://www.proz.com/powwow/723
              >Vlastni konference trvala dva dny http://www.proz.com/conference/
              >fotografii dodal Vladimir Suda.
              >
              >Milan Condak
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              >(PS: Veronika Masopustova neprala pradlo)
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            • Terminus Technicus
              Perhaps Milan needs it to push his (pardon me, that other guy s) CAT products :) M ... From: Martin Janda To:
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                Perhaps Milan needs it to push his (pardon me, that other guy's) CAT
                products :)

                M


                ----- Original Message -----
                From: "Martin Janda" <mjanda@...>
                To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
                Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 10:11 PM
                Subject: Re: [Czechlist] Ceske forum na ProZ (zaslano do vice Yahoo skupin,
                duplikaty smazte)


                > Milan,
                >
                > are u sure we need yet another forum? Regardless of any needs Miss
                > Masopustova might have....
                > Not to mention this one would recognize first-class (Platinum, i.e.
                > paying), second-class (verified) and even third-class (other) members.
                >
                > Martin
                >
                >
                > Milan Condak wrote:
                >
                > > Vazeni,
                > >
                > >nekteri z Vas jiste vi, ze existuje server ProZ. Je to jeden ze serveru,
                > >ktery eviduje prihlasene koncove zakazniky, prekladatelske agentury a
                > >prekladatele. ProZ pouziva jazykove kody Windows, takze je mozno pouzivat
                > >diakritiku (coz je vyhodne u slov, ktera existuji i bez diakritiky a
                naopak,
                > >ctenar si prida diakritiku kam nema a dochazi k nedorozumeni).
                > >
                > >ProZ je velky server. Krome zamestnancu na nem aktivne pusobi clenove =
                > >(registrovani prekladatele), zadavatele zakazek a moderatori.
                > >Vetsina informaci je verejne pristupna vsem ctenarum.
                > >Kdo chce prispivat do diskuzi, radit ostatnim jak spravne prelozit nejaky
                > >vyraz, ucinit nabidku prace, prihlasit se jako zajemce o praci = musi se
                > >zdarma zaregistrovat.
                > >
                > >Clenstvi se deli do tri kategorii - neplacene, overene a platinove
                > >(placene).
                > >
                > >Nekteri clenove zdarma vykonavaji funkci moderatora v anglicky psane,
                > >tematicky zamerene skupine nebo skupine komunikujici ve svem jazyce (bez
                > >oboroveho cleneni) .
                > >Moderatori dohlizeji na diskuzni prispevky clenu s neplacenym clenstvim.
                > >Prispevky napsane overenymi a platinovymi cleny jsou zverejnovany bez
                casove
                > >prodlevy.
                > >
                > >Ceske forum vzniklo na zaklade prani Veroniky Masopusove v patek
                2.12.2005.
                > >Forum nema moderatora a je na adrese http://www.proz.com/forum/127.
                > >Veronika mozna zjisti az v pondeli, ze forum vzniklo.
                > >
                > >Na ProZu je registrovano asi 800 prekladatelu, kteri uvadeji, ze mohou
                > >prekladat do cestiny, tj. mohou i psat cesky. Dalsi prekladatele z jinych
                > >zemi jiste oceni, ze si mohou prispevky ceskych autoru take precist na
                tomto
                > >miste.
                > >
                > >Prihlasim se jako moderator dne 7.12.2005, doufam, ze do te doby se
                nejaci
                > >dobrovolnici najdou.
                > >
                > >Kde je mozno overit identitu clena ProZu a postoupit na druhy stupen a
                > >usetrit praci moderatorum?
                > >Na setkanich s indianskym nazvem PowWow. Nejblizsi PowWow porada Helga
                > >Humlova dne 9.12.2005 v Praze
                > >
                > >http://www.proz.com/powwow/751
                > >
                > >Kdo se chce seznamit s minulym PowWow v Krakove, ktere bylo spojeno s
                > >konferenci http://www.proz.com/powwow/723
                > >Vlastni konference trvala dva dny http://www.proz.com/conference/
                > >fotografii dodal Vladimir Suda.
                > >
                > >Milan Condak
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                > >(PS: Veronika Masopustova neprala pradlo)
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                > >http://www.bohemica.com/czechtranslation
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                > >http://www.googleguide.com/advanced_operators_reference.html
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              • Milan Condak
                Kdyz je na ProZu albanstina, makedonstina, danstina, proc ne cestina? Na ProZu jsou prodejni akce CATu, kdy je mozno nakupovat se slevou. Akce jsou veci
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                  Kdyz je na ProZu albanstina, makedonstina, danstina, proc ne cestina?
                  Na ProZu jsou prodejni akce CATu, kdy je mozno nakupovat se slevou. Akce
                  jsou veci vyrobce a ProZu. Nijak se mne netykaji.

                  Pochopitelne nenavrhuji opustit Czechlist a dalsi nase diskuzni skupiny.
                  Existuji lide, kteri maji problem se na Yaoo zaregistrovat a jsou proto bud
                  registrovani jinde,
                  nebo pouze ctou prispevky jinych prekladatelu na ProZu.Nyni mohou prispevky
                  i v cestine. Propagaci cestiny to jiste prospeje.

                  To je vse. Milan

                  -----Original Message-----
                  From: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Czechlist@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                  Of Terminus Technicus
                  Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 10:24 PM
                  To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com
                  Subject: Re: [Czechlist] Ceske forum na ProZ (zaslano do vice Yahoo skupin,
                  duplikaty smazte)

                  Perhaps Milan needs it to push his (pardon me, that other guy's) CAT
                  products :)

                  M
                • Martin Janda
                  Milane, Nemuzu a ani nechci spekulovat nad motivy, ktere tve jednani vedou. Jen nekolik poznamek ke tvym duvodum: 1. Pokud chce nekdo na proZ nakupovat kocky
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                    Milane,

                    Nemuzu a ani nechci spekulovat nad motivy, ktere tve jednani vedou. Jen
                    nekolik poznamek ke tvym duvodum:

                    1. Pokud chce nekdo na proZ nakupovat kocky ve skupinach se slevou, muze
                    tak bez problemu cinit i bez ceske skupiny.
                    2. Na seznamu stahovanych skupin mam uz asi tri ceske (Czechlist,
                    CzechEd, Preklady a donedavna jsem tam mel i Svepomoc). Docela mi to
                    staci.
                    3. Pokud nekdo nerozumi anglicky, existuje tu stale skupina Preklady a v
                    ni spousta ochotnych lidi.
                    4. Propagaci cestiny jakozto v celosvetovem meritku nepatrneho jazyka
                    tva nova a jeste nepatrnejsi skupina nepomuze ani za mak.
                    4. Pokud si vzpominam, Melvyn velmi ochotne provedl registraci do
                    Czechlistu kazdemu, kdo o to stal. Stacilo mu zamailovat.
                    5. Dost dobre nedokazu stravit koncepci skupiny, kde se prispevky
                    nekterych (zejmena placenych) clenu objevi hned, zatimco prispevky
                    jinych az za nekolik hodin, a jejimz hlavnim ucelem je, aby donutila co
                    nejvic lidi zaplatit clensky obolus Mr. Henrymu a jeho ProZ.
                    6. Tise kroutim hlavou nad tim, co vsechno se a jak rychle semele, kdyz
                    jedna studentka na samem prahu prekladatelske kariery prohlasi, ze chce
                    nove forum... Vi ona vubec o tom, ze uz jich nekolik existuje?

                    Martin


                    Milan Condak wrote:

                    > Kdyz je na ProZu albanstina, makedonstina, danstina, proc ne cestina?
                    > Na ProZu jsou prodejni akce CATu, kdy je mozno nakupovat se slevou. Akce
                    >jsou veci vyrobce a ProZu. Nijak se mne netykaji.
                    >
                    > Pochopitelne nenavrhuji opustit Czechlist a dalsi nase diskuzni skupiny.
                    >Existuji lide, kteri maji problem se na Yaoo zaregistrovat a jsou proto bud
                    >registrovani jinde,
                    > nebo pouze ctou prispevky jinych prekladatelu na ProZu.Nyni mohou prispevky
                    >i v cestine. Propagaci cestiny to jiste prospeje.
                    >
                    >To je vse. Milan
                    >
                    >-----Original Message-----
                    >From: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Czechlist@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                    >Of Terminus Technicus
                    >Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 10:24 PM
                    >To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com
                    >Subject: Re: [Czechlist] Ceske forum na ProZ (zaslano do vice Yahoo skupin,
                    >duplikaty smazte)
                    >
                    >Perhaps Milan needs it to push his (pardon me, that other guy's) CAT
                    >products :)
                    >
                    >M
                    >
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                    >
                  • jsyeaton
                    ... Minor correction: other guys - he s supporting MetaTexis now, too. It s a nice program, better engineering than Wordfast (IMHO), or maybe it just runs
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                      --- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com, "Terminus Technicus"
                      <czechlist@t...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Perhaps Milan needs it to push his (pardon me, that other guy's) CAT
                      > products :)
                      >
                      > M
                      >
                      Minor correction: other "guys'" - he's supporting MetaTexis now, too.
                      It's a nice program, better engineering than Wordfast (IMHO), or
                      maybe it just runs more smoothly because it's at a lower level (COM as
                      opposed to macros), but it locks your TM up in Access in some code you
                      can't even read in Access (as of last year this time).

                      Judy
                      >
                      > ----- Original Message -----
                      > From: "Martin Janda" <mjanda@g...>
                      > To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
                      > Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 10:11 PM
                      > Subject: Re: [Czechlist] Ceske forum na ProZ (zaslano do vice Yahoo
                      skupin,
                      > duplikaty smazte)
                      >
                      >
                      > > Milan,
                      > >
                      > > are u sure we need yet another forum? Regardless of any needs Miss
                      > > Masopustova might have....
                      > > Not to mention this one would recognize first-class (Platinum, i.e.
                      > > paying), second-class (verified) and even third-class (other) members.
                      > >
                      > > Martin
                      > >
                      > >
                      > > Milan Condak wrote:
                      > >
                      > > > Vazeni,
                      > > >
                      > > >nekteri z Vas jiste vi, ze existuje server ProZ. Je to jeden ze
                      serveru,
                      > > >ktery eviduje prihlasene koncove zakazniky, prekladatelske agentury a
                      > > >prekladatele. ProZ pouziva jazykove kody Windows, takze je mozno
                      pouzivat
                      > > >diakritiku (coz je vyhodne u slov, ktera existuji i bez diakritiky a
                      > naopak,
                      > > >ctenar si prida diakritiku kam nema a dochazi k nedorozumeni).
                      > > >
                      > > >ProZ je velky server. Krome zamestnancu na nem aktivne pusobi
                      clenove =
                      > > >(registrovani prekladatele), zadavatele zakazek a moderatori.
                      > > >Vetsina informaci je verejne pristupna vsem ctenarum.
                      > > >Kdo chce prispivat do diskuzi, radit ostatnim jak spravne
                      prelozit nejaky
                      > > >vyraz, ucinit nabidku prace, prihlasit se jako zajemce o praci =
                      musi se
                      > > >zdarma zaregistrovat.
                      > > >
                      > > >Clenstvi se deli do tri kategorii - neplacene, overene a platinove
                      > > >(placene).
                      > > >
                      > > >Nekteri clenove zdarma vykonavaji funkci moderatora v anglicky psane,
                      > > >tematicky zamerene skupine nebo skupine komunikujici ve svem
                      jazyce (bez
                      > > >oboroveho cleneni) .
                      > > >Moderatori dohlizeji na diskuzni prispevky clenu s neplacenym
                      clenstvim.
                      > > >Prispevky napsane overenymi a platinovymi cleny jsou zverejnovany bez
                      > casove
                      > > >prodlevy.
                      > > >
                      > > >Ceske forum vzniklo na zaklade prani Veroniky Masopusove v patek
                      > 2.12.2005.
                      > > >Forum nema moderatora a je na adrese http://www.proz.com/forum/127.
                      > > >Veronika mozna zjisti az v pondeli, ze forum vzniklo.
                      > > >
                      > > >Na ProZu je registrovano asi 800 prekladatelu, kteri uvadeji, ze
                      mohou
                      > > >prekladat do cestiny, tj. mohou i psat cesky. Dalsi prekladatele
                      z jinych
                      > > >zemi jiste oceni, ze si mohou prispevky ceskych autoru take
                      precist na
                      > tomto
                      > > >miste.
                      > > >
                      > > >Prihlasim se jako moderator dne 7.12.2005, doufam, ze do te doby se
                      > nejaci
                      > > >dobrovolnici najdou.
                      > > >
                      > > >Kde je mozno overit identitu clena ProZu a postoupit na druhy
                      stupen a
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                    • jsyeaton
                      Hi Michael, This doesn t have anything to do with product recall, really, I just wanted to let you know I came across your review of Marta Chrom(a ) s CZ EN
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                        Hi Michael, This doesn't have anything to do with product recall,
                        really, I just wanted to let you know I came across your review of
                        Marta Chrom(a')'s CZ>EN legal dictionary in the Translation Journal
                        this weekend. (I checked here, but there didn't seem to be any
                        discussion of either.) I really liked the review - very informative.
                        I'll have to see if I can find that other book of hers, the one about
                        dictionary-writing, that you actually spent most of the space discussing.

                        I've been using the dictionary the past few days and still have one
                        question: pr^edme^t smlouvy. Is there any difference between the
                        "subject-matter of a contract" and the "object of a contract"? She
                        uses the former - is it UK as opposed to US? Google has about twice as
                        many "objects" as "subjects."

                        Judy



                        Czechlist@yahoogroups.com, Michael Trittipo <tritt002@t...> wrote:
                        >
                        > Michael Trittipo wrote:
                        > > James Kirchner wrote:
                        > > Exactly. The meaning of "recall" in both instances is
                        > > "removal from the market" -- i.e., stopping the selling
                        > > of the product, making retailers take unsold product
                        > > off of the shelves, . . .
                        >
                        > Maybe it would be helpful to add that I was on a team
                        > of lawyers in charge of handling a product recall: our
                        > client made and sold, among other things, ice cream;
                        > and some containers contained Listeria monocytogenes,
                        > which was allegedly the cause of one customer's death
                        > by meningitis. It costs a lot to get unsold product
                        > back off the shelves, and to handle refund and injury
                        > claims.
                        >
                      • Zuzana Kocicková
                        Jardo, plne souhlasim s tebou, pokud jde o to, ze jsem momentalni Milanovu snaha nepohopila. Na druhou stranu, myslim, ze i on nekdy prijde se zajimavym
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                          Jardo,
                          plne souhlasim s tebou, pokud jde o to, ze jsem momentalni Milanovu snaha
                          nepohopila.

                          Na druhou stranu, myslim, ze i on nekdy prijde se zajimavym odkazem ci radou
                          a jindy je proste"svuj":-)

                          Spis by me zajimalo, jestli platinum clenstvi na proz. skutecne prinasi
                          uzitek v podobe trvale zasobarny prace a pripadne jine pomoci pro
                          prekladatele do cestiny.

                          Zuzana


                          ----- Original Message -----
                          From: "Martin Janda" <mjanda@...>
                          To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
                          Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 9:03 AM
                          Subject: Re: [Czechlist] Ceske forum na ProZ (zaslano do vice Yahoo skupin,
                          duplikaty smazte)


                          > Milane,
                          >
                          > Nemuzu a ani nechci spekulovat nad motivy, ktere tve jednani vedou. Jen
                          > nekolik poznamek ke tvym duvodum:
                          >
                          > 1. Pokud chce nekdo na proZ nakupovat kocky ve skupinach se slevou, muze
                          > tak bez problemu cinit i bez ceske skupiny.
                          > 2. Na seznamu stahovanych skupin mam uz asi tri ceske (Czechlist,
                          > CzechEd, Preklady a donedavna jsem tam mel i Svepomoc). Docela mi to
                          > staci.
                          > 3. Pokud nekdo nerozumi anglicky, existuje tu stale skupina Preklady a v
                          > ni spousta ochotnych lidi.
                          > 4. Propagaci cestiny jakozto v celosvetovem meritku nepatrneho jazyka
                          > tva nova a jeste nepatrnejsi skupina nepomuze ani za mak.
                          > 4. Pokud si vzpominam, Melvyn velmi ochotne provedl registraci do
                          > Czechlistu kazdemu, kdo o to stal. Stacilo mu zamailovat.
                          > 5. Dost dobre nedokazu stravit koncepci skupiny, kde se prispevky
                          > nekterych (zejmena placenych) clenu objevi hned, zatimco prispevky
                          > jinych az za nekolik hodin, a jejimz hlavnim ucelem je, aby donutila co
                          > nejvic lidi zaplatit clensky obolus Mr. Henrymu a jeho ProZ.
                          > 6. Tise kroutim hlavou nad tim, co vsechno se a jak rychle semele, kdyz
                          > jedna studentka na samem prahu prekladatelske kariery prohlasi, ze chce
                          > nove forum... Vi ona vubec o tom, ze uz jich nekolik existuje?
                          >
                          > Martin
                          >
                          >
                          > Milan Condak wrote:
                          >
                          > > Kdyz je na ProZu albanstina, makedonstina, danstina, proc ne cestina?
                          > > Na ProZu jsou prodejni akce CATu, kdy je mozno nakupovat se slevou. Akce
                          > >jsou veci vyrobce a ProZu. Nijak se mne netykaji.
                          > >
                          > > Pochopitelne nenavrhuji opustit Czechlist a dalsi nase diskuzni skupiny.
                          > >Existuji lide, kteri maji problem se na Yaoo zaregistrovat a jsou proto
                          bud
                          > >registrovani jinde,
                          > > nebo pouze ctou prispevky jinych prekladatelu na ProZu.Nyni mohou
                          prispevky
                          > >i v cestine. Propagaci cestiny to jiste prospeje.
                          > >
                          > >To je vse. Milan
                          > >
                          > >-----Original Message-----
                          > >From: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Czechlist@yahoogroups.com] On
                          Behalf
                          > >Of Terminus Technicus
                          > >Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 10:24 PM
                          > >To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com
                          > >Subject: Re: [Czechlist] Ceske forum na ProZ (zaslano do vice Yahoo
                          skupin,
                          > >duplikaty smazte)
                          > >
                          > >Perhaps Milan needs it to push his (pardon me, that other guy's) CAT
                          > >products :)
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                        • Petr Veselý
                          ... To urcite ne. Ja uvazuju takto: pocet dzobu do cj je tam dlouhodobe relativne staly a relativne maly a jen cast z nich je omezena na platinare, navic se
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                            > Spis by me zajimalo, jestli platinum clenstvi na proz. skutecne prinasi
                            > uzitek v podobe trvale zasobarny prace a pripadne jine pomoci pro
                            > prekladatele do cestiny.
                            >
                            To urcite ne.

                            Ja uvazuju takto:

                            pocet dzobu do cj je tam dlouhodobe relativne staly a relativne maly a jen
                            cast z nich je omezena na platinare, navic se vzrustajicim poctem platinaru
                            klesa sance takovy dzob uchvatit a tudiz i duvod platit relativne vysoke
                            clenstvi. Jine vyznamne vyhody platinari oproti neplatinarum nemaji, AFAIK.

                            Petr
                          • Michael Trittipo
                            ... Thanks. It was a fun one to review. The hardest thing was to try to keep the review limited in scope to just the book _about_ the making of the
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                              jsyeaton wrote:
                              > discussion of either.) I really liked the review - very informative.
                              > I'll have to see if I can find that other book of hers, the one about
                              > dictionary-writing, that you actually spent most of the space discussing.

                              Thanks. It was a fun one to review. The hardest thing
                              was to try to keep the review limited in scope to just
                              the book _about_ the making of the dictionary, and
                              avoid reviewing the dictionary itself.

                              > I've been using the dictionary the past few days and still have one
                              > question: pr^edme^t smlouvy. Is there any difference between the
                              > "subject-matter of a contract" and the "object of a contract"? She
                              > uses the former - is it UK as opposed to US? Google has about twice as
                              > many "objects" as "subjects."

                              It may possibly be UK vs. US, but we'd have to check
                              with a UK lawyer to know. From a U.S. standpoint, I
                              agree with her choice of "subject matter of the
                              contract." To me, "object of the contract" means more
                              the "purpose of the contract," i.e., what motivated the
                              contract, rather than what it is about (its subject
                              matter).

                              If I do a Google on exact phrases "object of the
                              contract" and "subject matter of the contract" _and_ in
                              each case add the URL qualifier site:.edu to limit it
                              to US cites, the results are 487 for subject matter and
                              110 for object, i.e., 4-to-1 for Chromá's choice.
                              There are 242 pages that use both exact phrases on the
                              same page, and a look at three or four of them tracks
                              at first glance with the distinction that I just
                              indicated I'd be inclined to make. For example, the
                              subject matter of a contract for sale of goods would be
                              the goods; but the object (i.e., purpose, motivation)
                              of that contract might be to avoid estate tax.

                              Using a site restriction of site:.uk makes for a
                              lopsided proportion the other way, but I didn't look at
                              the pages to develop any further ideas. That's where
                              having a UK lawyer or two to ask would help.

                              The bottom line is that I think "subject matter" is a
                              good translation for "předmět" and I'd probably think
                              of "object" as being more like a contract's cíl or
                              záměr. I'd have to look more closely at the UK hits,
                              and check out some real-life court decisions on Westlaw
                              or the like with exact or close phrases, to have more
                              objective evidence than this. But if it helps you,
                              that's my first take on it.
                            • jsyeaton
                              Sometimes it helps just to hear that it s not obvious. Or maybe I should have mentioned that this is just the standard heading in every contract? Here s my
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                                Sometimes it helps just to hear that it's not obvious. Or maybe I
                                should have mentioned that this is just the standard heading in every
                                contract?

                                Here's my example: "Clanek II. Predment smlouvy. Predmetem teto
                                smlouvy je vyplnovani CRF pro klinickou studii..." After thinking
                                about it for a while I realized I didn't have any idea whether this
                                was more a subject (after all, it's what the contract was about) or
                                the object (of the actions to be taken by the parties). So on the
                                basis of getting more hits for examples of contracts (no site
                                restriction) I went with "object." On the other hand... You must have
                                drawn up a zillion similar documents - what would you say without
                                checking with Google?

                                Judy


                                -- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com, Michael Trittipo <tritt002@t...> wrote:
                                >
                                > jsyeaton wrote:
                                > > discussion of either.) I really liked the review - very informative.
                                > > I'll have to see if I can find that other book of hers, the one about
                                > > dictionary-writing, that you actually spent most of the space
                                discussing.
                                >
                                > Thanks. It was a fun one to review. The hardest thing
                                > was to try to keep the review limited in scope to just
                                > the book _about_ the making of the dictionary, and
                                > avoid reviewing the dictionary itself.
                                >
                                > > I've been using the dictionary the past few days and still have one
                                > > question: pr^edme^t smlouvy. Is there any difference between the
                                > > "subject-matter of a contract" and the "object of a contract"? She
                                > > uses the former - is it UK as opposed to US? Google has about twice as
                                > > many "objects" as "subjects."
                                >
                                > It may possibly be UK vs. US, but we'd have to check
                                > with a UK lawyer to know. From a U.S. standpoint, I
                                > agree with her choice of "subject matter of the
                                > contract." To me, "object of the contract" means more
                                > the "purpose of the contract," i.e., what motivated the
                                > contract, rather than what it is about (its subject
                                > matter).
                                >
                                > If I do a Google on exact phrases "object of the
                                > contract" and "subject matter of the contract" _and_ in
                                > each case add the URL qualifier site:.edu to limit it
                                > to US cites, the results are 487 for subject matter and
                                > 110 for object, i.e., 4-to-1 for Chromá's choice.
                                > There are 242 pages that use both exact phrases on the
                                > same page, and a look at three or four of them tracks
                                > at first glance with the distinction that I just
                                > indicated I'd be inclined to make. For example, the
                                > subject matter of a contract for sale of goods would be
                                > the goods; but the object (i.e., purpose, motivation)
                                > of that contract might be to avoid estate tax.
                                >
                                > Using a site restriction of site:.uk makes for a
                                > lopsided proportion the other way, but I didn't look at
                                > the pages to develop any further ideas. That's where
                                > having a UK lawyer or two to ask would help.
                                >
                                > The bottom line is that I think "subject matter" is a
                                > good translation for "předmět" and I'd probably think
                                > of "object" as being more like a contract's cíl or
                                > záměr. I'd have to look more closely at the UK hits,
                                > and check out some real-life court decisions on Westlaw
                                > or the like with exact or close phrases, to have more
                                > objective evidence than this. But if it helps you,
                                > that's my first take on it.
                                >
                              • Valerie Talacko
                                The stress is on the first syllable - the e is a schwa verging on an i. Interesting, because Burnett - as in Leo or Frances Hodgson - has the stress on the
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                                  The stress is on the first syllable - the e is a schwa verging on an i.

                                  Interesting, because Burnett - as in Leo or Frances Hodgson - has the stress on the second syllable.

                                  Valerie
                                  ----- Original Message -----
                                  From: Jirka Bolech
                                  To: Smartgroups ; Yahoogroups
                                  Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 5:19 PM
                                  Subject: [Czechlist] PRONUNCIATION: Willett


                                  Hi there,

                                  how do you pronounce 'Willett'? I need it as the name of a company, but I
                                  suppose it's a last name pronounced the same way. I'm not sure about the
                                  second syllable. Is there /i/ or /e/. Also, is the stress at the beginning?
                                  Prompt response appreciated.

                                  Jirka Bolech



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                                • Michael
                                  ... Without checking with Google, I d write subject matter, myself. That s what comes naturally to my lips or pen, and what I hear and read. I added the
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                                    --- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com, "jsyeaton" <jsyeaton@y...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > Here's my example: "Clanek II. Predment smlouvy. Predmetem teto
                                    > smlouvy je vyplnovani CRF pro klinickou studii..." . . .
                                    > . . . what would you say without checking with Google?

                                    Without checking with Google, I'd write "subject matter," myself.
                                    That's what comes naturally to my lips or pen, and what I hear and
                                    read. I added the Google results only to provide some objective
                                    benchmark, so as not to ask anyone to rely on my mere ipse dixit.

                                    About a product "recall" I didn't add any Google results, because I
                                    knew 100% without room for error what it means to all U.S. lawyers.
                                    About "subject matter/object," I had to recognize the possibility of
                                    an idiolect or a Minnesota dialect vs., maybe, a Louisiana or Virginia
                                    one, etc., and thus the desirability of an objective check.

                                    Ex cathedrally or ex Googley yours,
                                    from frozen Minnesota (-12C last night
                                    and the Mississippi is frozen over)
                                  • Jirka Bolech
                                    Hi there, how do you pronounce Willett ? I need it as the name of a company, but I suppose it s a last name pronounced the same way. I m not sure about the
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                                      Hi there,

                                      how do you pronounce 'Willett'? I need it as the name of a company, but I
                                      suppose it's a last name pronounced the same way. I'm not sure about the
                                      second syllable. Is there /i/ or /e/. Also, is the stress at the beginning?
                                      Prompt response appreciated.

                                      Jirka Bolech
                                    • Jirka Bolech
                                      Thanks a bunch, Valerie. This was quick... Jirka Bolech
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                                        Thanks a bunch, Valerie. This was quick...

                                        Jirka Bolech
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