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  • Jarda
    Ahoj, Andreo! Ja myslim, ze to znamena stazeni vyrobku z trhu , ale uplne jisty si nejsem. S pozdravem, Jarda ... From: andrea kleinova
    Message 1 of 28 , Dec 2, 2005
      Ahoj, Andreo!
      Ja myslim, ze to znamena "stazeni vyrobku z trhu", ale uplne jisty si
      nejsem.
      S pozdravem,
      Jarda

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      From: "andrea kleinova" <andreakleinova@...>
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      Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 11:04 AM
      Subject: [Czechlist] otazka poistenie


      Ahojte,

      viete mi niekto poradit s terminom "recall". Ide o text z poistovnictva a
      poistenie zodpovednosti "recall liability insurance". Este jedna pomocna
      veta-
      "The recall of potentially dangerous products is increasingly becoming a
      manufacturer´s liability. "

      Myslim si, ze ide o zbavovanie sa nebezpecneho odpadu, ale neviem presny
      vyraz.

      Dakujem vopred za pomoc.

      Andrea


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    • andrea kleinova
      mozno ta likvidacia by bola dobra, ja potrebujem co najkratsi vyraz A Martin Janda wrote: Rekl bych pojisteni nakladu na stazeni
      Message 2 of 28 , Dec 2, 2005
        mozno ta likvidacia by bola dobra, ja potrebujem co najkratsi vyraz
        A

        Martin Janda <mjanda@...> wrote:
        Rekl bych "pojisteni nakladu na stazeni pripadne nebezpecneho vyrobku z
        obehu". Ale je to dlouhe...
        M

        Jan Culka wrote:

        >Nie je to skor "zpatny odber", mozno aj likvidacia?
        >Honza
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        >----- Original Message -----
        >From: "andrea kleinova" <andreakleinova@...>
        >To: <czechlist@yahoogroups.com>; <jtp_obecne@yahoogroups.com>
        >Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 11:04 AM
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        >Ahojte,
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        > viete mi niekto poradit s terminom "recall". Ide o text z poistovnictva a
        >poistenie zodpovednosti "recall liability insurance". Este jedna pomocna
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        > "The recall of potentially dangerous products is increasingly becoming a
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        > Dakujem vopred za pomoc.
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      • Milan Condak
        Microsoft preklada recall jako odvolani (zpravy apod.) http://www.condak.net/found/f_recall.htm U zbozi jsem slysel, je ze trhu stazeno . Muze byt vyrobci
        Message 3 of 28 , Dec 2, 2005
          Microsoft preklada "recall" jako odvolani (zpravy apod.)

          http://www.condak.net/found/f_recall.htm

          U zbozi jsem slysel, je ze trhu "stazeno". Muze byt vyrobci "vraceno".

          Milan

          -----Original Message-----
          From: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Czechlist@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
          Of andrea kleinova
          Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 1:04 PM
          To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com
          Subject: Re: [Czechlist] otazka poistenie

          mozno ta likvidacia by bola dobra, ja potrebujem co najkratsi vyraz
          A

          Martin Janda <mjanda@...> wrote:
          Rekl bych "pojisteni nakladu na stazeni pripadne nebezpecneho vyrobku z
          obehu". Ale je to dlouhe...
          M

          Jan Culka wrote:

          >Nie je to skor "zpatny odber", mozno aj likvidacia?
          >Honza
        • James Kirchner
          ... I can t say it in Czech or Slovak, but I think people are getting the meaning wrong. For once the Millennium dictionary is close to the ... However,
          Message 4 of 28 , Dec 2, 2005
            On Dec 2, 2005, at 5:04 AM, andrea kleinova wrote:

            > viete mi niekto poradit s terminom "recall". Ide o text z
            > poistovnictva a poistenie zodpovednosti "recall liability
            > insurance". Este jedna pomocna veta-
            > "The recall of potentially dangerous products is increasingly
            > becoming a manufacturer´s liability. "

            I can't say it in Czech or Slovak, but I think people are getting the
            meaning wrong. For once the Millennium dictionary is close to the
            truth on something:

            > výzva zákazníkům, aby se dostavili se zakoupeným produktem k
            > výrobci za účelem dodatečných oprav

            However, sometimes this is done not for the purpose of repairs, but
            to get the dangerous product off the market. For example, if someone
            finds bits of glass in a certain kind of baby food, the manufacturer
            will send out notice to the stores and to the public to bring back
            any baby food in that lot. If a part of a toy is easily swallowed by
            small children, the toy company will ask consumers and retailers to
            return it. Evidently, companies can buy insurance against this.
            Since Millennium requires a long phrase just to define "recall", I'll
            leave it to you to figure out a graceful term.

            Jamie



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          • Pavel Trusina
            Pokud je to z oblasti farmacie, zde je recall urcite stazeni z trhu . Pak by to odpovidalo pojisteni odpovednosti pri stazeni z trhu . Omlouvam se za
            Message 5 of 28 , Dec 2, 2005
              Pokud je to z oblasti farmacie, zde je "recall" urcite "stazeni z trhu".
              Pak by to odpovidalo "pojisteni odpovednosti pri stazeni z trhu".
              Omlouvam se za delku, ale v teto pokrocile dobe me nic kratsiho nenapada.
              Pavel


              ----- Original Message -----
              From: "andrea kleinova" <andreakleinova@...>
              To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 1:04 PM
              Subject: Re: [Czechlist] otazka poistenie


              mozno ta likvidacia by bola dobra, ja potrebujem co najkratsi vyraz
              A

              Martin Janda <mjanda@...> wrote:
              Rekl bych "pojisteni nakladu na stazeni pripadne nebezpecneho vyrobku z
              obehu". Ale je to dlouhe...
              M

              Jan Culka wrote:

              >Nie je to skor "zpatny odber", mozno aj likvidacia?
              >Honza
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              >----- Original Message -----
              >From: "andrea kleinova" <andreakleinova@...>
              >To: <czechlist@yahoogroups.com>; <jtp_obecne@yahoogroups.com>
              >Sent: Friday, December 02, 2005 11:04 AM
              >Subject: [Czechlist] otazka poistenie
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              >Ahojte,
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              > viete mi niekto poradit s terminom "recall". Ide o text z poistovnictva a
              >poistenie zodpovednosti "recall liability insurance". Este jedna pomocna
              >veta-
              > "The recall of potentially dangerous products is increasingly becoming a
              >manufacturer´s liability. "
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              > Myslim si, ze ide o zbavovanie sa nebezpecneho odpadu, ale neviem presny
              >vyraz.
              >
              > Dakujem vopred za pomoc.
              >
              > Andrea
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              >Freelance Translator/Prekladate¾ka
              >English - Slovak/Slovenèina - Angliètina
              >a Member of the Union of Interpreters and Translators/
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            • Milan Condak
              Kdyz sleduji v televizi kategorizaci leku, nahrany rozhovor na inzerci v casopise lekarske komory a dalsi, vypada ta to spis, ze odpovednost to nebude. Muj
              Message 6 of 28 , Dec 2, 2005
                Kdyz sleduji v televizi kategorizaci leku, nahrany rozhovor na inzerci v
                casopise lekarske komory a dalsi, vypada ta to spis, ze odpovednost to
                nebude.

                Muj nazor:
                Spolecnost doveze leky a chtela by je distrubovat prostrednictvim lekaren
                jako lek v kategorii, kdy uhradu provede zdravotni pojistovna.
                V takovem pripade si naplanuje "prodej" napr. 1000. Pokud ministerstvo
                vyhlaskou zaradi lek do kategorie se spoluucasti pacienta, proda se napr.
                500, a pokud do kategorie leku plne hrazenych pacientem, tak. napr. 50.
                Spolecnosti vznikaji distibucni naklady a mozna zbytecne naklady (doprava do
                CR - lekaren- zpet do centraly - z CR), ktere by chtela uhradit pojistkou.
                Pokud by pojistku uzaviralo ministerstvo zdravotnictvi, mohlo by jit o
                pojisteni odpovednosti.

                Milan

                -----Original Message-----
                From: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Czechlist@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                Of Pavel Trusina
                Sent: Saturday, December 03, 2005 12:25 AM
                To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: Re: [Czechlist] otazka poistenie

                Pokud je to z oblasti farmacie, zde je "recall" urcite "stazeni z trhu".
                Pak by to odpovidalo "pojisteni odpovednosti pri stazeni z trhu".
                Omlouvam se za delku, ale v teto pokrocile dobe me nic kratsiho nenapada.
                Pavel
              • Stanislav Zizka
                Ahoj, The recall of potentially dangerous products is increasingly becoming a manufacturer´s liability. Presli jste k lekum.. V pripade, ze by slo o
                Message 7 of 28 , Dec 3, 2005
                  Ahoj,


                  "The recall of potentially dangerous products is
                  increasingly becoming a manufacturer´s liability. "

                  Presli jste k lekum.. V pripade, ze by slo o
                  'elektricke a elektronicke vyrobky' (podle Waste of
                  Electrical and Electronic Equipment Directive) jednalo
                  by se o:


                  "Zpetný odber potenciálne nebezpecných výrobku ....."
                  - alias tzv. "Producer Responsibility". Viz castka,
                  kterou tusim od zari navic platime k lednickam,
                  televizim, atd - tzv. "Príspevek na historické
                  elektrozarízení" - look it up (ctrl+F) na
                  http://www.obchodni-dum.cz/help.phtml#734

                  ten nazev pojisteni se hold musi opsat..

                  Standa


                  --- andrea kleinova <andreakleinova@...> wrote:


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                  Ahojte,

                  viete mi niekto poradit s terminom "recall". Ide o
                  text z poistovnictva a poistenie zodpovednosti "recall
                  liability insurance". Este jedna pomocna veta-
                  "The recall of potentially dangerous products is
                  increasingly becoming a manufacturer´s liability. "

                  Myslim si, ze ide o zbavovanie sa nebezpecneho
                  odpadu, ale neviem presny vyraz.

                  Dakujem vopred za pomoc.

                  Andrea


                  Mgr. Andrea Kleinová
                  Freelance Translator/Prekladate¾ka
                  English - Slovak/Slovenèina - Angliètina
                  a Member of the Union of Interpreters and Translators/
                  riadny èlen Jednoty tlmoèníkov a prekladate¾ov

                  mobil: 00421905/366 610
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                • Michael Trittipo
                  ... Exactly. The meaning of recall in both instances is removal from the market -- i.e., stopping the selling of the product, making retailers take unsold
                  Message 8 of 28 , Dec 3, 2005
                    James Kirchner wrote:
                    >> "recall liability
                    >>insurance". Este jedna pomocna veta-
                    >> "The recall of potentially dangerous products is increasingly
                    >>becoming a manufacturer´s liability. "
                    >
                    > However, sometimes this is done not for the purpose of repairs, but
                    > to get the dangerous product off the market.

                    Exactly. The meaning of "recall" in both instances is
                    "removal from the market" -- i.e., stopping the selling
                    of the product, making retailers take unsold product
                    off of the shelves, and inviting customers to return
                    any product that they bought, because it's dangerous or
                    defective in some way. Insurance for recall liability
                    would be insurance that will pay the cost of stopping
                    the selling, the cost of transporting all the product
                    back to the factory or to someplace else where it can
                    be destroyed or dealt with, the cost of managing
                    refunds to customers for the product that they're
                    returning, etc.
                  • Michael Trittipo
                    ... Maybe it would be helpful to add that I was on a team of lawyers in charge of handling a product recall: our client made and sold, among other things, ice
                    Message 9 of 28 , Dec 3, 2005
                      Michael Trittipo wrote:
                      > James Kirchner wrote:
                      > Exactly. The meaning of "recall" in both instances is
                      > "removal from the market" -- i.e., stopping the selling
                      > of the product, making retailers take unsold product
                      > off of the shelves, . . .

                      Maybe it would be helpful to add that I was on a team
                      of lawyers in charge of handling a product recall: our
                      client made and sold, among other things, ice cream;
                      and some containers contained Listeria monocytogenes,
                      which was allegedly the cause of one customer's death
                      by meningitis. It costs a lot to get unsold product
                      back off the shelves, and to handle refund and injury
                      claims.
                    • Milan Condak
                      Vazeni, nekteri z Vas jiste vi, ze existuje server ProZ. Je to jeden ze serveru, ktery eviduje prihlasene koncove zakazniky, prekladatelske agentury a
                      Message 10 of 28 , Dec 4, 2005
                        Vazeni,

                        nekteri z Vas jiste vi, ze existuje server ProZ. Je to jeden ze serveru,
                        ktery eviduje prihlasene koncove zakazniky, prekladatelske agentury a
                        prekladatele. ProZ pouziva jazykove kody Windows, takze je mozno pouzivat
                        diakritiku (coz je vyhodne u slov, ktera existuji i bez diakritiky a naopak,
                        ctenar si prida diakritiku kam nema a dochazi k nedorozumeni).

                        ProZ je velky server. Krome zamestnancu na nem aktivne pusobi clenove =
                        (registrovani prekladatele), zadavatele zakazek a moderatori.
                        Vetsina informaci je verejne pristupna vsem ctenarum.
                        Kdo chce prispivat do diskuzi, radit ostatnim jak spravne prelozit nejaky
                        vyraz, ucinit nabidku prace, prihlasit se jako zajemce o praci = musi se
                        zdarma zaregistrovat.

                        Clenstvi se deli do tri kategorii - neplacene, overene a platinove
                        (placene).

                        Nekteri clenove zdarma vykonavaji funkci moderatora v anglicky psane,
                        tematicky zamerene skupine nebo skupine komunikujici ve svem jazyce (bez
                        oboroveho cleneni) .
                        Moderatori dohlizeji na diskuzni prispevky clenu s neplacenym clenstvim.
                        Prispevky napsane overenymi a platinovymi cleny jsou zverejnovany bez casove
                        prodlevy.

                        Ceske forum vzniklo na zaklade prani Veroniky Masopusove v patek 2.12.2005.
                        Forum nema moderatora a je na adrese http://www.proz.com/forum/127.
                        Veronika mozna zjisti az v pondeli, ze forum vzniklo.

                        Na ProZu je registrovano asi 800 prekladatelu, kteri uvadeji, ze mohou
                        prekladat do cestiny, tj. mohou i psat cesky. Dalsi prekladatele z jinych
                        zemi jiste oceni, ze si mohou prispevky ceskych autoru take precist na tomto
                        miste.

                        Prihlasim se jako moderator dne 7.12.2005, doufam, ze do te doby se nejaci
                        dobrovolnici najdou.

                        Kde je mozno overit identitu clena ProZu a postoupit na druhy stupen a
                        usetrit praci moderatorum?
                        Na setkanich s indianskym nazvem PowWow. Nejblizsi PowWow porada Helga
                        Humlova dne 9.12.2005 v Praze

                        http://www.proz.com/powwow/751

                        Kdo se chce seznamit s minulym PowWow v Krakove, ktere bylo spojeno s
                        konferenci http://www.proz.com/powwow/723
                        Vlastni konference trvala dva dny http://www.proz.com/conference/
                        fotografii dodal Vladimir Suda.

                        Milan Condak

                        (PS: Veronika Masopustova neprala pradlo)
                      • James Kirchner
                        ... It also costs a lot to get the word out to consumers, and to recover the company s reputation afterward. There was an interesting article in Forbes a few
                        Message 11 of 28 , Dec 4, 2005
                          On Dec 4, 2005, at 1:56 AM, Michael Trittipo wrote:


                          > Michael Trittipo wrote:
                          >
                          > Maybe it would be helpful to add that I was on a team
                          > of lawyers in charge of handling a product recall: our
                          > client made and sold, among other things, ice cream;
                          > and some containers contained Listeria monocytogenes,
                          > which was allegedly the cause of one customer's death
                          > by meningitis. It costs a lot to get unsold product
                          > back off the shelves, and to handle refund and injury
                          > claims.
                          >

                          It also costs a lot to get the word out to consumers, and to recover
                          the company's reputation afterward.

                          There was an interesting article in Forbes a few weeks ago
                          (unfortunately not available online) that explained how companies
                          save tens of millions of dollars by making it their policy to admit
                          their mistakes and apologize. Even the court settlements wind up
                          being lower.

                          Jamie
                        • Martin Janda
                          Milan, are u sure we need yet another forum? Regardless of any needs Miss Masopustova might have.... Not to mention this one would recognize first-class
                          Message 12 of 28 , Dec 4, 2005
                            Milan,

                            are u sure we need yet another forum? Regardless of any needs Miss
                            Masopustova might have....
                            Not to mention this one would recognize first-class (Platinum, i.e.
                            paying), second-class (verified) and even third-class (other) members.

                            Martin


                            Milan Condak wrote:

                            > Vazeni,
                            >
                            >nekteri z Vas jiste vi, ze existuje server ProZ. Je to jeden ze serveru,
                            >ktery eviduje prihlasene koncove zakazniky, prekladatelske agentury a
                            >prekladatele. ProZ pouziva jazykove kody Windows, takze je mozno pouzivat
                            >diakritiku (coz je vyhodne u slov, ktera existuji i bez diakritiky a naopak,
                            >ctenar si prida diakritiku kam nema a dochazi k nedorozumeni).
                            >
                            >ProZ je velky server. Krome zamestnancu na nem aktivne pusobi clenove =
                            >(registrovani prekladatele), zadavatele zakazek a moderatori.
                            >Vetsina informaci je verejne pristupna vsem ctenarum.
                            >Kdo chce prispivat do diskuzi, radit ostatnim jak spravne prelozit nejaky
                            >vyraz, ucinit nabidku prace, prihlasit se jako zajemce o praci = musi se
                            >zdarma zaregistrovat.
                            >
                            >Clenstvi se deli do tri kategorii - neplacene, overene a platinove
                            >(placene).
                            >
                            >Nekteri clenove zdarma vykonavaji funkci moderatora v anglicky psane,
                            >tematicky zamerene skupine nebo skupine komunikujici ve svem jazyce (bez
                            >oboroveho cleneni) .
                            >Moderatori dohlizeji na diskuzni prispevky clenu s neplacenym clenstvim.
                            >Prispevky napsane overenymi a platinovymi cleny jsou zverejnovany bez casove
                            >prodlevy.
                            >
                            >Ceske forum vzniklo na zaklade prani Veroniky Masopusove v patek 2.12.2005.
                            >Forum nema moderatora a je na adrese http://www.proz.com/forum/127.
                            >Veronika mozna zjisti az v pondeli, ze forum vzniklo.
                            >
                            >Na ProZu je registrovano asi 800 prekladatelu, kteri uvadeji, ze mohou
                            >prekladat do cestiny, tj. mohou i psat cesky. Dalsi prekladatele z jinych
                            >zemi jiste oceni, ze si mohou prispevky ceskych autoru take precist na tomto
                            >miste.
                            >
                            >Prihlasim se jako moderator dne 7.12.2005, doufam, ze do te doby se nejaci
                            >dobrovolnici najdou.
                            >
                            >Kde je mozno overit identitu clena ProZu a postoupit na druhy stupen a
                            >usetrit praci moderatorum?
                            >Na setkanich s indianskym nazvem PowWow. Nejblizsi PowWow porada Helga
                            >Humlova dne 9.12.2005 v Praze
                            >
                            >http://www.proz.com/powwow/751
                            >
                            >Kdo se chce seznamit s minulym PowWow v Krakove, ktere bylo spojeno s
                            >konferenci http://www.proz.com/powwow/723
                            >Vlastni konference trvala dva dny http://www.proz.com/conference/
                            >fotografii dodal Vladimir Suda.
                            >
                            >Milan Condak
                            >
                            >(PS: Veronika Masopustova neprala pradlo)
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                            >Czechlist resources:
                            >http://www.bohemica.com/czechtranslation
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                            >http://www.googleguide.com/advanced_operators_reference.html
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                          • Terminus Technicus
                            Perhaps Milan needs it to push his (pardon me, that other guy s) CAT products :) M ... From: Martin Janda To:
                            Message 13 of 28 , Dec 4, 2005
                              Perhaps Milan needs it to push his (pardon me, that other guy's) CAT
                              products :)

                              M


                              ----- Original Message -----
                              From: "Martin Janda" <mjanda@...>
                              To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
                              Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 10:11 PM
                              Subject: Re: [Czechlist] Ceske forum na ProZ (zaslano do vice Yahoo skupin,
                              duplikaty smazte)


                              > Milan,
                              >
                              > are u sure we need yet another forum? Regardless of any needs Miss
                              > Masopustova might have....
                              > Not to mention this one would recognize first-class (Platinum, i.e.
                              > paying), second-class (verified) and even third-class (other) members.
                              >
                              > Martin
                              >
                              >
                              > Milan Condak wrote:
                              >
                              > > Vazeni,
                              > >
                              > >nekteri z Vas jiste vi, ze existuje server ProZ. Je to jeden ze serveru,
                              > >ktery eviduje prihlasene koncove zakazniky, prekladatelske agentury a
                              > >prekladatele. ProZ pouziva jazykove kody Windows, takze je mozno pouzivat
                              > >diakritiku (coz je vyhodne u slov, ktera existuji i bez diakritiky a
                              naopak,
                              > >ctenar si prida diakritiku kam nema a dochazi k nedorozumeni).
                              > >
                              > >ProZ je velky server. Krome zamestnancu na nem aktivne pusobi clenove =
                              > >(registrovani prekladatele), zadavatele zakazek a moderatori.
                              > >Vetsina informaci je verejne pristupna vsem ctenarum.
                              > >Kdo chce prispivat do diskuzi, radit ostatnim jak spravne prelozit nejaky
                              > >vyraz, ucinit nabidku prace, prihlasit se jako zajemce o praci = musi se
                              > >zdarma zaregistrovat.
                              > >
                              > >Clenstvi se deli do tri kategorii - neplacene, overene a platinove
                              > >(placene).
                              > >
                              > >Nekteri clenove zdarma vykonavaji funkci moderatora v anglicky psane,
                              > >tematicky zamerene skupine nebo skupine komunikujici ve svem jazyce (bez
                              > >oboroveho cleneni) .
                              > >Moderatori dohlizeji na diskuzni prispevky clenu s neplacenym clenstvim.
                              > >Prispevky napsane overenymi a platinovymi cleny jsou zverejnovany bez
                              casove
                              > >prodlevy.
                              > >
                              > >Ceske forum vzniklo na zaklade prani Veroniky Masopusove v patek
                              2.12.2005.
                              > >Forum nema moderatora a je na adrese http://www.proz.com/forum/127.
                              > >Veronika mozna zjisti az v pondeli, ze forum vzniklo.
                              > >
                              > >Na ProZu je registrovano asi 800 prekladatelu, kteri uvadeji, ze mohou
                              > >prekladat do cestiny, tj. mohou i psat cesky. Dalsi prekladatele z jinych
                              > >zemi jiste oceni, ze si mohou prispevky ceskych autoru take precist na
                              tomto
                              > >miste.
                              > >
                              > >Prihlasim se jako moderator dne 7.12.2005, doufam, ze do te doby se
                              nejaci
                              > >dobrovolnici najdou.
                              > >
                              > >Kde je mozno overit identitu clena ProZu a postoupit na druhy stupen a
                              > >usetrit praci moderatorum?
                              > >Na setkanich s indianskym nazvem PowWow. Nejblizsi PowWow porada Helga
                              > >Humlova dne 9.12.2005 v Praze
                              > >
                              > >http://www.proz.com/powwow/751
                              > >
                              > >Kdo se chce seznamit s minulym PowWow v Krakove, ktere bylo spojeno s
                              > >konferenci http://www.proz.com/powwow/723
                              > >Vlastni konference trvala dva dny http://www.proz.com/conference/
                              > >fotografii dodal Vladimir Suda.
                              > >
                              > >Milan Condak
                              > >
                              > >(PS: Veronika Masopustova neprala pradlo)
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >
                              > >Czechlist resources:
                              > >http://www.bohemica.com/czechtranslation
                              > >
                              > >Google guide:
                              > >http://www.googleguide.com/advanced_operators_reference.html
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                              > http://www.bohemica.com/czechtranslation
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                            • Milan Condak
                              Kdyz je na ProZu albanstina, makedonstina, danstina, proc ne cestina? Na ProZu jsou prodejni akce CATu, kdy je mozno nakupovat se slevou. Akce jsou veci
                              Message 14 of 28 , Dec 4, 2005
                                Kdyz je na ProZu albanstina, makedonstina, danstina, proc ne cestina?
                                Na ProZu jsou prodejni akce CATu, kdy je mozno nakupovat se slevou. Akce
                                jsou veci vyrobce a ProZu. Nijak se mne netykaji.

                                Pochopitelne nenavrhuji opustit Czechlist a dalsi nase diskuzni skupiny.
                                Existuji lide, kteri maji problem se na Yaoo zaregistrovat a jsou proto bud
                                registrovani jinde,
                                nebo pouze ctou prispevky jinych prekladatelu na ProZu.Nyni mohou prispevky
                                i v cestine. Propagaci cestiny to jiste prospeje.

                                To je vse. Milan

                                -----Original Message-----
                                From: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Czechlist@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                                Of Terminus Technicus
                                Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 10:24 PM
                                To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com
                                Subject: Re: [Czechlist] Ceske forum na ProZ (zaslano do vice Yahoo skupin,
                                duplikaty smazte)

                                Perhaps Milan needs it to push his (pardon me, that other guy's) CAT
                                products :)

                                M
                              • Martin Janda
                                Milane, Nemuzu a ani nechci spekulovat nad motivy, ktere tve jednani vedou. Jen nekolik poznamek ke tvym duvodum: 1. Pokud chce nekdo na proZ nakupovat kocky
                                Message 15 of 28 , Dec 5, 2005
                                  Milane,

                                  Nemuzu a ani nechci spekulovat nad motivy, ktere tve jednani vedou. Jen
                                  nekolik poznamek ke tvym duvodum:

                                  1. Pokud chce nekdo na proZ nakupovat kocky ve skupinach se slevou, muze
                                  tak bez problemu cinit i bez ceske skupiny.
                                  2. Na seznamu stahovanych skupin mam uz asi tri ceske (Czechlist,
                                  CzechEd, Preklady a donedavna jsem tam mel i Svepomoc). Docela mi to
                                  staci.
                                  3. Pokud nekdo nerozumi anglicky, existuje tu stale skupina Preklady a v
                                  ni spousta ochotnych lidi.
                                  4. Propagaci cestiny jakozto v celosvetovem meritku nepatrneho jazyka
                                  tva nova a jeste nepatrnejsi skupina nepomuze ani za mak.
                                  4. Pokud si vzpominam, Melvyn velmi ochotne provedl registraci do
                                  Czechlistu kazdemu, kdo o to stal. Stacilo mu zamailovat.
                                  5. Dost dobre nedokazu stravit koncepci skupiny, kde se prispevky
                                  nekterych (zejmena placenych) clenu objevi hned, zatimco prispevky
                                  jinych az za nekolik hodin, a jejimz hlavnim ucelem je, aby donutila co
                                  nejvic lidi zaplatit clensky obolus Mr. Henrymu a jeho ProZ.
                                  6. Tise kroutim hlavou nad tim, co vsechno se a jak rychle semele, kdyz
                                  jedna studentka na samem prahu prekladatelske kariery prohlasi, ze chce
                                  nove forum... Vi ona vubec o tom, ze uz jich nekolik existuje?

                                  Martin


                                  Milan Condak wrote:

                                  > Kdyz je na ProZu albanstina, makedonstina, danstina, proc ne cestina?
                                  > Na ProZu jsou prodejni akce CATu, kdy je mozno nakupovat se slevou. Akce
                                  >jsou veci vyrobce a ProZu. Nijak se mne netykaji.
                                  >
                                  > Pochopitelne nenavrhuji opustit Czechlist a dalsi nase diskuzni skupiny.
                                  >Existuji lide, kteri maji problem se na Yaoo zaregistrovat a jsou proto bud
                                  >registrovani jinde,
                                  > nebo pouze ctou prispevky jinych prekladatelu na ProZu.Nyni mohou prispevky
                                  >i v cestine. Propagaci cestiny to jiste prospeje.
                                  >
                                  >To je vse. Milan
                                  >
                                  >-----Original Message-----
                                  >From: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Czechlist@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf
                                  >Of Terminus Technicus
                                  >Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 10:24 PM
                                  >To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com
                                  >Subject: Re: [Czechlist] Ceske forum na ProZ (zaslano do vice Yahoo skupin,
                                  >duplikaty smazte)
                                  >
                                  >Perhaps Milan needs it to push his (pardon me, that other guy's) CAT
                                  >products :)
                                  >
                                  >M
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                  >
                                • jsyeaton
                                  ... Minor correction: other guys - he s supporting MetaTexis now, too. It s a nice program, better engineering than Wordfast (IMHO), or maybe it just runs
                                  Message 16 of 28 , Dec 5, 2005
                                    --- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com, "Terminus Technicus"
                                    <czechlist@t...> wrote:
                                    >
                                    > Perhaps Milan needs it to push his (pardon me, that other guy's) CAT
                                    > products :)
                                    >
                                    > M
                                    >
                                    Minor correction: other "guys'" - he's supporting MetaTexis now, too.
                                    It's a nice program, better engineering than Wordfast (IMHO), or
                                    maybe it just runs more smoothly because it's at a lower level (COM as
                                    opposed to macros), but it locks your TM up in Access in some code you
                                    can't even read in Access (as of last year this time).

                                    Judy
                                    >
                                    > ----- Original Message -----
                                    > From: "Martin Janda" <mjanda@g...>
                                    > To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                    > Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2005 10:11 PM
                                    > Subject: Re: [Czechlist] Ceske forum na ProZ (zaslano do vice Yahoo
                                    skupin,
                                    > duplikaty smazte)
                                    >
                                    >
                                    > > Milan,
                                    > >
                                    > > are u sure we need yet another forum? Regardless of any needs Miss
                                    > > Masopustova might have....
                                    > > Not to mention this one would recognize first-class (Platinum, i.e.
                                    > > paying), second-class (verified) and even third-class (other) members.
                                    > >
                                    > > Martin
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > Milan Condak wrote:
                                    > >
                                    > > > Vazeni,
                                    > > >
                                    > > >nekteri z Vas jiste vi, ze existuje server ProZ. Je to jeden ze
                                    serveru,
                                    > > >ktery eviduje prihlasene koncove zakazniky, prekladatelske agentury a
                                    > > >prekladatele. ProZ pouziva jazykove kody Windows, takze je mozno
                                    pouzivat
                                    > > >diakritiku (coz je vyhodne u slov, ktera existuji i bez diakritiky a
                                    > naopak,
                                    > > >ctenar si prida diakritiku kam nema a dochazi k nedorozumeni).
                                    > > >
                                    > > >ProZ je velky server. Krome zamestnancu na nem aktivne pusobi
                                    clenove =
                                    > > >(registrovani prekladatele), zadavatele zakazek a moderatori.
                                    > > >Vetsina informaci je verejne pristupna vsem ctenarum.
                                    > > >Kdo chce prispivat do diskuzi, radit ostatnim jak spravne
                                    prelozit nejaky
                                    > > >vyraz, ucinit nabidku prace, prihlasit se jako zajemce o praci =
                                    musi se
                                    > > >zdarma zaregistrovat.
                                    > > >
                                    > > >Clenstvi se deli do tri kategorii - neplacene, overene a platinove
                                    > > >(placene).
                                    > > >
                                    > > >Nekteri clenove zdarma vykonavaji funkci moderatora v anglicky psane,
                                    > > >tematicky zamerene skupine nebo skupine komunikujici ve svem
                                    jazyce (bez
                                    > > >oboroveho cleneni) .
                                    > > >Moderatori dohlizeji na diskuzni prispevky clenu s neplacenym
                                    clenstvim.
                                    > > >Prispevky napsane overenymi a platinovymi cleny jsou zverejnovany bez
                                    > casove
                                    > > >prodlevy.
                                    > > >
                                    > > >Ceske forum vzniklo na zaklade prani Veroniky Masopusove v patek
                                    > 2.12.2005.
                                    > > >Forum nema moderatora a je na adrese http://www.proz.com/forum/127.
                                    > > >Veronika mozna zjisti az v pondeli, ze forum vzniklo.
                                    > > >
                                    > > >Na ProZu je registrovano asi 800 prekladatelu, kteri uvadeji, ze
                                    mohou
                                    > > >prekladat do cestiny, tj. mohou i psat cesky. Dalsi prekladatele
                                    z jinych
                                    > > >zemi jiste oceni, ze si mohou prispevky ceskych autoru take
                                    precist na
                                    > tomto
                                    > > >miste.
                                    > > >
                                    > > >Prihlasim se jako moderator dne 7.12.2005, doufam, ze do te doby se
                                    > nejaci
                                    > > >dobrovolnici najdou.
                                    > > >
                                    > > >Kde je mozno overit identitu clena ProZu a postoupit na druhy
                                    stupen a
                                    > > >usetrit praci moderatorum?
                                    > > >Na setkanich s indianskym nazvem PowWow. Nejblizsi PowWow porada
                                    Helga
                                    > > >Humlova dne 9.12.2005 v Praze
                                    > > >
                                    > > >http://www.proz.com/powwow/751
                                    > > >
                                    > > >Kdo se chce seznamit s minulym PowWow v Krakove, ktere bylo spojeno s
                                    > > >konferenci http://www.proz.com/powwow/723
                                    > > >Vlastni konference trvala dva dny http://www.proz.com/conference/
                                    > > >fotografii dodal Vladimir Suda.
                                    > > >
                                    > > >Milan Condak
                                    > > >
                                    > > >(PS: Veronika Masopustova neprala pradlo)
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > >
                                    > > >Czechlist resources:
                                    > > >http://www.bohemica.com/czechtranslation
                                    > > >
                                    > > >Google guide:
                                    > > >http://www.googleguide.com/advanced_operators_reference.html
                                    > > >
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                                    > > >
                                    > > >
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                                    > > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > >
                                    > > Czechlist resources:
                                    > > http://www.bohemica.com/czechtranslation
                                    > >
                                    > > Google guide:
                                    > > http://www.googleguide.com/advanced_operators_reference.html
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                                  • jsyeaton
                                    Hi Michael, This doesn t have anything to do with product recall, really, I just wanted to let you know I came across your review of Marta Chrom(a ) s CZ EN
                                    Message 17 of 28 , Dec 5, 2005
                                      Hi Michael, This doesn't have anything to do with product recall,
                                      really, I just wanted to let you know I came across your review of
                                      Marta Chrom(a')'s CZ>EN legal dictionary in the Translation Journal
                                      this weekend. (I checked here, but there didn't seem to be any
                                      discussion of either.) I really liked the review - very informative.
                                      I'll have to see if I can find that other book of hers, the one about
                                      dictionary-writing, that you actually spent most of the space discussing.

                                      I've been using the dictionary the past few days and still have one
                                      question: pr^edme^t smlouvy. Is there any difference between the
                                      "subject-matter of a contract" and the "object of a contract"? She
                                      uses the former - is it UK as opposed to US? Google has about twice as
                                      many "objects" as "subjects."

                                      Judy



                                      Czechlist@yahoogroups.com, Michael Trittipo <tritt002@t...> wrote:
                                      >
                                      > Michael Trittipo wrote:
                                      > > James Kirchner wrote:
                                      > > Exactly. The meaning of "recall" in both instances is
                                      > > "removal from the market" -- i.e., stopping the selling
                                      > > of the product, making retailers take unsold product
                                      > > off of the shelves, . . .
                                      >
                                      > Maybe it would be helpful to add that I was on a team
                                      > of lawyers in charge of handling a product recall: our
                                      > client made and sold, among other things, ice cream;
                                      > and some containers contained Listeria monocytogenes,
                                      > which was allegedly the cause of one customer's death
                                      > by meningitis. It costs a lot to get unsold product
                                      > back off the shelves, and to handle refund and injury
                                      > claims.
                                      >
                                    • Zuzana Kocicková
                                      Jardo, plne souhlasim s tebou, pokud jde o to, ze jsem momentalni Milanovu snaha nepohopila. Na druhou stranu, myslim, ze i on nekdy prijde se zajimavym
                                      Message 18 of 28 , Dec 5, 2005
                                        Jardo,
                                        plne souhlasim s tebou, pokud jde o to, ze jsem momentalni Milanovu snaha
                                        nepohopila.

                                        Na druhou stranu, myslim, ze i on nekdy prijde se zajimavym odkazem ci radou
                                        a jindy je proste"svuj":-)

                                        Spis by me zajimalo, jestli platinum clenstvi na proz. skutecne prinasi
                                        uzitek v podobe trvale zasobarny prace a pripadne jine pomoci pro
                                        prekladatele do cestiny.

                                        Zuzana


                                        ----- Original Message -----
                                        From: "Martin Janda" <mjanda@...>
                                        To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
                                        Sent: Monday, December 05, 2005 9:03 AM
                                        Subject: Re: [Czechlist] Ceske forum na ProZ (zaslano do vice Yahoo skupin,
                                        duplikaty smazte)


                                        > Milane,
                                        >
                                        > Nemuzu a ani nechci spekulovat nad motivy, ktere tve jednani vedou. Jen
                                        > nekolik poznamek ke tvym duvodum:
                                        >
                                        > 1. Pokud chce nekdo na proZ nakupovat kocky ve skupinach se slevou, muze
                                        > tak bez problemu cinit i bez ceske skupiny.
                                        > 2. Na seznamu stahovanych skupin mam uz asi tri ceske (Czechlist,
                                        > CzechEd, Preklady a donedavna jsem tam mel i Svepomoc). Docela mi to
                                        > staci.
                                        > 3. Pokud nekdo nerozumi anglicky, existuje tu stale skupina Preklady a v
                                        > ni spousta ochotnych lidi.
                                        > 4. Propagaci cestiny jakozto v celosvetovem meritku nepatrneho jazyka
                                        > tva nova a jeste nepatrnejsi skupina nepomuze ani za mak.
                                        > 4. Pokud si vzpominam, Melvyn velmi ochotne provedl registraci do
                                        > Czechlistu kazdemu, kdo o to stal. Stacilo mu zamailovat.
                                        > 5. Dost dobre nedokazu stravit koncepci skupiny, kde se prispevky
                                        > nekterych (zejmena placenych) clenu objevi hned, zatimco prispevky
                                        > jinych az za nekolik hodin, a jejimz hlavnim ucelem je, aby donutila co
                                        > nejvic lidi zaplatit clensky obolus Mr. Henrymu a jeho ProZ.
                                        > 6. Tise kroutim hlavou nad tim, co vsechno se a jak rychle semele, kdyz
                                        > jedna studentka na samem prahu prekladatelske kariery prohlasi, ze chce
                                        > nove forum... Vi ona vubec o tom, ze uz jich nekolik existuje?
                                        >
                                        > Martin
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                                        > Milan Condak wrote:
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                                        > > Kdyz je na ProZu albanstina, makedonstina, danstina, proc ne cestina?
                                        > > Na ProZu jsou prodejni akce CATu, kdy je mozno nakupovat se slevou. Akce
                                        > >jsou veci vyrobce a ProZu. Nijak se mne netykaji.
                                        > >
                                        > > Pochopitelne nenavrhuji opustit Czechlist a dalsi nase diskuzni skupiny.
                                        > >Existuji lide, kteri maji problem se na Yaoo zaregistrovat a jsou proto
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                                        > >registrovani jinde,
                                        > > nebo pouze ctou prispevky jinych prekladatelu na ProZu.Nyni mohou
                                        prispevky
                                        > >i v cestine. Propagaci cestiny to jiste prospeje.
                                        > >
                                        > >To je vse. Milan
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                                        > >Perhaps Milan needs it to push his (pardon me, that other guy's) CAT
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                                      • Petr Veselý
                                        ... To urcite ne. Ja uvazuju takto: pocet dzobu do cj je tam dlouhodobe relativne staly a relativne maly a jen cast z nich je omezena na platinare, navic se
                                        Message 19 of 28 , Dec 5, 2005
                                          > Spis by me zajimalo, jestli platinum clenstvi na proz. skutecne prinasi
                                          > uzitek v podobe trvale zasobarny prace a pripadne jine pomoci pro
                                          > prekladatele do cestiny.
                                          >
                                          To urcite ne.

                                          Ja uvazuju takto:

                                          pocet dzobu do cj je tam dlouhodobe relativne staly a relativne maly a jen
                                          cast z nich je omezena na platinare, navic se vzrustajicim poctem platinaru
                                          klesa sance takovy dzob uchvatit a tudiz i duvod platit relativne vysoke
                                          clenstvi. Jine vyznamne vyhody platinari oproti neplatinarum nemaji, AFAIK.

                                          Petr
                                        • Michael Trittipo
                                          ... Thanks. It was a fun one to review. The hardest thing was to try to keep the review limited in scope to just the book _about_ the making of the
                                          Message 20 of 28 , Dec 5, 2005
                                            jsyeaton wrote:
                                            > discussion of either.) I really liked the review - very informative.
                                            > I'll have to see if I can find that other book of hers, the one about
                                            > dictionary-writing, that you actually spent most of the space discussing.

                                            Thanks. It was a fun one to review. The hardest thing
                                            was to try to keep the review limited in scope to just
                                            the book _about_ the making of the dictionary, and
                                            avoid reviewing the dictionary itself.

                                            > I've been using the dictionary the past few days and still have one
                                            > question: pr^edme^t smlouvy. Is there any difference between the
                                            > "subject-matter of a contract" and the "object of a contract"? She
                                            > uses the former - is it UK as opposed to US? Google has about twice as
                                            > many "objects" as "subjects."

                                            It may possibly be UK vs. US, but we'd have to check
                                            with a UK lawyer to know. From a U.S. standpoint, I
                                            agree with her choice of "subject matter of the
                                            contract." To me, "object of the contract" means more
                                            the "purpose of the contract," i.e., what motivated the
                                            contract, rather than what it is about (its subject
                                            matter).

                                            If I do a Google on exact phrases "object of the
                                            contract" and "subject matter of the contract" _and_ in
                                            each case add the URL qualifier site:.edu to limit it
                                            to US cites, the results are 487 for subject matter and
                                            110 for object, i.e., 4-to-1 for Chromá's choice.
                                            There are 242 pages that use both exact phrases on the
                                            same page, and a look at three or four of them tracks
                                            at first glance with the distinction that I just
                                            indicated I'd be inclined to make. For example, the
                                            subject matter of a contract for sale of goods would be
                                            the goods; but the object (i.e., purpose, motivation)
                                            of that contract might be to avoid estate tax.

                                            Using a site restriction of site:.uk makes for a
                                            lopsided proportion the other way, but I didn't look at
                                            the pages to develop any further ideas. That's where
                                            having a UK lawyer or two to ask would help.

                                            The bottom line is that I think "subject matter" is a
                                            good translation for "předmět" and I'd probably think
                                            of "object" as being more like a contract's cíl or
                                            záměr. I'd have to look more closely at the UK hits,
                                            and check out some real-life court decisions on Westlaw
                                            or the like with exact or close phrases, to have more
                                            objective evidence than this. But if it helps you,
                                            that's my first take on it.
                                          • jsyeaton
                                            Sometimes it helps just to hear that it s not obvious. Or maybe I should have mentioned that this is just the standard heading in every contract? Here s my
                                            Message 21 of 28 , Dec 6, 2005
                                              Sometimes it helps just to hear that it's not obvious. Or maybe I
                                              should have mentioned that this is just the standard heading in every
                                              contract?

                                              Here's my example: "Clanek II. Predment smlouvy. Predmetem teto
                                              smlouvy je vyplnovani CRF pro klinickou studii..." After thinking
                                              about it for a while I realized I didn't have any idea whether this
                                              was more a subject (after all, it's what the contract was about) or
                                              the object (of the actions to be taken by the parties). So on the
                                              basis of getting more hits for examples of contracts (no site
                                              restriction) I went with "object." On the other hand... You must have
                                              drawn up a zillion similar documents - what would you say without
                                              checking with Google?

                                              Judy


                                              -- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com, Michael Trittipo <tritt002@t...> wrote:
                                              >
                                              > jsyeaton wrote:
                                              > > discussion of either.) I really liked the review - very informative.
                                              > > I'll have to see if I can find that other book of hers, the one about
                                              > > dictionary-writing, that you actually spent most of the space
                                              discussing.
                                              >
                                              > Thanks. It was a fun one to review. The hardest thing
                                              > was to try to keep the review limited in scope to just
                                              > the book _about_ the making of the dictionary, and
                                              > avoid reviewing the dictionary itself.
                                              >
                                              > > I've been using the dictionary the past few days and still have one
                                              > > question: pr^edme^t smlouvy. Is there any difference between the
                                              > > "subject-matter of a contract" and the "object of a contract"? She
                                              > > uses the former - is it UK as opposed to US? Google has about twice as
                                              > > many "objects" as "subjects."
                                              >
                                              > It may possibly be UK vs. US, but we'd have to check
                                              > with a UK lawyer to know. From a U.S. standpoint, I
                                              > agree with her choice of "subject matter of the
                                              > contract." To me, "object of the contract" means more
                                              > the "purpose of the contract," i.e., what motivated the
                                              > contract, rather than what it is about (its subject
                                              > matter).
                                              >
                                              > If I do a Google on exact phrases "object of the
                                              > contract" and "subject matter of the contract" _and_ in
                                              > each case add the URL qualifier site:.edu to limit it
                                              > to US cites, the results are 487 for subject matter and
                                              > 110 for object, i.e., 4-to-1 for Chromá's choice.
                                              > There are 242 pages that use both exact phrases on the
                                              > same page, and a look at three or four of them tracks
                                              > at first glance with the distinction that I just
                                              > indicated I'd be inclined to make. For example, the
                                              > subject matter of a contract for sale of goods would be
                                              > the goods; but the object (i.e., purpose, motivation)
                                              > of that contract might be to avoid estate tax.
                                              >
                                              > Using a site restriction of site:.uk makes for a
                                              > lopsided proportion the other way, but I didn't look at
                                              > the pages to develop any further ideas. That's where
                                              > having a UK lawyer or two to ask would help.
                                              >
                                              > The bottom line is that I think "subject matter" is a
                                              > good translation for "předmět" and I'd probably think
                                              > of "object" as being more like a contract's cíl or
                                              > záměr. I'd have to look more closely at the UK hits,
                                              > and check out some real-life court decisions on Westlaw
                                              > or the like with exact or close phrases, to have more
                                              > objective evidence than this. But if it helps you,
                                              > that's my first take on it.
                                              >
                                            • Valerie Talacko
                                              The stress is on the first syllable - the e is a schwa verging on an i. Interesting, because Burnett - as in Leo or Frances Hodgson - has the stress on the
                                              Message 22 of 28 , Dec 6, 2005
                                                The stress is on the first syllable - the e is a schwa verging on an i.

                                                Interesting, because Burnett - as in Leo or Frances Hodgson - has the stress on the second syllable.

                                                Valerie
                                                ----- Original Message -----
                                                From: Jirka Bolech
                                                To: Smartgroups ; Yahoogroups
                                                Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2005 5:19 PM
                                                Subject: [Czechlist] PRONUNCIATION: Willett


                                                Hi there,

                                                how do you pronounce 'Willett'? I need it as the name of a company, but I
                                                suppose it's a last name pronounced the same way. I'm not sure about the
                                                second syllable. Is there /i/ or /e/. Also, is the stress at the beginning?
                                                Prompt response appreciated.

                                                Jirka Bolech



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                                              • Michael
                                                ... Without checking with Google, I d write subject matter, myself. That s what comes naturally to my lips or pen, and what I hear and read. I added the
                                                Message 23 of 28 , Dec 6, 2005
                                                  --- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com, "jsyeaton" <jsyeaton@y...> wrote:
                                                  >
                                                  > Here's my example: "Clanek II. Predment smlouvy. Predmetem teto
                                                  > smlouvy je vyplnovani CRF pro klinickou studii..." . . .
                                                  > . . . what would you say without checking with Google?

                                                  Without checking with Google, I'd write "subject matter," myself.
                                                  That's what comes naturally to my lips or pen, and what I hear and
                                                  read. I added the Google results only to provide some objective
                                                  benchmark, so as not to ask anyone to rely on my mere ipse dixit.

                                                  About a product "recall" I didn't add any Google results, because I
                                                  knew 100% without room for error what it means to all U.S. lawyers.
                                                  About "subject matter/object," I had to recognize the possibility of
                                                  an idiolect or a Minnesota dialect vs., maybe, a Louisiana or Virginia
                                                  one, etc., and thus the desirability of an objective check.

                                                  Ex cathedrally or ex Googley yours,
                                                  from frozen Minnesota (-12C last night
                                                  and the Mississippi is frozen over)
                                                • Jirka Bolech
                                                  Hi there, how do you pronounce Willett ? I need it as the name of a company, but I suppose it s a last name pronounced the same way. I m not sure about the
                                                  Message 24 of 28 , Dec 6, 2005
                                                    Hi there,

                                                    how do you pronounce 'Willett'? I need it as the name of a company, but I
                                                    suppose it's a last name pronounced the same way. I'm not sure about the
                                                    second syllable. Is there /i/ or /e/. Also, is the stress at the beginning?
                                                    Prompt response appreciated.

                                                    Jirka Bolech
                                                  • Jirka Bolech
                                                    Thanks a bunch, Valerie. This was quick... Jirka Bolech
                                                    Message 25 of 28 , Dec 6, 2005
                                                      Thanks a bunch, Valerie. This was quick...

                                                      Jirka Bolech
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