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Re: Czechia revisited

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  • kzgafas
    ... and naming countries in (American) English is one of his jobs. As you can imagine, it s sometimes quite a politicized process having more to do with
    Message 1 of 24 , Sep 30, 2003
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      > In the U.S. Department of State, there's an official geographer,
      and "naming" countries in (American) English is one of his jobs. As
      you can imagine, it's sometimes quite a politicized process having
      more to do with international relations than linguistics.
      >
      > Darian

      I would say naming countries is more often political process than we
      may admit. It may be the fundamental issue from the "existential
      point of view" - conquering the territory first, and naming it
      follows second. Logic (or any kind of thinking at all) or linguistics
      become possible after this. I think it is just sad when linguists
      must PRETEND the opposite order. The same with Czechia.

      K.
    • Mgr. Lenka Mandryszová
      I would not be that pessimistic. The biggest problem I see is the common confusion with Chechnya. L
      Message 2 of 24 , Oct 1, 2003
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        I would not be that pessimistic. The biggest problem I see is the common
        confusion with Chechnya.
        L


        > I would say naming countries is more often political process than we
        > may admit. It may be the fundamental issue from the "existential
        > point of view" - conquering the territory first, and naming it
        > follows second. Logic (or any kind of thinking at all) or linguistics
        > become possible after this. I think it is just sad when linguists
        > must PRETEND the opposite order. The same with Czechia.
        >
        > K.
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      • janvanek
        ... we ... Witness The Formal Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia - suddenly it seems we still didn t end up that badly :-) ... ... common ... Hm, how
        Message 3 of 24 , Oct 1, 2003
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          > > I would say naming countries is more often political process than
          we
          > > may admit.

          Witness The Formal Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia - suddenly it seems
          we still didn't end up that badly :-)


          --- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com, Mgr. Lenka Mandryszová
          <iona@v...>
          wrote:
          > I would not be that pessimistic. The biggest problem I see is the
          common
          > confusion with Chechnya.

          Hm, how common? I read somewhere that "cech" was used as a nickname
          for Chechens in Russia so one would probably do better with "ne
          streljajte, ja cechoslovackij!" there, but I suppose there can't be
          so many people even in... um, outside Europe who'd think we had two
          wars with Russia in a decade and the capital levelled.
          Certainly the Slovakia/Slovenia confusion must be much more frequent,
          though perhaps a little bit less annoying.

          --
          Jan Vanek jr.

          malyctenar.blogspot.com - jak Randroidi prekladaji "late Mr. XY"?
        • Terminus Technicus
          ... YESS! That s my favourite :) (didn t know Korean cuisine was big on bear meat, though :) BTW, I don t mind Cesko at all, as long as it is used informally -
          Message 4 of 24 , May 18, 2004
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            > The last time I went to my favorite Korean restaurant in New York, their
            > bear menu featured "Pilsner (Czecho)."

            YESS! That's my favourite :)

            (didn't know Korean cuisine was big on bear meat, though :)

            BTW, I don't mind Cesko at all, as long as it is used informally - i.e. OK
            in a newspaper headline about the country as a physical entity (Cesko drzi
            rekord v piti piva etc.), less OK if it concerns the country as a political
            entity - za (Cesko byl pritomen premier Spidla), not OK in "Vyrobeno v
            Cesku" etc.. but I guess it'll get there one day

            I'm not sure about Czechia and don't know why it should be THE equivalent to
            Cesko, but if NS's say they prefer it to (for example) Czecho (which I admit
            is highly informal), then I'll live with it..



            People still bought it. :-) I think
            > the whole argument that we're seen as a country that doesn't know what to
            > call itself and thereby hurt its image reeks of pompous provincialism.

            Agree

            matej
          • Michal Ginter
            The last time I went to my favorite Korean restaurant in New York, their bear menu featured Pilsner (Czecho). People still bought it. :-) I think the whole
            Message 5 of 24 , May 18, 2004
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              The last time I went to my favorite Korean restaurant in New York, their
              bear menu featured "Pilsner (Czecho)." People still bought it. :-) I think
              the whole argument that we're seen as a country that doesn't know what to
              call itself and thereby hurt its image reeks of pompous provincialism. I
              suspect that the rest of the world doesn't really give a damn whether we
              call ourselves Czech Republic, the Czech Republic, Czechia, Czechlands or
              the Czechlands. Many countries have short and long versions of their name,
              and it doesn't seem to bother anyone. Perhaps the Senate could pass the
              referendum bill, and lump the question with the next referendum, maybe the
              one on the European constitution, let it become a res publica, and get a
              life.

              Michal
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