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  • Elena Cuyen-Butterworth
    Co tak film previews ? ... From: raesim [mailto:rachelandsimon@quick.cz] Sent: 02 June 2003 10:54 To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Czechlist] TERM:
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      Co tak "film previews"?
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      From: raesim [mailto:rachelandsimon@...]
      Sent: 02 June 2003 10:54
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      Subject: [Czechlist] TERM: filmovy uvodnik


      Can anyone describe for me what 'filmove uvodniky' are, or supply an
      English equivalent?

      "Ta je prebudovala na filmovy atelier, v nemz pak natacela reklamy
      na vyrobky socialistickeho prumyslu, filmove uvodniky a komunisticke
      agitky."

      Thanks!

      Simon



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    • Elena Cuyen-Butterworth
      Sorry, got it mixed up, how about a trailer ? I am not certain if it s the same thing, though. Elena ... From: Elena Cuyen-Butterworth
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        Sorry, got it mixed up, how about a "trailer"? I am not certain if it's the
        same thing, though.

        Elena
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        From: Elena Cuyen-Butterworth [mailto:elka@...]
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        Co tak "film previews"?
        -----Original Message-----
        From: raesim [mailto:rachelandsimon@...]
        Sent: 02 June 2003 10:54
        To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com
        Subject: [Czechlist] TERM: filmovy uvodnik


        Can anyone describe for me what 'filmove uvodniky' are, or supply an
        English equivalent?

        "Ta je prebudovala na filmovy atelier, v nemz pak natacela reklamy
        na vyrobky socialistickeho prumyslu, filmove uvodniky a komunisticke
        agitky."

        Thanks!

        Simon



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      • Zdenek Mikan
        Podle mne to byly spise kratke filmy, ktere se drive promitaly pred hlavnim celovecernim filmem. Zdenek
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          Podle mne to byly spise kratke filmy, ktere se drive promitaly pred hlavnim
          celovecernim filmem.

          Zdenek

          >Sorry, got it mixed up, how about a "trailer"? I am not certain if it's the
          >same thing, though.
          >
          >Elena
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          > Co tak "film previews"?
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          > Can anyone describe for me what 'filmove uvodniky' are, or supply an
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          > "Ta je prebudovala na filmovy atelier, v nemz pak natacela reklamy
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        • Dohnalová Katerina
          I think it is a trailer or a sneak peek (guessing from one-hit result) Seems like this word is not used nowadays at all though, as I got only one hit on
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            I think it is a trailer or a sneak peek (guessing from one-hit result)

            Seems like this word is not used nowadays at all though, as I got only one
            hit on google, yahoo, altavista etc. for this expression. so it seems to be
            outdated or rarely used expression.


            -----Original Message-----
            From: raesim [mailto:rachelandsimon@...]
            Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 11:54 AM
            To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com
            Subject: [Czechlist] TERM: filmovy uvodnik


            Can anyone describe for me what 'filmove uvodniky' are, or supply an
            English equivalent?

            "Ta je prebudovala na filmovy atelier, v nemz pak natacela reklamy
            na vyrobky socialistickeho prumyslu, filmove uvodniky a komunisticke
            agitky."

            Thanks!

            Simon




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          • Matej Klimes
            Hi Simon, I think the best equivalent is Newsreel - they were weekly news bulletins that got screened before the main feature - they ar re-running the old
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              Hi Simon,

              I think the best equivalent is "Newsreel" - they were weekly news bulletins
              that got screened before the main feature - they ar re-running the old
              commie ones (exacly 50 years ago) on CT 2 these days.

              You always se "US Newsreel" in a corner when there's an old footage in
              between talking heads in a documentary.... Only I'm not 100% sure whether
              newsreel is a generic term for thins kind of thing, or if it perhaps was a
              sort of brand name?

              Matej


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              From: "raesim" <rachelandsimon@...>
              To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
              Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 11:54 AM
              Subject: [Czechlist] TERM: filmovy uvodnik


              > Can anyone describe for me what 'filmove uvodniky' are, or supply an
              > English equivalent?
              >
              > "Ta je prebudovala na filmovy atelier, v nemz pak natacela reklamy
              > na vyrobky socialistickeho prumyslu, filmove uvodniky a komunisticke
              > agitky."
              >
              > Thanks!
              >
              > Simon
              >
              >
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            • Dohnalová Katerina
              Hello Matej, wasn t newsreel specifically called Filmovy tydenik ? I am not sure at all whether Uvodnik and Tydenik would mean the same thing or not, just
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                Hello Matej,
                wasn't newsreel specifically called Filmovy tydenik ?
                I am not sure at all whether Uvodnik and Tydenik would mean the same thing
                or not, just asking.
                K.

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                From: Matej Klimes [mailto:mklimes@...]
                Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 3:47 PM
                To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com
                Subject: Re: [Czechlist] TERM: filmovy uvodnik


                Hi Simon,

                I think the best equivalent is "Newsreel" - they were weekly news bulletins
                that got screened before the main feature - they ar re-running the old
                commie ones (exacly 50 years ago) on CT 2 these days.

                You always se "US Newsreel" in a corner when there's an old footage in
                between talking heads in a documentary.... Only I'm not 100% sure whether
                newsreel is a generic term for thins kind of thing, or if it perhaps was a
                sort of brand name?

                Matej


                ----- Original Message -----
                From: "raesim" <rachelandsimon@...>
                To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
                Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 11:54 AM
                Subject: [Czechlist] TERM: filmovy uvodnik


                > Can anyone describe for me what 'filmove uvodniky' are, or supply an
                > English equivalent?
                >
                > "Ta je prebudovala na filmovy atelier, v nemz pak natacela reklamy
                > na vyrobky socialistickeho prumyslu, filmove uvodniky a komunisticke
                > agitky."
                >
                > Thanks!
                >
                > Simon
                >
                >
                >
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              • Matej Klimes
                they were weekly news bulletins ... Mind you the 50 s Czech uvodnik was a heaviy propaganda affair rather than news, still, they pretended to be news.. great
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                  they were weekly news bulletins
                  > that got screened before the main feature

                  Mind you the 50's Czech "uvodnik" was a heaviy propaganda affair rather than
                  news, still, they pretended to be news.. great entertainment (at least 50
                  years later)

                  M
                • Matej Klimes
                  I am not sure at all whether Uvodnik and Tydenik would mean the same thing I see, I didn t look at it that close, but I guess it could be the same thing?? A
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                    I am not sure at all whether Uvodnik and Tydenik would mean the same thing

                    I see, I didn't look at it that close, but I guess it could be the same
                    thing?? A lot of those "news shots" were done/redone in studios by the look
                    of them :) I gues it'll do for this sentence, though, as it sounds like a
                    more general term than "preview" to me...

                    M
                  • Lenka Mandryszová
                    Coming a bit late to the discussion - but better late than never? Yes, Uvodnik and Tydenik were actually the same, kind of propaganda with the news headline.
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                      Coming a bit late to the discussion - but better late than never?
                      Yes, Uvodnik and Tydenik were actually the same, kind of propaganda with the
                      "news" headline. "Newsreel" seems the best equivalent, M. has already given
                      all the info.
                      Matej, thanks for your professional contributions!
                      L.

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                      Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 3:57 PM
                      Subject: Re: [Czechlist] TERM: filmovy uvodnik


                      >
                      > I am not sure at all whether Uvodnik and Tydenik would mean the same thing
                      >
                      > I see, I didn't look at it that close, but I guess it could be the same
                      > thing?? A lot of those "news shots" were done/redone in studios by the
                      look
                      > of them :) I gues it'll do for this sentence, though, as it sounds like a
                      > more general term than "preview" to me...
                      >
                      > M
                    • raesim
                      A big thanks to Elena, Zdenek, Katerina, Matej and Lenka for their prompt guidance. I had been wondering whether a filmovy uvodnik was any kind of short film
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                        A big thanks to Elena, Zdenek, Katerina, Matej and Lenka for their
                        prompt guidance.

                        I had been wondering whether a 'filmovy uvodnik' was any kind of
                        short film introducing the main feature or had a specially political
                        content. I feel confident, from the context and what's been said on
                        the list, that I can go with Matej's suggestion, 'newsreel'. It's
                        funny: I had the idea of Pathé News in my head, but I couldn't think
                        of the generic term.

                        Simon
                      • raesim
                        Here s another film-related question that might be right up Matej s street: Does anyone know if there s an English equivalent for fabion , as used in
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                          Here's another film-related question that might be right up Matej's
                          street:

                          Does anyone know if there's an English equivalent for 'fabion', as
                          used in bluescreen filming? As I understand it, the 'fabion' is a
                          wall or backdrop that curves into the ceiling, floor and sidewalls
                          to prevent hard edges and shadows forming in the background to a
                          shot.

                          "Atelier XX ma rozmery 16,8 x 9,6 m (12 m pod mostem) pri vysce 7 m.
                          Je vybaven pojizdnym osvetlovacim mostem. Zadni stenu pokryva 7,2 x
                          7 m veliky fabion, ktery je mozne vyuzit pro klicovani na
                          bluescreen."

                          Thanks again!

                          Simon
                        • Matej Klimes
                          When I used to be a photog, we d call this a background, but that s anything behind a model, since this is a specific TV technique, there may be a specific
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                            When I used to be a photog, we'd call this a background, but that's anything
                            behind a model, since this is a specific TV technique, there may be a
                            specific term as well...

                            M
                          • Matej Klimes
                            Actually, (and amazingly), it s nothing else than bluescreen background... bluescreen_light ... Spill on the background could degrade the hue and density of
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                              Actually, (and amazingly), it's nothing else than bluescreen background...

                              bluescreen_light
                              ... Spill on the background could degrade the hue and density of the
                              bluescreen
                              background. This makes calculation of a mask harder. ...
                              www.berceanu.com.au/bluescreen_light.html - 9k - Archiv - Podobné stránky

                              Star Wars: Community | How does the bluescreen technique work?
                              ... computer using a set of rules, such as, if a pixel has more blue than
                              both red and/or
                              green, then the pixel is considered part of the bluescreen background. ...
                              www.starwars.com/community/askjc/ ilm/askjc20000522.html - 30k - Archiv -
                              Podobné stránky



                              M
                            • raesim
                              ... I haven t been able to find one by Googling. The client suggested I use fabion since it s an international word , but I can t find any evidence for its
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                                > When I used to be a photog, we'd call this a background, but
                                > that's anything behind a model, since this is a specific TV
                                > technique, there may be a specific term as well...

                                I haven't been able to find one by Googling. The client suggested I
                                use 'fabion' 'since it's an international word', but I can't find
                                any evidence for its use in English.

                                Simon
                              • Zdenek Mikan
                                I have found cavetto, cove, coving, scotia in my technical dictionary (Lingea cz- ENGLISH) for fabion, or mortar fillet for koutovy fabion. Zdenek
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                                  I have found cavetto, cove, coving, scotia in my technical dictionary
                                  (Lingea cz->ENGLISH) for fabion, or mortar fillet for koutovy fabion.

                                  Zdenek

                                  >> When I used to be a photog, we'd call this a background, but
                                  >> that's anything behind a model, since this is a specific TV
                                  >> technique, there may be a specific term as well...
                                  >
                                  >I haven't been able to find one by Googling. The client suggested I
                                  >use 'fabion' 'since it's an international word', but I can't find
                                  >any evidence for its use in English.
                                  >
                                  >Simon
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                                • raesim
                                  ... Thanks, Matej. I might go for backdrop instead, since the text talks about its *covering* the back wall: The back wall is covered by a 7.2 by 7 m
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                                    > Actually, (and amazingly), it's nothing else than bluescreen
                                    > background...

                                    Thanks, Matej. I might go for 'backdrop' instead, since the text
                                    talks about its *covering* the back wall: 'The back wall is covered
                                    by a 7.2 by 7 m curved backdrop, which can be used for bluescreen
                                    keying.' Unless I should simplify things and just say: 'The back
                                    wall is covered by a 7.2 by 7 m bluescreen backdrop.' But perhaps
                                    this 'fabion' can be used for other things as well...

                                    Simon
                                  • raesim
                                    ... Thanks, Zdenek. Unfortunately, none of these terms seem to be used in conjunction with bluescreen filming. Simon
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                                      > I have found cavetto, cove, coving, scotia in my technical
                                      > dictionary (Lingea cz->ENGLISH) for fabion, or mortar fillet
                                      > for koutovy fabion.

                                      Thanks, Zdenek. Unfortunately, none of these terms seem to be used
                                      in conjunction with bluescreen filming.

                                      Simon
                                    • raesim
                                      Got more, if you want it! Does dotacky in the passage below mean anything more specific than final takes ? Zvlaste, pokud se toci v exterierech prazskeho
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                                        Got more, if you want it!

                                        Does "dotacky" in the passage below mean anything more specific
                                        than "final takes"?

                                        "Zvlaste, pokud se toci v exterierech prazskeho centra, je vyhodne
                                        poridit dotacky v [atelieru XX], kam je to blizko."

                                        Again, thanks again!

                                        Simon
                                      • melvyn.geo
                                        ... FWIW my Anglicko-cesky slovnik filmovy a televizni (Vedral, JTP) has added take for dotacka . M.
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                                          --- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com, "raesim" <rachelandsimon@q...> wrote:
                                          > Got more, if you want it!
                                          >
                                          > Does "dotacky" in the passage below mean anything more specific
                                          > than "final takes"?
                                          >
                                          FWIW my Anglicko-cesky slovnik filmovy a televizni (Vedral, JTP) has 'added take' for 'dotacka'.

                                          M.
                                        • raesim
                                          ... Thanks, Melvyn. I arrived at final takes through the verb dotocit ( finish filming ), but added takes seems more likely from the context.
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                                            > > Does "dotacky" in the passage below mean anything more specific
                                            > > than "final takes"?
                                            >
                                            > FWIW my Anglicko-cesky slovnik filmovy a televizni (Vedral, JTP)
                                            > has 'added take' for 'dotacka'.

                                            Thanks, Melvyn. I arrived at "final takes" through the
                                            verb "dotocit" ("finish filming"), but "added takes" seems more
                                            likely from the context. Unfortunately, I can't find much obvious
                                            evidence for its use on Google. Perhaps "additional
                                            takes/shots/footage" would do.

                                            BTW, how do you rate the Vedral glossaries overall?

                                            Simon
                                          • melvyn.geo
                                            ... Perhaps additional ... Old Poldauf has additional shot and added scene . ... Better than a kick up the backside, I suppose, considering they attempt to
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                                              --- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com, "raesim" <rachelandsimon@q...> wrote:
                                              Perhaps "additional
                                              > takes/shots/footage" would do.

                                              Old Poldauf has 'additional shot' and 'added scene'.
                                              >
                                              > BTW, how do you rate the Vedral glossaries overall?

                                              Better than a kick up the backside, I suppose, considering they attempt to deal with some of those itchy areas which lie beyond scratching reach of the larger dictionaries. Occasionally they can prove useful.

                                              Just the other day, for example, I got a query on 'veprova kolena'. Karen put me onto the right track, and she was corroborated by my slovnik z oboru masneho prumyslu - pork knuckles!

                                              I get the impression that the author's sources and informants have had some inside experience of the fields concerned and some of the items have a very workaday, as opposed to an academically rigorous feel about them (e.g. from the slovnik filmovy a televizni: Mr X hugs the mike = pan X leze do mikrofonu, listed under M). IMO there are surprisingly few 'filler' words, though you will occasionally get stray items from only tenuously related fields, e.g. 'strawberries with whipped cream' in the meat industry glossary, which BTW I find is quite handy for dealing with such appetizing menu items as ox brains with onions.

                                              Divadelni slovnik is also useful. Once you get used to the fact that some pages are printed upside down (check carefully before you buy - I've noticed quite a few printing errors in these glossaries), you'll find quite a bit of useful inside information. The only other glossary on the subject that I have come across was about five times more expensive and it had loads of filler.

                                              I don't know the fields involved well enough to point out any inaccuracies. Of course, because of the obvious lexicographical shortcomings, one is naturally on one's guard, but I think some of these glossaries are worth shelling out CZK 43.

                                              M.
                                            • Jan Rozek
                                              Hello, FWIW, fabion is sometimes used in building jargon for exactly the same - smooth curved transition from a wall to the ceiling, without the inner hard
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                                                Hello,

                                                FWIW, "fabion" is sometimes used in building jargon for exactly the
                                                same - smooth curved transition from a wall to the ceiling, without the
                                                inner hard edge. That would probably be the "koutovy fabion" - mortar
                                                fillet found by Zdenek.

                                                Jan

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                                                But perhaps
                                                this 'fabion' can be used for other things as well...
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