Help: Term: PRIZIVNICTVI
does anybody know the proper legalese word for the above term? I
found "parasitism" in Chroma's Law Dictionary, and got a few hits for
it on Google (among the millions on biology), although I don't know
whether it is really used correctly in a legal context.
The few remotely relevant contexts I found on the internet are, for
"Not only did this legitimize the badgering of Roma from towns and
villages, but it also compelled the Roma to live in "a nomadic life
and in isolated cases to make a living by parasitism [described as]
fortune telling, magical healing, and theft."
There are some sites talking about "economic parasitism", but that's
not really it. What is spoken of in my text is the "crime" of being
unemployed, persecuted by the former communist regime.
Could anyone help?
- Maybe the closest in AE would be what used to be considered the "crime"
of vagrancy -- moving about without any visible means of support. See,
e.g., http://www.encyclopedia.com/html/v1/vagrancy.asp. If it's against
Roma now, I'd call it "vagrancy." If you want the period/régime flavor,
then maybe "social parasitism" would still be good.
- --- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com, "Lucie Formankova <formanl@c...>" <formanl@c...> wrote:
> There are some sites talking about "economic parasitism", but that's
> not really it. What is spoken of in my text is the "crime" of being
> unemployed, persecuted by the former communist regime.
The great age of my Poldauf/Pynsent dictionary (published 1986) might actually come in useful here:
Prizivnictvi: [prav.] social parasitism
I think you'd have to go quite a long way back into history to find a native English legal term for the "crime" of being a 'sturdy beggar' (zast. zdravy clovek stitici se prace - Hais Hodek). 'Social parasitism' has a nice officious Stalinist ring to it IMHO.
- Speech on vagrancy, from 1893:
>Maybe not so far. See, e.g., http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/faqs.htm for current
>I think you'd have to go quite a long way back into history to find a native English legal term for the "crime" of being a 'sturdy beggar' (zast. zdravy clovek stitici se prace - Hais Hodek).
FBI use of "vagrancy," the classical (common law, pre-statutory or
pre-codification) definition of which is basically in line with the
definition of pr(í~ivnictví. Mind, I think most courts would still agree
such laws are void, but they're still on the books.
> 'Social parasitism' has a nice officious Stalinist ring to it IMHO.Agreed; although it also has a nice officious right-wing conservative
ring to it, too. :-)
Yours having recently rented The Manchurian Candidate on those pesky
- And, not to make it an AE/BE thing,
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/stats/bulletins/00157-04.asp (reference to
prevention of crimes and vagrancy);
http://www.greenparty.org.uk/policy/mfss/crime.html, saying that "The
Green Party calls for the repeal of the Vagrancy Act 1824 because it is
open to abuse by police and government. It discriminates against
homeless people and wrongly labels them as criminals when their plight
is a social problem"; and
(giving 1989 ## of convictions for begging and "sleeping out" under the
Yours, usually not guilty of "sleeping in public" except at the orchestra
(N.B. This is just for fun -- I agree that "social parasitism" is a
- --- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com, Michael Trittipo <tritt002@t...> wrote:
>'Vagrancy' is certainly a good idea too, particularly when applied to people with an itinerant lifestyle. The problem for me is that most people do associate it with vagabondage and wandering around, whereas I have been a social security 'scrounger' (or 'gentleman of leisure' as my father referred to me) for many pleasant months without moving further than the dole office.
> (N.B. This is just for fun -- I agree that "social parasitism" is a
> good term.)
> 'Vagrancy' is certainly a good idea too, particularly when appliedto people with an itinerant lifestyle. The problem for me is that
most people do associate it with vagabondage and wandering around,
whereas I have been a social security 'scrounger' (or 'gentleman of
leisure' as my father referred to me) for many pleasant months
without moving further than the dole office.
>FWIW, the new(ish) Oxford Dictionary of Law has this to say about
vagrant (n): A person classified under the Vagrancy Act 1824 as
an "idle and disorderly person", a "rogue and vagabond" or
an "incorrigible rogue". The first of these groups includes pedlars
who trade without a licence, prostitutes who behave indecently in a
public place, and those who beg in a public place. Rogues and
vagabonds include those with a second conviction for being idle and
disorderly, those who collect charity under false pretences, and
tramps who do not make use of available places of shelter.
Incorrigible rogues include those with a second conviction for being
rogues and vagabonds. Vagrants are usually liable to imprisonment
for between one month and one year depending on which class they
fall under, although beggars and tramps sleeping rough are liable
only to fines. The Act also provides for various powers to search
them or their property.
I am not sure how helpful this is but I thought I'd post it anyway.
I wonder if AE statutebooks are quite as quaint (I particularly
like "incorrigible rogue")
- ccmc> I wonder if AE statutebooks are quite as quaint (I particularly
ccmc> like "incorrigible rogue")
On some of these crimes, yes. "Sleeping out" is a heck of a crime. But
given the question, I'm a bit embarrassed to have to confess to NOT
having looked on the Westlaw CD that's now sitting back at the office
while I'm at home. I'd checked it for "perfidy," but not this.
In the meantime, though, in case it may help, I see that the
Anglicko-Slovensky Slovensko-Anglicky Pravnicky Slovnik (Stefan
Franko, Presov 1995) gives "prizivnik: parasite, sponger, vagrant" and
gives "vagrant: potulny, prizivnik."
- Many thanks to Melvyn, Coilin, and Michael for their help with this
term. I decided to use "social parasitism", because to my
mind, "vagrancy" had this "movement" connotation to it that is not
really applicable in my context.
> In the meantime, though, in case it may help, I see that the
> Anglicko-Slovensky Slovensko-Anglicky Pravnicky Slovnik (Stefan
> Franko, Presov 1995) gives "prizivnik: parasite, sponger, vagrant"
> gives "vagrant: potulny, prizivnik."
> Michael mailto:tritt002@t...
- --- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com, "Lucie Formankova wrote:
> . . . decided to use "social parasitism" . . ..Excellent choice.
Just for interest's sake (to follow up on my admission of not having
looked at the statutes yesterday, and on someone else's question about
whether the term is still used in AE statutes as it is in the UK),
here's a current definition from the set of statutes I know best
(chapter 609 being the criminal code) (I especially like subdivision 4
about fortune telling making one a vagrant):
Minn.Stat.Ann. § 609.725:
Any of the following are vagrants and are guilty of a misdemeanor:
(1) A person, with ability to work, who is without lawful means of
support, does not seek employment, and is not under 18 years of age; or
(2) A person found in or loitering near any structure, vehicle, or
private grounds who is there without the consent of the owner and is
unable to account for being there; or
(3) A prostitute who loiters on the streets or in a public place or
in a place open to the public with intent to solicit for immoral
(4) A person who derives support in whole or in part from begging or
as a fortune teller or similar impostor."
For Czechlisters' amusement (or outrage, or whatever other reaction it
may inspire, depending on one's inclinations or sympathies), here is a
copy of the drafting committee's comments:
"Ever since the breakdown of the feudal system, Anglo-American
society appears to have had its residue of persons not fitting into
the social structure. Though able, they do not work, do not want to
work, have no family ties, belong to no neighborhood, live on what is
discarded by others or by theft or begging, and often move from one
locality to another. They are the inhabitants of skid row.
The laws on vagrancy have been developed to deal with this class of
persons. Such laws have existed from about the 14th century and a
peculiar characteristic of them has been that they punish being such a
person rather than an act committed by him. Hence such phrases as
"lives in idleness," "without visible means of support," "unable to
give a good account of himself," etc.
This offense has usually been made a misdemeanor. Since these
persons seldom can pay fines, punishment has consisted in confinement
in the workhouse, frequently suspended on condition of getting out of
For the police, such laws have several advantages:
[list omitted by MAT]
. . .
While the statutes of the several states have much in common, in
detail they vary greatly. Generally speaking they center about (1)
idleness without "visible means of support" or "unable to give a good
account of himself;" (2) common prostitutes; (3) beggars; (4)
loiterers; and (5) sleeping in buildings or out of doors. Not an
isolated instance but the habit of doing these things constitutes the
doer a vagrant."