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Re: [Czechlist] Havel's speeches, WAS [IS GOING TO BE] FAQ: How to translate Havel

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  • Matej Klimes
    Hmm, the second posting with additional info made it online before the first with the original.... here it is again, sorry if this makes a multiple posting...
    Message 1 of 1 , Jan 2, 2003
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      Hmm, the second posting with additional info made it online before the first
      with the original....

      here it is again, sorry if this makes a multiple posting...

      Hi list,

      I translated a couple of things for Havel's office recently (incredible how
      skimpy they are) - an article for The Finnancial Times, a NATO Summit Press
      Conferrence, and now his last NY address (how many of you watched?)....

      While the two former were straightforward enough (if such a thing exists
      with Havel speaking or writting) and the only thing I had to do was to think
      of how an English-speaking journalist would write them and go into
      media-cliche-mode, the latter one was a bit difficult...

      As always with Havel, it was very wordy and intellectual, although not as
      good as his early speeches. I choose the approach I somethimes use when I
      want to make sure the target text will not suffer from me inserting false
      (non-native speaker) English ideas in it - I translated it fairly close to
      what it said in the Czech version (not verbatim, but not changing the
      sentence structure or logic as much as one should do in order to make it
      sound natural English) - and then had a NS proofread and edit it - hoping
      that we'll end somewhere between Havel's complicated and wordy version and
      what would be a natural English-speaking politician's speech.

      Just before I did the final edit and sent it off on 31st, I panicked and
      started thinking that it still sounded too Czech and complicated. We had a
      somewhat heated discussion with my girlfriend (who often interprets for
      Havel) over how much should one change:

      - Her approach would be to only use sentences/way things are said that an
      English NS and a politician would use in a speech, i.e. the closest
      speech-bits-one-hears-often to what Havel was actually saying (or what we
      thought he was saying:) - which, in my opninion, while it would make the
      speech sound better, would also make it a "Bush-speech" (written by someone
      on his team, good and professional, but full of buzzwords, pathos, a bit
      predictible and boring - unless he gets carried off during one of his "holy
      war" proclamations, or makes a silly mistake, but that's another story)....

      - I argued that would be going too far. I do use a similar technique when
      translating most of my stuff - technical docs, journalism or PR pieces
      (think of how a NS working in the relevant field would say something the
      Czech doc is saying and then write it, no matter if I end up with quite a
      different sentence structure, etc. - the meaning and "correct style" for
      that field is the most important thing - of course it doesn't work for all
      areas, certain types of legal stuff, for example...).

      I do think that a bit more could have been done to the "Czechness" of the
      speech, but it was difficult because Havel hardly ever uses sentences
      shorter than one paragraph and since he usually builds them up to a
      gradation, they are extremely difficult to break up and still retain all the
      meaning. I didn't do much in the end as it was due in a couple of hours and
      I'd probably end up changing every sentence and it would require another
      proof.... All we did was to get rid of Havel's favourite multiple "dear
      friends, dear fellow citizens, etc. etc." and, thanks to the proofreader,
      changed the way we said some things English speakers wouldn't understand...

      The speech doesn't seem to have been published much in its entirety,
      (luckily?)...

      I would appreciate comments on what you think the correct approach would be
      and/or examples of better translations of parts of the text.

      Czech Version:
      http://www.hrad.cz/president/Havel/speeches/2003/0101.html

      English version:
      http://www.hrad.cz/president/Havel/speeches/2003/0101_uk.html

      Enjoy

      Matej


      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "Matej Klimes" <mklimes@...>
      To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 2:22 PM
      Subject: [Czechlist] Havel's speeches


      > Seems we're having another slow day at Yahoogroups......
      >
      > Please note that the little rectangles throughout the English version of
      the
      > speech on the castle's website are not an attempt at a new approach to
      > typesetting - they are simply results of bad .html conversion of what MS
      > Word does with "--", oh well, can't expect the poor IT lads to to do much
      > more than ctrl+c, ctrl+v, can we?
      >
      > Matej
      >
      >
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      >
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      >
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