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51591Re: Vejminek

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  • Petr
    May 7, 2013
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      Podle mych znalosti vejminek neni (vetsinou) samostatna budova, nybrz mistnost nebo mistnosti, ktere muze stary hospodar (s manzelkou) obyvat v synove dome, na ktereho budovu prevedl.
      Slovo "vejminek" pochazi od toho, ze si otec v prevodni smlouve u notare <>vyminil<>, ktere casti domu muze vyuzivat (mistnost k bydleni, kuchyni, zachod, koupelnu, pokud tam byla, apod.) Jinak se totiz stavalo, ze syn si od otce nemovitost vzal a pak otce (a matku) vyhodil s tim, at si otec jde kam chce, jeho ze to nezajima.
      Je to dukaz toho, ze na vesnici vubec nepanovaly idylicke pomery.
      Petr Adamek
      --- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com, "Matej Klimes" <mklimes@...> wrote:
      > In old Czech village speak (which you should be famillar with Melvyn,
      > with all those statky on your naves in Zehrovice), vejminek/vymenek is
      > IMHO a house, usually separate or tacked onto another farmyard
      > building, where the old farmer and his wife goes to live when the farm
      > is handed-over to the eldest (or whichever) son, i.e. when they
      > 'retire'.. they are usually still taking part in the daily going-ons
      > and helping with whatever until they are very old, but they have their
      > own place to live and don't get into the younger ones' hair that
      > much... a very sensible arrangement..
      > The rent/pension that comes with it would be quite an old thing, in
      > 19-20th Century I guess their pensions would have been taken care of
      > pension funds/savings, and they would get food and help from the rest
      > of the family, but the term wouldn't be applied to money/support, but
      > the building... that's how it worked on my Gran's farm, which was
      > buildings-only (no farming except for own use) ever since Granddad got
      > on the wrong side of a German gun during Heydrichiada and then the
      > whole thing was taken-over by JZD.. the vymenek was a separate building
      > across from the main building, funnily enough my uncle, the youngest
      > son and the only one who stayed there, moved in with his family and
      > Gran stayed in the main building..
      > As for an English term 'Estate retirement cottage' sounds a bit as if
      > the estate/the farm is actually huge - like one of those English
      > manors/whatever, containing half the County, and the cottage is some
      > sort of little thing hidden somewhere in the woods or by the village..
      > In Czecho, farms - the ones that were private as opposed to
      > church/noble family-owned are usually more compact, an enclosed yard
      > with buildings pretty much all around.. and vymenek/vejminek would be
      > one of these... where I am now, it was a rather small thing tacked onto
      > an end of a row of stables, at my Gran's it was a separate and quite a
      > substantial red brick house.. but it's almost always sort of in balance
      > with the rest of the buildings, calling it cottage would suggest a)
      > remoteness and b) smallness that isn't there ion typical Czech
      > settings..
      > I would go for something like the retirement house (sounds like an
      > institution, right?), the old farmer's house? Anything that sounds
      > normal and describes what it is without suggesting too much feudalism
      > grandeur (unles of course the time and scale this refers to is actually
      > feudalism)..
      > Still at the main building and not likely to be shuffled into vejminek
      > (which had to be torn-down as the Commie JZD people used it as an
      > impromptu kitchen for pig feed and it had rotten away from inside)..
      > Matej
      > ------ Original Message ------
      > From: "Melvyn" <zehrovak@...>
      > To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: 7.5.2013 11:40:21
      > Subject: [Czechlist] Re: Vejminek
      > > Hi Zdenek,
      > >
      > >This the kind of thing you are looking for?
      > >
      > >http://familienverband-tritschler.de/index.php?id=85&L=1
      > >
      > >BR
      > >
      > >Melvyn
      > >
      > >
      > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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