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  • Sarka Rubkova
    Mar 23, 2013
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      I have to say that I have not received Mr. Procházka’s mail at all. When I looked for it I found that my spam firewall put it (probably very rightly) into the spam box.

      Besides, Mr. Procházka, this isn’t basically a public forum as you believe


      From: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Czechlist@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Foren - Helga
      Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:25 AM
      To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com
      Subject: Re: [Czechlist] Re: Professional opportunity

      Right, some of the information I would like to know is actually on the
      website (even though kind of hidden).
      True is also, that I believed my statement regarding the "prominent
      placement" of such information is contained in all legislations (of
      "advanced" countries) to be true. Well, as I found out, it actually is
      only for the EU (EU legislation) and some other countries. In the US
      this is "only" a "should be", even though more or less all "advanced"
      companies do have this information on a "prominent place" on their
      websites (usually in the footer of each and every page of their website).
      Since you reside in the UK, I probably do not need to say, that even
      there such info has to be placed "prominently". Here´s
      some reading material in this regard.

      The comment, that I probably did not research well enough puzzles me!
      The company might want me, the translator, or me, the client, and does
      not bother providing me with the most essential company details in a way
      that I can find them immediately, within 20 seconds after landing on
      their website?!
      So it takes only two clicks? Fine, actually three, but ONLY if I know
      where to look for them! And, frankly spoken, under the tag "Contact
      Support" I understand the contact details for Support, not the Company
      Details as such.

      Further, why on earth would I look the company up on ProZ? I have no
      intention to work with them! I was only curious after the first harsh
      comment from your side. So I wanted to see myself what is and what is
      not on that site.

      Mr. Prochazka, even though I firmly believe that you are only trying to
      defend the name and position of Gengo, I still think it might be a good
      idea to look at the issue from an outside perspective, and re-evaluate
      your statements.

      Best, Helga

      Am 22.03.2013 01:12, schrieb Vít Procházka:
      > Gentlemen
      > (and madam).
      > I have
      > been, indeed, reading all of your contributions.
      > My intention
      > was to answer them politely, accurately and non-offensively, but the
      > goal has becoming
      > increasingly difficult due to the unfounded accusations and biased
      > cherry-picking. I will do my best, though.
      > At Helga:
      > it takes about two clicks to get to the Contact details (Contact
      > Support>Office
      > Addresses and Directions), which clearly state company headquarters
      > including
      > physical address. It takes about two clicks to access company´s BlueBoard
      > record on proz.com. As you can see, we average 4,8 there. Obviously we
      > cannot
      > be that bad. Perhaps your research skills are what is suspicious here?
      > By the
      > way, can you quote a law that requires the company to publish their
      > Companies
      > Register and/or Registration Number on their promotional webpage to
      > me, please?
      > At Mihail:
      > you are publicly accusing a legal entity as well as a physical person of a
      > fraud and illegal misconduct. Without any facts or evidence. Please
      > reconsider.
      > I am merely asking at this point, because I used to believe that
      > freelancers are polite
      > professionals who strive to be objective, accurate and respectful.
      > At Tomas
      > and James: I take you criticism to the heart, as there is some merit
      > to it. We
      > do, indeed, use crowd-sourcing (and it is a cost-effective solution).
      > As for
      > the pricing, due to the fact that we do have some demands on quality
      > and we do
      > indeed try to snag some professional translators, as opposed to only
      > “kids and bilingual
      > chit-chat ladies”, you are fully entitled to criticize our rates.
      > But please
      > consider this:
      > As you are
      > professionals, I am not addressing you for the Standard but for the
      > Pro level
      > (0,08 USD per word for the translator). Please consider that
      > proz.com´s Average rates reported
      > by language pair clearly state 0,11 USD per word for the EN-CZ pair,
      > Standard rate,
      > 0,08 USD per word, Minimum rate. So we are minimum, alright. The
      > company avoids
      > highly specialized texts (such as technical, legal and medical
      > translation), so
      > even the Pro level of the translation is probably somewhat easier than
      > your regular
      > work. The jobs are posted on the web interface, with email
      > notifications, and
      > in case you are interested, you simply snatch them there (or not) -
      > gone is the
      > interpersonal need to accept the job, lest the Project Manager never
      > contacts
      > you again in the future. Payment is every 15 days, which is an
      > improvement on
      > the average 30-45. The jobs are often very short and you can pick a
      > volume which
      > suits you. These facts make it an easy, flexible work without much of
      > a need
      > for commitment. Thus, they present a good opportunity to fill in your
      > idle time
      > that would otherwise go wasted while you wait for your regular, larger
      > contracts.
      > It might be
      > that every single member of this group has an unwavering massive
      > income high
      > above the reported average. If so, then I have simply made the mistake of
      > poorly choosing my territory and I stand corrected. My apologies.
      > But there
      > might be also a person or two, who (still) works for the Czech translation
      > agencies and gets paid some 0,04 USD per word for highly specialized
      > texts 45
      > days after the invoice and cannot afford to reject their PM lest they
      > get no work at all. For them, this might actually be some improvement.
      > Time will
      > tell.
      > Thank you for the ride.
      > V.P.
      > ________________________________
      > From: Gerald Turner <turner.gerald@... <mailto:turner.gerald%40gmail.com>
      > <mailto:turner.gerald%40gmail.com>>
      > To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Czechlist%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:Czechlist%40yahoogroups.com>
      > Sent: Friday, March 22, 2013 12:16 AM
      > Subject: Re: [Czechlist] Re: Professional opportunity
      > Bravo. My sentiments exactly.
      > Gerry
      > On 21 March 2013 20:06, Tomas Mosler
      > <mailto:tomas.mosler%40centrum.cz> wrote:
      > > **
      > >
      > >
      > > Dear Mr. Prochazka,
      > >
      > > If you or your company charge $0.06 per a word to the end customer (in
      > > case of Standard translation), I wonder what "best rate" are you
      > expecting
      > > to pay to the translator.
      > >
      > > A decent translator might indeed be a rare thing if the rates are less
      > > than decent.
      > >
      > > Best regards
      > > Tomas Mosler
      > >
      > > --- In mailto:Czechlist%40yahoogroups.com, "prochazka.translations"
      > > <prochazka.translations@...> wrote:
      > > >
      > > > Dear fellow translators,
      > > >
      > > > I would like to contribute some value to this group by offering a
      > > professional/translation opportunity!
      > > >
      > > > I have been recently entrusted with the task of building and
      > managing an
      > > EN-CZ language pair for Gengo (http://www.gengo.com/) and we're
      > trying to acquire
      > > some new translators before we open the pair.
      > > >
      > > > From my test-checking experience so far, only 10 % of applicants
      > > accurately and naturally convey the meaning of the English original with
      > > minimal grammatical errors. This has clearly shown me that a decent
      > > translator is a rare thing indeed!
      > > >
      > > > If you feel up to the challenge, we'd love for you to take our test.
      > > Make sure you understand the minimum quality expectations as well as
      > > working terms and conditions outlined here:
      > > >
      > > > http://gengo.com/translator-team/become-a-translator/
      > > >
      > > > I look forward to our future cooperation!
      > > >
      > > > Vít Procházka
      > > > Gengo Senior Translator
      > >
      > >
      > >
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