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  • Charlie Stanford Translations
    May 2 1:22 AM
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      Perhaps you are right in certain contexts Valerie, but in business Chairman seems much more widespread. Christine Lagarde for instance is referred to as "Chairman of the IMF", Irene Rosenfeld is "Chairman of (the Board at) Kraft", Meg Whitman is "Chairman of the Board at eBay", Indra Nooyi is "Chairman of the Board at Pepsi" - you hardly ever find them referred to as Chairwoman. Try Googling their names followed by Chairman or Chairwoman and you will see what I mean.
      Charlie

      ----- Original Message -----
      From: Valerie Talacko
      To: czechlist@...
      Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 10:06 AM
      Subject: Re: [Czechlist] Predsedkyne predstavenstva



      Using -woman instead of -man is completely normal practice in English,
      e.g. kinsman, kinswoman.

      >From the King James Bible:

      "And behold, Elisabeth thy kinswoman..."
      "Say unto wisdom, Thou art my sister; and call understanding thy
      kinswoman"

      Valerie

      On Wed, 2012-05-02 at 09:54 +0200, "Charlie Stanford Translations"
      wrote:
      > Perhaps I am wrong and out-of-touch but I don't think women usually mind being referred to as "Madame Chairman" - to me it sounds much more natural than "Madame Chairwoman" and I always just use chairman, irrespective of gender.
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      > Here is what Maggie Thatcher had to say about it (perhaps not the most feminine of sources...) in a speech to the Conservative Women's Conference: 'Conservative women are above all practical. They do not attempt to advance women's rights by addressing you, Madame Chairman, as Madame Chairperson or Madame Chair, or worse, simply as Chair. With feminists like that who needs male chauvinists?'
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      > ----- Original Message -----
      > From: Matej Klimes
      > To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2012 9:31 AM
      > Subject: Re: [Czechlist] Re: Predsedkyne predstavenstva
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      > Thanks Liz,
      >
      > this is just a one-off in an article intro, but good to know.
      >
      > I've gone with -woman
      >
      > M
      > ------ Original Message ------
      > From: "Liz" <spacils@...>
      > To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com
      > Sent: 2.5.2012 9:24:41
      > Subject: [Czechlist] Re: Predsedkyne predstavenstva
      > > Hi Matej,
      > >
      > >IMO, consistency what's most important: either Chairman for males and
      > >Chairwoman for females, OR Chairperson for all genders.
      > >
      > >Chairman for males and Chairperson for females makes my upper lip curl.
      > >
      > >Another gender-neutral form, "Chair", is used widely (and
      > >consistently) in academia.
      > >
      > >Someone once tried to explain to me that the -man in Chairman is from
      > >the Latin "manus" (hand), making "Chairman" gender-neutral, but that
      > >seems to be one of those popular urban myths...
      > >
      > >Cheers
      > >
      > >Liz
      > >
      > >--- In Czechlist@yahoogroups.com, "Matej Klimes" <mklimes@...> wrote:
      > >>
      > >> In a quote or an article introduction (i.e. Predsedkyne
      > >predstavenstva
      > >> spolecnosti XX Mrs YY), would you say Chairwoman or Chairperson??
      > >>
      > >> Some sources including Forbes use Chairwoman, seems more natural...
      > >> what do you think?
      > >>
      > >> Thanks
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      > >> M
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