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46877Re[3]: [Czechlist] Creative translation contest: Lichoz^routi, Lichac^e

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  • Matej Klimes
    Aug 3, 2011
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      That's exactly my thinking...

      I don't mind 'odd-sock eaters' and you're right, the odd-bit is
      important/adds character to it.. it may be inherently present in
      sock-eaters as Jamie explains (I've never lost two socks from the same
      pair), but I'd like to have it in the name...

      I guess I needed to check how different things sound to native ears and
      what associations do they bring up... but as always that's very
      individual...

      Keep it up though, I'm sure we'll come up with something...

      M
      ------ Original Message ------
      From: "Charlie Stanford Translations"
      <charliestanfordtranslations@...>
      To: Czechlist@yahoogroups.com
      Sent: 3.8.2011 14:15:59
      Subject: Re: Re: [Czechlist] Creative translation contest:
      Lichoz^routi, Lichac^e
      >I didn't realise it was a Yiddish word (I suppose it sounds it) but I think
      >that Kent is right that it is pretty much used across the English-speaking
      >world. I quite like "sock-noshers". Maybe "sock munchers". I might be in a
      >bit of a minority but I think there is poetry in the term "odd sock" and
      >don't know why you don't like it Matej - I realise that it is a bit
      >long-winded to have to keep saying "odd-sock eaters" but "odd sock" sounds
      >great in English with all those harsh sounds and short vowels and "odd-sock
      >eaters" is quick to say and sounds funny which is important. Half the fun
      >of the whole idea of course is that they only chomp one of your socks and
      >looking at "Sockeaters" I am not sure if that would be immediately
      >apparent - perhaps it would in the US.
      >
      >
      >----- Original Message -----
      >From: "Kent Christopher Kasha" <kasha@...>
      >To: <Czechlist@yahoogroups.com>
      >Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 1:28 PM
      >Subject: Re: Re: [Czechlist] Creative translation contest: Lichoz^routi,
      >Lichac^e
      >
      >
      >Yeah, it came into the English language through Yiddish, though its roots
      >are in German, as a lot of Yiddish words are, I guess. I always say that if
      >a prairie boy from the plains of Saskatchewan knows what it is, then most
      >people in the English-speaking world probably do! :) But I guess it could be
      >a bit more obscure. I thought it seemed to flow a bit, but using the word
      >nosh too often in the book could get a bit tiresome. So I think the best
      >ideas are sockeater or sock-troll, in my humble opinion.
      >
      >Stephan von Pohl <stephan.pohl@...> napsal(a):
      >
      >>
      >>Jamie,
      >>
      >>Yes, this type of creature exists, just like the little trolls who hide
      >>your car keys all the time. But I've never come across them actually
      >>having a name. We never called them "sockeaters" (in the US). At least
      >>not in the sense that they had a name: we would just make jokes about
      >>the creatures that ate our socks.
      >>
      >>Kent: Sock-noshers is nice. But maybe a little too specific (most but
      >>not all people know what "to nosh" means, but it still smacks a little
      >>too much of New York Jewish)
      >>
      >>Steve
      >>
      >>On 8/3/2011 1:28 PM, James Kirchner wrote:
      >>> Matej, this type of "being" already exists in American "folklore" and in
      >>> the English language (at least in the US).
      >>>
      >>> Every American knows that there is a creature in every dryer called "the
      >>> Sock Eater" that eats one sock in a pair and leaves the other one.
      >>>
      >>> So if you call these books/films simply "The Sock Eaters", every
      >>> American will know immediately that it's about creatures who get into
      >>> the laundry and eat just one sock from a pair.
      >>>
      >>> Jamie
      >>>
      >>> On Aug 3, 2011, at 7:01 AM, Matej Klimes wrote:
      >>>
      >>> > Hi there,
      >>> >
      >>> > a client asked me to review/improve the English translation of a
      >>> title
      >>> > of a book/upcoming film...
      >>> >
      >>> > It started life as a series of children books about weird 'beings'
      >>> who
      >>> > are responsible for the disappearance of single socks out of pairs of
      >>> > socks..... now they are making it into a 3D animation, do a google
      >>> text
      >>> > and image search for Lichozrouti and you'll get the idea... the story
      >>> > (and the aesthetics) are a bit of a KUKY rip-off by the looks of it..
      >>> >
      >>> > Here's bits of text that explains the thing (hope diacritics come
      >>> > through OK):
      >>> >
      >>> > ...vždyť každému na světě se alespoň jednou ztratila ponožka!
      >>> > ...no řekni, není to téma na román?
      >>> >
      >>> > Takhle jsem se před časem zeptala spisovatele Pavla Šruta,
      >>> > když jsme za sebou měli už řadu společných, kritikou i čtenáři
      >>> > uvítaných knih pro děti. A tak vznikli Lichožrouti, knižní
      >>> bestseller, který posbíral řadu cen a zvedl vlnu
      >>> > ohlasů na internetu i v knihovnách a na školách, jak jsme se osobně
      >>> > mohli přesvědčit. Kdekdo měl ty své lichožrouty doma a vyprávěl nám
      >>> > tu svou historku o ztracených ponožkách. Ten zájem si vynutil
      >>> > i pokračování - Lichožrouti se vracejí. A také audioverzi Lichožroutů
      >>> v podání Báry
      >>> > Hrzánové.
      >>> > Kniha se pro internacionální srozumitelnost tématu začala překládat
      >>> do
      >>> > cizích jazyků.
      >>> > Všichni, včetně mne, chtěli o těch, kteří dělají z párů licháče,
      >>> vědět
      >>> > víc. A chtěli je vidět.
      >>> >
      >>> >
      >>> > The books are by Pavel Srut and are apparently quite popular, they
      >>> have
      >>> > been translated (possibly by Srut himself, he's also a translator)...
      >>> > AFAIK they've been using two translations of the title:
      >>> >
      >>> > - the odd-sock eaters (IMHO that's a bit long, literal and
      >>> 'unpoetic'),
      >>> > but it says what they do... there's no poetry or mystique like in the
      >>> > Czech title..
      >>> >
      >>> > - the odd-eaters - I like this one better, but the meaning IMHO leans
      >>> > toward 'divnozrouti' (odd being both lichy and divny), which I think
      >>> > would be OK, except I checked it online and here's what come up,
      >>> among
      >>> > other things:
      >>> >
      >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vy-ncbUPg-s
      >>> >
      >>> > Now is that the meaning that first comes into native minds, or is the
      >>> > word 'odd-eaters' sort of open-ended?
      >>> >
      >>> > I must say I didn't get the full meaning of 'Lichozrouti' until I
      >>> read
      >>> > the text above... on its own, it sounds mysterious and poetic, but
      >>> > doesn't give you the full idea of pairs of socks being parted...
      >>> >
      >>> > To me, the first translation above is sort of boring, descriptive,
      >>> too
      >>> > long and too literal - not suited for a film title (plus the
      >>> characters
      >>> > will be called that in the film... I think something a little
      >>> snappier
      >>> > is needed)...
      >>> >
      >>> > The second one is much better, it leaves things to imagination a
      >>> little
      >>> > - just as the Czech title does... but I'm worried about other
      >>> > meanings/associations (why doesn't English have a word for an odd
      >>> > number that doesn't also mean 'weird'?)...
      >>> >
      >>> > Thanks for comments..
      >>> >
      >>> > Of course if you get any ideas about other routes that could be taken
      >>> > re: Lichoz^routi and Lichac^e (ex-pairs of socks that have become
      >>> > halves/only the odd one remains [or is it the even one??], see
      >>> > explanation above), I'm all ears...
      >>> >
      >>> >
      >>> > Starting with 'uneven' for lichy (isn't that too
      >>> > bookish/old-fashioned?).... could we do something like:
      >>> >
      >>> > uneven-eaters
      >>> > uneveners
      >>> > unevenators
      >>> >
      >>> > ???
      >>> >
      >>> > Are there other words that could be used (impair????
      >>> > impairers/unpairers)???
      >>> >
      >>> > TIAVM for comments and suggestions
      >>> >
      >>> > Matej
      >>> >
      >>> >
      >>> >
      >>> >
      >>> >
      >>> >
      >>> >
      >>> >
      >>> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      >>> >
      >>> >
      >>>
      >>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
      >>>
      >>>
      >>
      >>
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