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  • ultramagneus
    ok, im new to the cybiko, i chose to get a few because i dont think that has the mesh networking capabilities it has. anyhow, a few questions before i start 1)
    Message 1 of 17 , May 6, 2006
      ok, im new to the cybiko, i chose to get a few because i dont think
      that has the mesh networking capabilities it has.

      anyhow, a few questions before i start

      1) can you overcharge either the classic or the xtreme? or will it
      stop charging the batteries once they are fully charged?

      2) what can you program this thing in? im sorta used to VB6, but im
      relativly new to programming anyway.

      3) related to the previous question, how differnt is C to whatever
      BASICs there are for the cybiko?

      thanks in advance!
    • Andrew Murphy
      Well the battery.. yes you can over charge it. Even though it says its full you can over charge it still. This is writen in basic C i think, so LOOP and ECHO
      Message 2 of 17 , May 6, 2006
        Well the battery.. yes you can over charge it. Even though it says its full you can over charge it still.

        This is writen in basic C i think, so LOOP and ECHO and stuff

        BASIC is BASIC, its the same on the Amiga Platform, Windows Platform etc if you wish to write in Basic. "Amiga Basic"

        ultramagneus wrote:
        ok, im new to the cybiko, i chose to get a few because i dont think
        that has the mesh networking capabilities it has.

        anyhow, a few questions before i start

        1) can you overcharge either the classic or the xtreme? or will it
        stop charging the batteries once they are fully charged?

        2) what can you program this thing in? im sorta used to VB6, but im
        relativly new to programming anyway.

        3) related to the previous question, how differnt is C to whatever
        BASICs there are for the cybiko?

        thanks in advance!




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      • Bryan Pope
        I m you re familiar with VB, you should try Greg Smith s B2C. You ll still need the SDK but there is plenty of example code to get used to it.
        Message 3 of 17 , May 6, 2006
          I'm you're familiar with VB, you should try Greg Smith's B2C. You'll still
          need the SDK but there is plenty of example code to get used to it.

          http://thinkable.us/phpbb2/

          ----- Original Message -----
          From: "ultramagneus" <ultramagneus@...>
          To: <CybikoDev@yahoogroups.com>
          Sent: Saturday, May 06, 2006 6:14 AM
          Subject: [CybikoDev] couple of noobish questions


          ok, im new to the cybiko, i chose to get a few because i dont think
          that has the mesh networking capabilities it has.

          anyhow, a few questions before i start

          1) can you overcharge either the classic or the xtreme? or will it
          stop charging the batteries once they are fully charged?

          2) what can you program this thing in? im sorta used to VB6, but im
          relativly new to programming anyway.

          3) related to the previous question, how differnt is C to whatever
          BASICs there are for the cybiko?

          thanks in advance!







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        • Spooky
          Ultramagneus, When the Chicago-based Russian engineers from Moscow who designed these fascinating gadgets for Mr. Mark Menarik (the Cybiko inventor from India)
          Message 4 of 17 , May 6, 2006
            Ultramagneus,
            When the Chicago-based Russian engineers from Moscow who designed
            these fascinating gadgets for Mr. Mark Menarik (the Cybiko inventor
            from India) power supply design was not high priority (i.e. buy new
            batteries from Cybiko - right?). So the flat rechargeable batteries
            suck (Duh?). The charging system does too. You'd have to make an
            outboard system for the batteries like maybe a radio shack 4-AA
            Alkaline 6vdc ext. battey holder and velcro it to back of Cybiko. Or
            you could insert 2-AAA directly into the back but don't try to
            recharge Alkalines with this system. Yes certain mfgs. Alkalines can
            be recharged with special equipment. Some mfgs. put a blocking diode
            to prevent "dollar-saving" recharging. Capitalism in action! :-)

            Your *MESH networking idea is not that unique but 'actually' doing it
            with a "project manager's" flourish is. These little gadgets are ripe
            for mesh. Today's wireless big boys call this MESH thing Disruptive
            Technology. As it will disrupt the $$$ flow to their corp. deep
            pockets. Do you care if big corps make more $$$ than Exxon? Nah!

            (*MESH http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_mesh_network )

            And your right in your thinking. IMO its only about programming to
            make it all happen. They operate near the cell/cordless phone freqs
            in the 900-Mhz band (they freqhop like cell phones too). There's not
            a lot of affordable private-sector equipment (in this particular RF
            band) you could use on the market that can "work with" this band due
            to the federal anti-cell/cordless phone monitoring laws so you'd have
            to build this with all Cybikos as mesh nodes (versus xcvrs, police
            scanners, cell scanners, spectrum analyzers, etc). I too bought a
            crap-load of Cybiko Classics from a big short-sighted retailer
            wanting to trash them to do this same project too but I ain't got no
            deep pockets or PMs to motivate me. Maybe you do as why do this
            project?

            There is a wonderful CYBIKO developers forum out there that has a Ham
            radio guy member named "Alex" who is really into this. He has
            deveolped a C routine to turn the RF output power UP a bit and a
            bunch of other routines to do remote base serial communcations with a
            computer or HAM radio xcvr. There is another guy there who has
            developed remote internet browsing and soon email using Cybiko. I
            forget the web site URL.

            Cybiko BASIC is not totally like the classic "Dartmouth" BASIC. It
            does have some limitations over the classic BASIC language you may be
            familiar with. CybikoBasicLite (LITE) IMO is sightly different from
            the CybikoBasic so be careful with that. The dll you need (radio.dll)
            to make this MESH thing work is available at that website but it only
            works with LITE! I don't know why. They also have C compiler there
            for download but don't think you can get the radio.dll to compile. It
            won't I tried. You'd have to build it in LITE with calls to it. I
            have some simple LITE code for a simple Simplex digital repeater I
            was dabbling with but have been proscrastinating on.

            You could write your own radio.dll in C but good luck with the Cybiko
            documentation. You'd have to know Menarik, one of the Russian
            engineers, or this HAM radio dude who wrote it (Alex) but he and
            others are asking $$$ for documetation and software (i'm really into
            FREEware). Plus you'd have be a Xtreme C programmer like them. Well I
            guess if your a VB6'r you might be a XTremer? :-) I'm still at VB5
            and refuse to move up as I'm fine where I am right now.

            (*Xtreme - I mean hacker slang "extreme" programmer not the Cybiko
            Xtreme Ultra ;->)

            Let me know if you want to hobbyist mode brainstorm together on this.
            It would be a great amatuer hobbyist project for this forum and the
            other one. It will convince the gamer enthusiats that Cybikos are not
            just gamer-toys. They can actually be used for something more useful
            like non-verbal communication tools (i.e. 2-way pagers, poor man's
            Blackberry & Treo, Digi-Nets (HAM PacketRadio), IM nodes, etc.). IMO
            only needs a less "new-age" funky-shaped chassis. I'm into
            rectangular design of the 60's and 70's . Radio Shack has the project
            cases I would like to see my Cybiko in. Check out this awesome and new
            (AMREL Corp) wireless PDA for the military
            http://www.amrel.com/federal_military_computer/asipdf/PDA.pdf . Check
            out that awesome rectanlinear shape!

            However, if your thinking something more "commercialistic" then I
            suggest you forget it as there is something called US &
            international "patents" and "copyrights". However, Menarik is looking
            for partners right now http://www.tancher.com/opportunity.htm .
            However there are no job openings unless you can read this site:
            http://www.tancher.com/index_rus.htm (pun intended).

            Spooky

            P.S. - I just GOOGLE'D the forum website I was referring to above.
            It's http://devcybiko.us but reading quickly through the forum posts
            there it looks like the original site was severly hacked last month!
            The Cybiko dude I was talking about above was "Greg Smith" the site
            moderator. He is a really cool guy as I am a member there too. It's
            unfortunate about this as all of the other past CYBIKO sites
            (including the official one) went away over time. Presently Mr.
            Menarik is trying to roll-out a new adult PDA product (TanCher
            http://www.tancher.com ) to rival Blackberrys and Treos. Maybe he's
            doing this to make his old toy to just go away? Only a W.A.G. on my
            part Mark (if your out there)!!! So that's just IMO now so call off
            the hungry "Esquire" hounds... :->

            --- In CybikoDev@yahoogroups.com, "ultramagneus" <ultramagneus@...>
            wrote:
            >
            > ok, im new to the cybiko, i chose to get a few because i dont think
            > that has the mesh networking capabilities it has.
            >
            > anyhow, a few questions before i start
            >
            > 1) can you overcharge either the classic or the xtreme? or will it
            > stop charging the batteries once they are fully charged?
            >
            > 2) what can you program this thing in? im sorta used to VB6, but im
            > relativly new to programming anyway.
            >
            > 3) related to the previous question, how differnt is C to whatever
            > BASICs there are for the cybiko?
            >
            > thanks in advance!
            >
          • ultramagneus
            thanks all for your replies. wow, this place is alot more active than the two cybiko forums by the looks of it, i was beginning to think the cybiko comunity
            Message 5 of 17 , May 6, 2006
              thanks all for your replies.
              wow, this place is alot more active than the two cybiko forums by the
              looks of it, i was beginning to think the cybiko comunity was dead.

              i will look into B2C, as well as cybikobasiclight and cybasic.

              Spooky, i dont know if you got the wrong end of what i was saying, but
              i was not planning on expanding on the cybikos networking
              capabilities, i was actually just referring to they cybikos standard
              networking as being close to "mesh" networking, and that they are the
              only consumer device capable of such. although, i was planning on
              extending the range of the wireless of atleast one cybiko, to use as a
              long distance base station.

              oh, and i had better mention now that i am in the UK, so my cybiko
              works on 868-870Mhz instead of the american 900mhz.

              i did consider making an amplifier for the cybikos wireless, but the
              high frequency scope and spectrum analiser are far too expensive. so
              i will probabally stick with just making an antenna (and possibly
              sticking it on my roof)

              right, so it can overcharge, will have to look into perhaps
              integrating overcharge protection into the cybiko then... hmm or at
              very least building a docking station with it inbuilt, of course to do
              that i would have to add a port to the bottom of the cybiko or xtreme
              that directly connects to the battery.

              i was never thinking about this in a "commercialistic" way, its just a
              hobby project.

              i am in no way an "extreme" programmer, up untill recently i have been
              alot more into hardware than software, and am relativly new to
              programming.

              although i was not intending to persue this project to a large scale
              level, seeing that there is still an active comunity for the cybiko
              might just change my mind :-)

              i do get your point about it looking like a "gaming gadget" to alot of
              people, this was probabally down to the original marketing (i still
              find it hard to say "Xtreme" without feeling like a 10 year old
              AOLer), i have no intrest in this facet of the cybiko, im much more
              intrested in the indipendent and aparantly very robust nature of the
              cybiko networking, and its other uses, such as serial terminals ect.

              well, thanks for reassuring me there is still a small (but perfectly
              formed ;-) ) cybiko comunity out there!

              --- In CybikoDev@yahoogroups.com, "Spooky" <spooky@...> wrote:
              >
              > Ultramagneus,
              > When the Chicago-based Russian engineers from Moscow who designed
              > these fascinating gadgets for Mr. Mark Menarik (the Cybiko inventor
              > from India) power supply design was not high priority (i.e. buy new
              > batteries from Cybiko - right?). So the flat rechargeable batteries
              > suck (Duh?). The charging system does too. You'd have to make an
              > outboard system for the batteries like maybe a radio shack 4-AA
              > Alkaline 6vdc ext. battey holder and velcro it to back of Cybiko. Or
              > you could insert 2-AAA directly into the back but don't try to
              > recharge Alkalines with this system. Yes certain mfgs. Alkalines can
              > be recharged with special equipment. Some mfgs. put a blocking diode
              > to prevent "dollar-saving" recharging. Capitalism in action! :-)
              >
              > Your *MESH networking idea is not that unique but 'actually' doing it
              > with a "project manager's" flourish is. These little gadgets are ripe
              > for mesh. Today's wireless big boys call this MESH thing Disruptive
              > Technology. As it will disrupt the $$$ flow to their corp. deep
              > pockets. Do you care if big corps make more $$$ than Exxon? Nah!
              >
              > (*MESH http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_mesh_network )
              >
              > And your right in your thinking. IMO its only about programming to
              > make it all happen. They operate near the cell/cordless phone freqs
              > in the 900-Mhz band (they freqhop like cell phones too). There's not
              > a lot of affordable private-sector equipment (in this particular RF
              > band) you could use on the market that can "work with" this band due
              > to the federal anti-cell/cordless phone monitoring laws so you'd have
              > to build this with all Cybikos as mesh nodes (versus xcvrs, police
              > scanners, cell scanners, spectrum analyzers, etc). I too bought a
              > crap-load of Cybiko Classics from a big short-sighted retailer
              > wanting to trash them to do this same project too but I ain't got no
              > deep pockets or PMs to motivate me. Maybe you do as why do this
              > project?
              >
              > There is a wonderful CYBIKO developers forum out there that has a Ham
              > radio guy member named "Alex" who is really into this. He has
              > deveolped a C routine to turn the RF output power UP a bit and a
              > bunch of other routines to do remote base serial communcations with a
              > computer or HAM radio xcvr. There is another guy there who has
              > developed remote internet browsing and soon email using Cybiko. I
              > forget the web site URL.
              >
              > Cybiko BASIC is not totally like the classic "Dartmouth" BASIC. It
              > does have some limitations over the classic BASIC language you may be
              > familiar with. CybikoBasicLite (LITE) IMO is sightly different from
              > the CybikoBasic so be careful with that. The dll you need (radio.dll)
              > to make this MESH thing work is available at that website but it only
              > works with LITE! I don't know why. They also have C compiler there
              > for download but don't think you can get the radio.dll to compile. It
              > won't I tried. You'd have to build it in LITE with calls to it. I
              > have some simple LITE code for a simple Simplex digital repeater I
              > was dabbling with but have been proscrastinating on.
              >
              > You could write your own radio.dll in C but good luck with the Cybiko
              > documentation. You'd have to know Menarik, one of the Russian
              > engineers, or this HAM radio dude who wrote it (Alex) but he and
              > others are asking $$$ for documetation and software (i'm really into
              > FREEware). Plus you'd have be a Xtreme C programmer like them. Well I
              > guess if your a VB6'r you might be a XTremer? :-) I'm still at VB5
              > and refuse to move up as I'm fine where I am right now.
              >
              > (*Xtreme - I mean hacker slang "extreme" programmer not the Cybiko
              > Xtreme Ultra ;->)
              >
              > Let me know if you want to hobbyist mode brainstorm together on this.
              > It would be a great amatuer hobbyist project for this forum and the
              > other one. It will convince the gamer enthusiats that Cybikos are not
              > just gamer-toys. They can actually be used for something more useful
              > like non-verbal communication tools (i.e. 2-way pagers, poor man's
              > Blackberry & Treo, Digi-Nets (HAM PacketRadio), IM nodes, etc.). IMO
              > only needs a less "new-age" funky-shaped chassis. I'm into
              > rectangular design of the 60's and 70's . Radio Shack has the project
              > cases I would like to see my Cybiko in. Check out this awesome and new
              > (AMREL Corp) wireless PDA for the military
              > http://www.amrel.com/federal_military_computer/asipdf/PDA.pdf . Check
              > out that awesome rectanlinear shape!
              >
              > However, if your thinking something more "commercialistic" then I
              > suggest you forget it as there is something called US &
              > international "patents" and "copyrights". However, Menarik is looking
              > for partners right now http://www.tancher.com/opportunity.htm .
              > However there are no job openings unless you can read this site:
              > http://www.tancher.com/index_rus.htm (pun intended).
              >
              > Spooky
              >
              > P.S. - I just GOOGLE'D the forum website I was referring to above.
              > It's http://devcybiko.us but reading quickly through the forum posts
              > there it looks like the original site was severly hacked last month!
              > The Cybiko dude I was talking about above was "Greg Smith" the site
              > moderator. He is a really cool guy as I am a member there too. It's
              > unfortunate about this as all of the other past CYBIKO sites
              > (including the official one) went away over time. Presently Mr.
              > Menarik is trying to roll-out a new adult PDA product (TanCher
              > http://www.tancher.com ) to rival Blackberrys and Treos. Maybe he's
              > doing this to make his old toy to just go away? Only a W.A.G. on my
              > part Mark (if your out there)!!! So that's just IMO now so call off
              > the hungry "Esquire" hounds... :->
              >
              > --- In CybikoDev@yahoogroups.com, "ultramagneus" <ultramagneus@>
              > wrote:
              > >
              > > ok, im new to the cybiko, i chose to get a few because i dont think
              > > that has the mesh networking capabilities it has.
              > >
              > > anyhow, a few questions before i start
              > >
              > > 1) can you overcharge either the classic or the xtreme? or will it
              > > stop charging the batteries once they are fully charged?
              > >
              > > 2) what can you program this thing in? im sorta used to VB6, but im
              > > relativly new to programming anyway.
              > >
              > > 3) related to the previous question, how differnt is C to whatever
              > > BASICs there are for the cybiko?
              > >
              > > thanks in advance!
              > >
              >
            • Andrew Murphy
              O.o a roof antenna? I ll buy one :D Only once in my life have I ever found another cybiko and that was in a passing car. ... I can just imagine it now though
              Message 6 of 17 , May 6, 2006
                O.o a roof antenna? I'll buy one :D

                Only once in my life have I ever found another cybiko and that was in a passing car.

                ----------


                I can just imagine it now though saying about the frequencies. I'm in the UK as well. I wonder if we got a cybiko on 900mhz what stuff it would accept and reject being on O2/Vodafone's frequency.

                --------

                ultramagneus wrote:
                thanks all for your replies.
                wow, this place is alot more active than the two cybiko forums by the
                looks of it, i was beginning to think the cybiko comunity was dead.

                i will look into B2C, as well as cybikobasiclight and cybasic.

                Spooky, i dont know if you got the wrong end of what i was saying, but
                i was not planning on expanding on the cybikos networking
                capabilities, i was actually just referring to they cybikos standard
                networking as being close to "mesh" networking, and that they are the
                only consumer device capable of such.  although, i was planning on
                extending the range of the wireless of atleast one cybiko, to use as a
                long distance base station.

                oh, and i had better mention now that i am in the UK, so my cybiko
                works on 868-870Mhz instead of the american 900mhz.

                i did consider making an amplifier for the cybikos wireless, but the
                high frequency scope and spectrum analiser are far too expensive.  so
                i will probabally stick with just making an antenna (and possibly
                sticking it on my roof)

                right, so it can overcharge, will have to look into perhaps
                integrating overcharge protection into the cybiko then... hmm  or at
                very least building a docking station with it inbuilt, of course to do
                that i would have to add a port to the bottom of the cybiko or xtreme
                that directly connects to the battery.

                i was never thinking about this in a "commercialistic" way, its just a
                hobby project.

                i am in no way an "extreme" programmer, up untill recently i have been
                alot more into hardware than software, and am relativly new to
                programming.

                although i was not intending to persue this project to a large scale
                level, seeing that there is still an active comunity for the cybiko
                might just change my mind :-)

                i do get your point about it looking like a "gaming gadget" to alot of
                people, this was probabally down to the original marketing (i still
                find it hard to say "Xtreme" without feeling like a 10 year old
                AOLer), i have no intrest in this facet of the cybiko, im much more
                intrested in the indipendent and aparantly very robust nature of the
                cybiko networking, and its other uses, such as serial terminals ect.

                well, thanks for reassuring me there is still a small (but perfectly
                formed ;-) ) cybiko comunity out there!

                --- In CybikoDev@yahoogroups.com, "Spooky" <spooky@...> wrote:
                >
                > Ultramagneus,
                > When the Chicago-based Russian engineers from Moscow who designed
                > these fascinating gadgets for Mr. Mark Menarik (the Cybiko inventor
                > from India) power supply design was not high priority (i.e. buy new
                > batteries from Cybiko - right?). So the flat rechargeable batteries
                > suck (Duh?). The charging system does too. You'd have to make an
                > outboard system for the batteries like maybe a radio shack 4-AA
                > Alkaline 6vdc ext. battey holder and velcro it to back of Cybiko. Or
                > you could insert 2-AAA directly into the back but don't try to
                > recharge Alkalines with this system. Yes certain mfgs. Alkalines can
                > be recharged with special equipment. Some mfgs. put a blocking diode
                > to prevent "dollar-saving" recharging. Capitalism in action! :-)
                >
                > Your *MESH networking idea is not that unique but 'actually' doing it
                > with a "project manager's" flourish is. These little gadgets are ripe
                > for mesh. Today's wireless big boys call this MESH thing Disruptive
                > Technology. As it will disrupt the $$$ flow to their corp. deep
                > pockets. Do you care if big corps make more $$$ than Exxon? Nah!
                >
                > (*MESH http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_mesh_network )
                >
                > And your right in your thinking. IMO its only about programming to
                > make it all happen. They operate near the cell/cordless phone freqs
                > in the 900-Mhz band (they freqhop like cell phones too). There's not
                > a lot of affordable private-sector equipment (in this particular RF
                > band) you could use on the market that can "work with" this band due
                > to the federal anti-cell/cordless phone monitoring laws so you'd have
                > to build this with all Cybikos as mesh nodes (versus xcvrs, police
                > scanners, cell scanners, spectrum analyzers, etc). I too bought a
                > crap-load of Cybiko Classics from a big short-sighted retailer
                > wanting to trash them to do this same project too but I ain't got no
                > deep pockets or PMs to motivate me. Maybe you do as why do this
                > project?
                >
                > There is a wonderful CYBIKO developers forum out there that has a Ham
                > radio guy member named "Alex" who is really into this. He has
                > deveolped a C routine to turn the RF output power UP a bit and a
                > bunch of other routines to do remote base serial communcations with a
                > computer or HAM radio xcvr. There is another guy there who has
                > developed remote internet browsing and soon email using Cybiko. I
                > forget the web site URL.
                >
                > Cybiko BASIC is not totally like the classic "Dartmouth" BASIC. It
                > does have some limitations over the classic BASIC language you may be
                > familiar with. CybikoBasicLite (LITE) IMO is sightly different from
                > the CybikoBasic so be careful with that. The dll you need (radio.dll)
                > to make this MESH thing work is available at that website but it only
                > works with LITE! I don't know why. They also have C compiler there
                > for download but don't think you can get the radio.dll to compile. It
                > won't I tried. You'd have to build it in LITE with calls to it. I
                > have some simple LITE code for a simple Simplex digital repeater I
                > was dabbling with but have been proscrastinating on.
                >
                > You could write your own radio.dll in C but good luck with the Cybiko
                > documentation. You'd have to know Menarik, one of the Russian
                > engineers, or this HAM radio dude who wrote it (Alex) but he and
                > others are asking $$$ for documetation and software (i'm really into
                > FREEware). Plus you'd have be a Xtreme C programmer like them. Well I
                > guess if your a VB6'r you might be a XTremer? :-) I'm still at VB5
                > and refuse to move up as I'm fine where I am right now.
                >
                > (*Xtreme - I mean hacker slang "extreme" programmer not the Cybiko
                > Xtreme Ultra ;->)
                >
                > Let me know if you want to hobbyist mode brainstorm together on this.
                > It would be a great amatuer hobbyist project for this forum and the
                > other one. It will convince the gamer enthusiats that Cybikos are not
                > just gamer-toys. They can actually be used for something more useful
                > like non-verbal communication tools (i.e. 2-way pagers, poor man's
                > Blackberry & Treo, Digi-Nets (HAM PacketRadio), IM nodes, etc.). IMO
                > only needs a less "new-age" funky-shaped chassis. I'm into
                > rectangular design of the 60's and 70's . Radio Shack has the project
                > cases I would like to see my Cybiko in. Check out this awesome and new
                > (AMREL Corp) wireless PDA for the military
                > http://www.amrel.com/federal_military_computer/asipdf/PDA.pdf . Check
                > out that awesome rectanlinear shape!
                >
                > However, if your thinking something more "commercialistic" then I
                > suggest you forget it as there is something called US &
                > international "patents" and "copyrights". However, Menarik is looking
                > for partners right now http://www.tancher.com/opportunity.htm .
                > However there are no job openings unless you can read this site:
                > http://www.tancher.com/index_rus.htm (pun intended).
                >
                > Spooky
                >
                > P.S. - I just GOOGLE'D the forum website I was referring to above.
                > It's http://devcybiko.us but reading quickly through the forum posts
                > there it looks like the original site was severly hacked last month!
                > The Cybiko dude I was talking about above was "Greg Smith" the site
                > moderator. He is a really cool guy as I am a member there too. It's
                > unfortunate about this as all of the other past CYBIKO sites
                > (including the official one) went away over time. Presently Mr.
                > Menarik is trying to roll-out a new adult PDA product (TanCher
                > http://www.tancher.com ) to rival Blackberrys and Treos. Maybe he's
                > doing this to make his old toy to just go away? Only a W.A.G. on my
                > part Mark (if your out there)!!! So that's just IMO now so call off
                > the hungry "Esquire" hounds... :->
                >
                > --- In CybikoDev@yahoogroups.com, "ultramagneus" <ultramagneus@>
                > wrote:
                > >
                > > ok, im new to the cybiko, i chose to get a few because i dont think
                > > that has the mesh networking capabilities it has.
                > >
                > > anyhow, a few questions before i start
                > >
                > > 1) can you overcharge either the classic or the xtreme? or will it
                > > stop charging the batteries once they are fully charged?
                > >
                > > 2) what can you program this thing in? im sorta used to VB6, but im
                > > relativly new to programming anyway.
                > >
                > > 3) related to the previous question, how differnt is C to whatever
                > > BASICs there are for the cybiko?
                > >
                > > thanks in advance!
                > >
                >





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              • Bryan Pope
                Spooky, Just so you know, the Ham radio guy merely used an already existing undocumented function that was already in the SDK s header files to increase rf
                Message 7 of 17 , May 7, 2006
                  Spooky,
                  Just so you know, the Ham radio guy merely used an already existing
                  undocumented function that was already in the SDK's header files to increase
                  rf power. He was the 1st to put it to use. I made a similar program that
                  used 1/10 the space (flash is important to my unexpanded Cybiko). Most of
                  the size of his was implementing Greg Smith's raised 3D-like graphics API.

                  ...
                  There is a wonderful CYBIKO developers forum out there that has a Ham
                  radio guy member named "Alex" who is really into this. He has
                  deveolped a C routine to turn the RF output power UP a bit and a
                  bunch of other routines to do remote base serial communcations with a
                  computer or HAM radio xcvr. There is another guy there who has
                  developed remote internet browsing and soon email using Cybiko. I
                  forget the web site URL.
                  ...
                • Trevor Burdick
                  i believe the person you re referring to is this one: http://kr1st.com/ ===================================== http://pocketpcapps.net skype: greytrev ... From:
                  Message 8 of 17 , May 7, 2006
                    i believe the person you're referring to is this one:
                    =====================================
                    http://pocketpcapps.net
                    skype: greytrev


                    ----- Original Message ----
                    From: Bryan Pope <athlor@...>
                    To: CybikoDev@yahoogroups.com
                    Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2006 6:57:39 AM
                    Subject: Re: [CybikoDev] Re: couple of noobish questions

                    Spooky,
                        Just so you know, the Ham radio guy merely used an already existing
                    undocumented function that was already in the SDK's header files to increase
                    rf power. He was the 1st to put it to use. I made a similar program that
                    used 1/10 the space (flash is important to my unexpanded Cybiko). Most of
                    the size of his was implementing Greg Smith's raised 3D-like graphics API.

                    ...
                    There is a wonderful CYBIKO developers forum out there that has a Ham
                    radio guy member named "Alex" who is really into this. He has
                    deveolped a C routine to turn the RF output power UP a bit and a
                    bunch of other routines to do remote base serial communcations with a
                    computer or HAM radio xcvr. There is another guy there who has
                    developed remote internet browsing and soon email using Cybiko. I
                    forget the web site URL.
                    ...



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                  • Spooky
                    Yur correct Bryan... ... existing ... increase ... that ... Most of ... graphics API. ... Ham ... a
                    Message 9 of 17 , May 7, 2006
                      Yur correct Bryan...
                      --- In CybikoDev@yahoogroups.com, "Bryan Pope" <athlor@...> wrote:
                      >
                      > Spooky,
                      > Just so you know, the Ham radio guy merely used an already
                      existing
                      > undocumented function that was already in the SDK's header files to
                      increase
                      > rf power. He was the 1st to put it to use. I made a similar program
                      that
                      > used 1/10 the space (flash is important to my unexpanded Cybiko).
                      Most of
                      > the size of his was implementing Greg Smith's raised 3D-like
                      graphics API.
                      >
                      > ...
                      > There is a wonderful CYBIKO developers forum out there that has a
                      Ham
                      > radio guy member named "Alex" who is really into this. He has
                      > deveolped a C routine to turn the RF output power UP a bit and a
                      > bunch of other routines to do remote base serial communcations with
                      a
                      > computer or HAM radio xcvr. There is another guy there who has
                      > developed remote internet browsing and soon email using Cybiko. I
                      > forget the web site URL.
                      > ...
                      >
                    • Spooky
                      Yup trevor that is him. Alex I think his first name is. He has done some pretty amazing things ith a cybiko and a ham radio. So ULTRA check out his web site if
                      Message 10 of 17 , May 7, 2006
                        Yup trevor that is him. Alex I think his first name is. He has done
                        some pretty amazing things ith a cybiko and a ham radio. So ULTRA
                        check out his web site if you want to dive into meshing up your
                        cybiko. :-)
                        --- In CybikoDev@yahoogroups.com, Trevor Burdick <greytrev@...> wrote:
                        >
                        > i believe the person you're referring to is this one:
                        > http://kr1st.com/
                        >
                        > =====================================
                        > http://pocketpcapps.net
                        > skype: greytrev
                        >
                        >
                        > ----- Original Message ----
                        > From: Bryan Pope <athlor@...>
                        > To: CybikoDev@yahoogroups.com
                        > Sent: Sunday, May 7, 2006 6:57:39 AM
                        > Subject: Re: [CybikoDev] Re: couple of noobish questions
                        >
                        > Spooky,
                        > Just so you know, the Ham radio guy merely used an already
                        existing
                        > undocumented function that was already in the SDK's header files to
                        increase
                        > rf power. He was the 1st to put it to use. I made a similar program
                        that
                        > used 1/10 the space (flash is important to my unexpanded Cybiko).
                        Most of
                        > the size of his was implementing Greg Smith's raised 3D-like
                        graphics API.
                        >
                        > ...
                        > There is a wonderful CYBIKO developers forum out there that has a
                        Ham
                        > radio guy member named "Alex" who is really into this. He has
                        > deveolped a C routine to turn the RF output power UP a bit and a
                        > bunch of other routines to do remote base serial communcations with
                        a
                        > computer or HAM radio xcvr. There is another guy there who has
                        > developed remote internet browsing and soon email using Cybiko. I
                        > forget the web site URL.
                        > ...
                        >
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                      • Spooky
                        Ultra, A omni roof aerial is easy as a Cybikos full wavelength is 13 (idunno metric?). A 5/8 wave is about 8 . You ll need some 50 ohm coax (Rg58au?). If you
                        Message 11 of 17 , May 7, 2006
                          Ultra,
                          A omni roof aerial is easy as a Cybikos full wavelength is 13"
                          (idunno metric?). A 5/8 wave is about 8". You'll need some 50 ohm
                          coax (Rg58au?). If you want to make a cool cantenna out of a soup or
                          coffee can you can make a highly directive waveguide. A Yagi could be
                          made from a wire coat hanger. Or try a large metal bowl as a
                          parabolic reflector. I'm using a soup can right now for my wi-fi
                          (much higher freq than cybiko)in a parking lot in America somewhere...

                          Did you know that the Cybiko has a sniffer app? You could use that as
                          a poor man's analyzer tool for checking the band while doing tweaks.
                          Some spy-stores sell rf sniffers up to a coupla' ghz. If you can
                          afford Winradio from australia ($500+ US) you can recieve up to 1.5
                          ghz on your pc. I think you can make it do spectrum analysis too.

                          Battery power: The cybiko is 3vdc in the internal battery case and
                          the batteries get recharged if a power supply is plugged in. The
                          input on the side is 6vdc. I noticed that nothing is lost when
                          unplugged as I guess it uses flash memory (a form of eeprom).

                          If you want some detailed data on Cybiko from the FCC like
                          schematics, block diagrams, and rf testing data go here:
                          http://tinyurl.com/ar48h

                          Ideally my hobby project would be to set up a Cybiko group IM net
                          with a smart digi-repeater for extra range for a group of people in a
                          small geographical area much like a blackberry or treo. IOW people
                          would send messages to the central digipeater by its sid and it would
                          be repeated to everybody as a group message. Inividual directed msgs
                          could be codified within the text string.

                          Spooky


                          --- In CybikoDev@yahoogroups.com, "ultramagneus" <ultramagneus@...>
                          wrote:
                          >
                          > thanks all for your replies.
                          > wow, this place is alot more active than the two cybiko forums by
                          the
                          > looks of it, i was beginning to think the cybiko comunity was dead.
                          >
                          > i will look into B2C, as well as cybikobasiclight and cybasic.
                          >
                          > Spooky, i dont know if you got the wrong end of what i was saying,
                          but
                          > i was not planning on expanding on the cybikos networking
                          > capabilities, i was actually just referring to they cybikos standard
                          > networking as being close to "mesh" networking, and that they are
                          the
                          > only consumer device capable of such. although, i was planning on
                          > extending the range of the wireless of atleast one cybiko, to use
                          as a
                          > long distance base station.
                          >
                          > oh, and i had better mention now that i am in the UK, so my cybiko
                          > works on 868-870Mhz instead of the american 900mhz.
                          >
                          > i did consider making an amplifier for the cybikos wireless, but the
                          > high frequency scope and spectrum analiser are far too expensive.
                          so
                          > i will probabally stick with just making an antenna (and possibly
                          > sticking it on my roof)
                          >
                          > right, so it can overcharge, will have to look into perhaps
                          > integrating overcharge protection into the cybiko then... hmm or at
                          > very least building a docking station with it inbuilt, of course to
                          do
                          > that i would have to add a port to the bottom of the cybiko or
                          xtreme
                          > that directly connects to the battery.
                          >
                          > i was never thinking about this in a "commercialistic" way, its
                          just a
                          > hobby project.
                          >
                          > i am in no way an "extreme" programmer, up untill recently i have
                          been
                          > alot more into hardware than software, and am relativly new to
                          > programming.
                          >
                          > although i was not intending to persue this project to a large scale
                          > level, seeing that there is still an active comunity for the cybiko
                          > might just change my mind :-)
                          >
                          > i do get your point about it looking like a "gaming gadget" to alot
                          of
                          > people, this was probabally down to the original marketing (i still
                          > find it hard to say "Xtreme" without feeling like a 10 year old
                          > AOLer), i have no intrest in this facet of the cybiko, im much more
                          > intrested in the indipendent and aparantly very robust nature of the
                          > cybiko networking, and its other uses, such as serial terminals ect.
                          >
                          > well, thanks for reassuring me there is still a small (but perfectly
                          > formed ;-) ) cybiko comunity out there!
                          >
                          > --- In CybikoDev@yahoogroups.com, "Spooky" <spooky@> wrote:
                          > >
                          > > Ultramagneus,
                          > > When the Chicago-based Russian engineers from Moscow who designed
                          > > these fascinating gadgets for Mr. Mark Menarik (the Cybiko
                          inventor
                          > > from India) power supply design was not high priority (i.e. buy
                          new
                          > > batteries from Cybiko - right?). So the flat rechargeable
                          batteries
                          > > suck (Duh?). The charging system does too. You'd have to make an
                          > > outboard system for the batteries like maybe a radio shack 4-AA
                          > > Alkaline 6vdc ext. battey holder and velcro it to back of Cybiko.
                          Or
                          > > you could insert 2-AAA directly into the back but don't try to
                          > > recharge Alkalines with this system. Yes certain mfgs. Alkalines
                          can
                          > > be recharged with special equipment. Some mfgs. put a blocking
                          diode
                          > > to prevent "dollar-saving" recharging. Capitalism in action! :-)
                          > >
                          > > Your *MESH networking idea is not that unique but 'actually'
                          doing it
                          > > with a "project manager's" flourish is. These little gadgets are
                          ripe
                          > > for mesh. Today's wireless big boys call this MESH thing
                          Disruptive
                          > > Technology. As it will disrupt the $$$ flow to their corp. deep
                          > > pockets. Do you care if big corps make more $$$ than Exxon? Nah!
                          > >
                          > > (*MESH http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_mesh_network )
                          > >
                          > > And your right in your thinking. IMO its only about programming
                          to
                          > > make it all happen. They operate near the cell/cordless phone
                          freqs
                          > > in the 900-Mhz band (they freqhop like cell phones too). There's
                          not
                          > > a lot of affordable private-sector equipment (in this particular
                          RF
                          > > band) you could use on the market that can "work with" this band
                          due
                          > > to the federal anti-cell/cordless phone monitoring laws so you'd
                          have
                          > > to build this with all Cybikos as mesh nodes (versus xcvrs,
                          police
                          > > scanners, cell scanners, spectrum analyzers, etc). I too bought a
                          > > crap-load of Cybiko Classics from a big short-sighted retailer
                          > > wanting to trash them to do this same project too but I ain't got
                          no
                          > > deep pockets or PMs to motivate me. Maybe you do as why do this
                          > > project?
                          > >
                          > > There is a wonderful CYBIKO developers forum out there that has a
                          Ham
                          > > radio guy member named "Alex" who is really into this. He has
                          > > deveolped a C routine to turn the RF output power UP a bit and a
                          > > bunch of other routines to do remote base serial communcations
                          with a
                          > > computer or HAM radio xcvr. There is another guy there who has
                          > > developed remote internet browsing and soon email using Cybiko. I
                          > > forget the web site URL.
                          > >
                          > > Cybiko BASIC is not totally like the classic "Dartmouth" BASIC.
                          It
                          > > does have some limitations over the classic BASIC language you
                          may be
                          > > familiar with. CybikoBasicLite (LITE) IMO is sightly different
                          from
                          > > the CybikoBasic so be careful with that. The dll you need
                          (radio.dll)
                          > > to make this MESH thing work is available at that website but it
                          only
                          > > works with LITE! I don't know why. They also have C compiler
                          there
                          > > for download but don't think you can get the radio.dll to
                          compile. It
                          > > won't I tried. You'd have to build it in LITE with calls to it. I
                          > > have some simple LITE code for a simple Simplex digital repeater
                          I
                          > > was dabbling with but have been proscrastinating on.
                          > >
                          > > You could write your own radio.dll in C but good luck with the
                          Cybiko
                          > > documentation. You'd have to know Menarik, one of the Russian
                          > > engineers, or this HAM radio dude who wrote it (Alex) but he and
                          > > others are asking $$$ for documetation and software (i'm really
                          into
                          > > FREEware). Plus you'd have be a Xtreme C programmer like them.
                          Well I
                          > > guess if your a VB6'r you might be a XTremer? :-) I'm still at
                          VB5
                          > > and refuse to move up as I'm fine where I am right now.
                          > >
                          > > (*Xtreme - I mean hacker slang "extreme" programmer not the
                          Cybiko
                          > > Xtreme Ultra ;->)
                          > >
                          > > Let me know if you want to hobbyist mode brainstorm together on
                          this.
                          > > It would be a great amatuer hobbyist project for this forum and
                          the
                          > > other one. It will convince the gamer enthusiats that Cybikos are
                          not
                          > > just gamer-toys. They can actually be used for something more
                          useful
                          > > like non-verbal communication tools (i.e. 2-way pagers, poor
                          man's
                          > > Blackberry & Treo, Digi-Nets (HAM PacketRadio), IM nodes, etc.).
                          IMO
                          > > only needs a less "new-age" funky-shaped chassis. I'm into
                          > > rectangular design of the 60's and 70's . Radio Shack has the
                          project
                          > > cases I would like to see my Cybiko in. Check out this awesome
                          and new
                          > > (AMREL Corp) wireless PDA for the military
                          > > http://www.amrel.com/federal_military_computer/asipdf/PDA.pdf .
                          Check
                          > > out that awesome rectanlinear shape!
                          > >
                          > > However, if your thinking something more "commercialistic" then I
                          > > suggest you forget it as there is something called US &
                          > > international "patents" and "copyrights". However, Menarik is
                          looking
                          > > for partners right now http://www.tancher.com/opportunity.htm .
                          > > However there are no job openings unless you can read this site:
                          > > http://www.tancher.com/index_rus.htm (pun intended).
                          > >
                          > > Spooky
                          > >
                          > > P.S. - I just GOOGLE'D the forum website I was referring to
                          above.
                          > > It's http://devcybiko.us but reading quickly through the forum
                          posts
                          > > there it looks like the original site was severly hacked last
                          month!
                          > > The Cybiko dude I was talking about above was "Greg Smith" the
                          site
                          > > moderator. He is a really cool guy as I am a member there too.
                          It's
                          > > unfortunate about this as all of the other past CYBIKO sites
                          > > (including the official one) went away over time. Presently Mr.
                          > > Menarik is trying to roll-out a new adult PDA product (TanCher
                          > > http://www.tancher.com ) to rival Blackberrys and Treos. Maybe
                          he's
                          > > doing this to make his old toy to just go away? Only a W.A.G. on
                          my
                          > > part Mark (if your out there)!!! So that's just IMO now so call
                          off
                          > > the hungry "Esquire" hounds... :->
                          > >
                          > > --- In CybikoDev@yahoogroups.com, "ultramagneus" <ultramagneus@>
                          > > wrote:
                          > > >
                          > > > ok, im new to the cybiko, i chose to get a few because i dont
                          think
                          > > > that has the mesh networking capabilities it has.
                          > > >
                          > > > anyhow, a few questions before i start
                          > > >
                          > > > 1) can you overcharge either the classic or the xtreme? or will
                          it
                          > > > stop charging the batteries once they are fully charged?
                          > > >
                          > > > 2) what can you program this thing in? im sorta used to VB6,
                          but im
                          > > > relativly new to programming anyway.
                          > > >
                          > > > 3) related to the previous question, how differnt is C to
                          whatever
                          > > > BASICs there are for the cybiko?
                          > > >
                          > > > thanks in advance!
                          > > >
                          > >
                          >
                        • Andrew Murphy
                          Heh. Where would I find this RF Sniffer for the cybiko? I personaly have a mini-mobile-phone-mast for my Wireless :D Perhaps i should nick a proper mast,
                          Message 12 of 17 , May 7, 2006
                            Heh. Where would I find this RF Sniffer for the cybiko? I personaly have a mini-mobile-phone-mast for my Wireless :D Perhaps i should nick a proper mast, shorten the aerial inside and try that on my wireless. LOL

                            Spooky wrote:
                            Ultra,
                            A omni roof aerial is easy as a Cybikos full wavelength is 13"
                            (idunno metric?). A 5/8 wave is about 8". You'll need some 50 ohm
                            coax (Rg58au?). If you want to make a cool cantenna out of a soup or
                            coffee can you can make a highly directive waveguide. A Yagi could be
                            made from a wire coat hanger. Or try a large metal bowl as a
                            parabolic reflector. I'm using a soup can right now for my wi-fi
                            (much higher freq than cybiko)in a parking lot in America somewhere...

                            Did you know that the Cybiko has a sniffer app? You could use that as
                            a poor man's analyzer tool for checking the band while doing tweaks.
                            Some spy-stores sell rf sniffers up to a coupla' ghz. If you can
                            afford Winradio from australia ($500+ US) you can recieve up to 1.5
                            ghz on your pc. I think you can make it do spectrum analysis too.

                            Battery power: The cybiko is 3vdc in the internal battery case and
                            the batteries get recharged if a power supply is plugged in. The
                            input on the side is 6vdc. I noticed that nothing is lost when
                            unplugged as I guess it uses flash memory (a form of eeprom).

                            If you want some detailed data on Cybiko from the FCC like
                            schematics, block diagrams, and rf testing data go here:
                            http://tinyurl.com/ar48h

                            Ideally my hobby project would be to set up a Cybiko group IM net
                            with a smart digi-repeater for extra range for a group of people in a
                            small geographical area much like a blackberry or treo. IOW people
                            would send messages to the central digipeater by its sid and it would
                            be repeated to everybody as a group message. Inividual directed msgs
                            could be codified within the text string.

                            Spooky


                            --- In CybikoDev@yahoogroups.com, "ultramagneus" <ultramagneus@...>
                            wrote:
                            >
                            > thanks all for your replies.
                            > wow, this place is alot more active than the two cybiko forums by
                            the
                            > looks of it, i was beginning to think the cybiko comunity was dead.
                            >
                            > i will look into B2C, as well as cybikobasiclight and cybasic.
                            >
                            > Spooky, i dont know if you got the wrong end of what i was saying,
                            but
                            > i was not planning on expanding on the cybikos networking
                            > capabilities, i was actually just referring to they cybikos standard
                            > networking as being close to "mesh" networking, and that they are
                            the
                            > only consumer device capable of such.  although, i was planning on
                            > extending the range of the wireless of atleast one cybiko, to use
                            as a
                            > long distance base station.
                            >
                            > oh, and i had better mention now that i am in the UK, so my cybiko
                            > works on 868-870Mhz instead of the american 900mhz.
                            >
                            > i did consider making an amplifier for the cybikos wireless, but the
                            > high frequency scope and spectrum analiser are far too expensive. 
                            so
                            > i will probabally stick with just making an antenna (and possibly
                            > sticking it on my roof)
                            >
                            > right, so it can overcharge, will have to look into perhaps
                            > integrating overcharge protection into the cybiko then... hmm  or at
                            > very least building a docking station with it inbuilt, of course to
                            do
                            > that i would have to add a port to the bottom of the cybiko or
                            xtreme
                            > that directly connects to the battery.
                            >
                            > i was never thinking about this in a "commercialistic" way, its
                            just a
                            > hobby project.
                            >
                            > i am in no way an "extreme" programmer, up untill recently i have
                            been
                            > alot more into hardware than software, and am relativly new to
                            > programming.
                            >
                            > although i was not intending to persue this project to a large scale
                            > level, seeing that there is still an active comunity for the cybiko
                            > might just change my mind :-)
                            >
                            > i do get your point about it looking like a "gaming gadget" to alot
                            of
                            > people, this was probabally down to the original marketing (i still
                            > find it hard to say "Xtreme" without feeling like a 10 year old
                            > AOLer), i have no intrest in this facet of the cybiko, im much more
                            > intrested in the indipendent and aparantly very robust nature of the
                            > cybiko networking, and its other uses, such as serial terminals ect.
                            >
                            > well, thanks for reassuring me there is still a small (but perfectly
                            > formed ;-) ) cybiko comunity out there!
                            >
                            > --- In CybikoDev@yahoogroups.com, "Spooky" <spooky@> wrote:
                            > >
                            > > Ultramagneus,
                            > > When the Chicago-based Russian engineers from Moscow who designed
                            > > these fascinating gadgets for Mr. Mark Menarik (the Cybiko
                            inventor
                            > > from India) power supply design was not high priority (i.e. buy
                            new
                            > > batteries from Cybiko - right?). So the flat rechargeable
                            batteries
                            > > suck (Duh?). The charging system does too. You'd have to make an
                            > > outboard system for the batteries like maybe a radio shack 4-AA
                            > > Alkaline 6vdc ext. battey holder and velcro it to back of Cybiko.
                            Or
                            > > you could insert 2-AAA directly into the back but don't try to
                            > > recharge Alkalines with this system. Yes certain mfgs. Alkalines
                            can
                            > > be recharged with special equipment. Some mfgs. put a blocking
                            diode
                            > > to prevent "dollar-saving" recharging. Capitalism in action! :-)
                            > >
                            > > Your *MESH networking idea is not that unique but 'actually'
                            doing it
                            > > with a "project manager's" flourish is. These little gadgets are
                            ripe
                            > > for mesh. Today's wireless big boys call this MESH thing
                            Disruptive
                            > > Technology. As it will disrupt the $$$ flow to their corp. deep
                            > > pockets. Do you care if big corps make more $$$ than Exxon? Nah!
                            > >
                            > > (*MESH http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_mesh_network )
                            > >
                            > > And your right in your thinking. IMO its only about programming
                            to
                            > > make it all happen. They operate near the cell/cordless phone
                            freqs
                            > > in the 900-Mhz band (they freqhop like cell phones too). There's
                            not
                            > > a lot of affordable private-sector equipment (in this particular
                            RF
                            > > band) you could use on the market that can "work with" this band
                            due
                            > > to the federal anti-cell/cordless phone monitoring laws so you'd
                            have
                            > > to build this with all Cybikos as mesh nodes (versus xcvrs,
                            police
                            > > scanners, cell scanners, spectrum analyzers, etc). I too bought a
                            > > crap-load of Cybiko Classics from a big short-sighted retailer
                            > > wanting to trash them to do this same project too but I ain't got
                            no
                            > > deep pockets or PMs to motivate me. Maybe you do as why do this
                            > > project?
                            > >
                            > > There is a wonderful CYBIKO developers forum out there that has a
                            Ham
                            > > radio guy member named "Alex" who is really into this. He has
                            > > deveolped a C routine to turn the RF output power UP a bit and a
                            > > bunch of other routines to do remote base serial communcations
                            with a
                            > > computer or HAM radio xcvr. There is another guy there who has
                            > > developed remote internet browsing and soon email using Cybiko. I
                            > > forget the web site URL.
                            > >
                            > > Cybiko BASIC is not totally like the classic "Dartmouth" BASIC.
                            It
                            > > does have some limitations over the classic BASIC language you
                            may be
                            > > familiar with. CybikoBasicLite (LITE) IMO is sightly different
                            from
                            > > the CybikoBasic so be careful with that. The dll you need
                            (radio.dll)
                            > > to make this MESH thing work is available at that website but it
                            only
                            > > works with LITE! I don't know why. They also have C compiler
                            there
                            > > for download but don't think you can get the radio.dll to
                            compile. It
                            > > won't I tried. You'd have to build it in LITE with calls to it. I
                            > > have some simple LITE code for a simple Simplex digital repeater
                            I
                            > > was dabbling with but have been proscrastinating on.
                            > >
                            > > You could write your own radio.dll in C but good luck with the
                            Cybiko
                            > > documentation. You'd have to know Menarik, one of the Russian
                            > > engineers, or this HAM radio dude who wrote it (Alex) but he and
                            > > others are asking $$$ for documetation and software (i'm really
                            into
                            > > FREEware). Plus you'd have be a Xtreme C programmer like them.
                            Well I
                            > > guess if your a VB6'r you might be a XTremer? :-) I'm still at
                            VB5
                            > > and refuse to move up as I'm fine where I am right now.
                            > >
                            > > (*Xtreme - I mean hacker slang "extreme" programmer not the
                            Cybiko
                            > > Xtreme Ultra ;->)
                            > >
                            > > Let me know if you want to hobbyist mode brainstorm together on
                            this.
                            > > It would be a great amatuer hobbyist project for this forum and
                            the
                            > > other one. It will convince the gamer enthusiats that Cybikos are
                            not
                            > > just gamer-toys. They can actually be used for something more
                            useful
                            > > like non-verbal communication tools (i.e. 2-way pagers, poor
                            man's
                            > > Blackberry & Treo, Digi-Nets (HAM PacketRadio), IM nodes, etc.).
                            IMO
                            > > only needs a less "new-age" funky-shaped chassis. I'm into
                            > > rectangular design of the 60's and 70's . Radio Shack has the
                            project
                            > > cases I would like to see my Cybiko in. Check out this awesome
                            and new
                            > > (AMREL Corp) wireless PDA for the military
                            > > http://www.amrel.com/federal_military_computer/asipdf/PDA.pdf .
                            Check
                            > > out that awesome rectanlinear shape!
                            > >
                            > > However, if your thinking something more "commercialistic" then I
                            > > suggest you forget it as there is something called US &
                            > > international "patents" and "copyrights". However, Menarik is
                            looking
                            > > for partners right now http://www.tancher.com/opportunity.htm .
                            > > However there are no job openings unless you can read this site:
                            > > http://www.tancher.com/index_rus.htm (pun intended).
                            > >
                            > > Spooky
                            > >
                            > > P.S. - I just GOOGLE'D the forum website I was referring to
                            above.
                            > > It's http://devcybiko.us but reading quickly through the forum
                            posts
                            > > there it looks like the original site was severly hacked last
                            month!
                            > > The Cybiko dude I was talking about above was "Greg Smith" the
                            site
                            > > moderator. He is a really cool guy as I am a member there too.
                            It's
                            > > unfortunate about this as all of the other past CYBIKO sites
                            > > (including the official one) went away over time. Presently Mr.
                            > > Menarik is trying to roll-out a new adult PDA product (TanCher
                            > > http://www.tancher.com ) to rival Blackberrys and Treos. Maybe
                            he's
                            > > doing this to make his old toy to just go away? Only a W.A.G. on
                            my
                            > > part Mark (if your out there)!!! So that's just IMO now so call
                            off
                            > > the hungry "Esquire" hounds... :->
                            > >
                            > > --- In CybikoDev@yahoogroups.com, "ultramagneus" <ultramagneus@>
                            > > wrote:
                            > > >
                            > > > ok, im new to the cybiko, i chose to get a few because i dont
                            think
                            > > > that has the mesh networking capabilities it has.
                            > > >
                            > > > anyhow, a few questions before i start
                            > > >
                            > > > 1) can you overcharge either the classic or the xtreme? or will
                            it
                            > > > stop charging the batteries once they are fully charged?
                            > > >
                            > > > 2) what can you program this thing in? im sorta used to VB6,
                            but im
                            > > > relativly new to programming anyway.
                            > > >
                            > > > 3) related to the previous question, how differnt is C to
                            whatever
                            > > > BASICs there are for the cybiko?
                            > > >
                            > > > thanks in advance!
                            > > >
                            > >
                            >






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                          • ultramagneus
                            wow, thanks for all your suggestions and comments. i was considering using this design for an antenna http://www.rason.org/Projects/collant/collant.htm but
                            Message 13 of 17 , May 8, 2006
                              wow, thanks for all your suggestions and comments.

                              i was considering using this design for an antenna
                              http://www.rason.org/Projects/collant/collant.htm but using 16 coax
                              elements, i found it by following links from here
                              http://cybikowireless.tripod.com/main/id2.html

                              one question, how does one update the OS of the xtreme? and how do you
                              tell if you need to update?

                              thanks in advance
                            • Andrew Murphy
                              http://www.planetcybiko.net should help if its up ultramagneus wrote: wow, thanks for all your suggestions and comments. i was considering using this design
                              Message 14 of 17 , May 8, 2006
                                http://www.planetcybiko.net should help if its up

                                ultramagneus wrote:
                                wow, thanks for all your suggestions and comments.

                                i was considering using this design for an antenna
                                http://www.rason.org/Projects/collant/collant.htm but using 16 coax
                                elements, i found it by following links from  here
                                http://cybikowireless.tripod.com/main/id2.html

                                one question, how does one update the OS of the xtreme? and how do you
                                tell if you need to update?

                                thanks in advance





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                              • michael Turney
                                Mr pope, You sound more technically advanced in programming. I wrote a few programs on the cybiko and had trouble with the memory allocation functions. My ram
                                Message 15 of 17 , May 26, 2006
                                  Mr pope,
                                           You sound more technically advanced in programming. I wrote a few programs
                                  on the cybiko and had trouble with the memory allocation functions. My ram
                                  would fill up and would not reallocate until boot. After finding out about the flaw in
                                  cybiko and other cellular phones of a short in the red charge light indicator IC
                                  my need for a new cybiko and an answer to the memory allocation is now a
                                  priority. complicated logging of information is what the program does. I would be
                                  happy to share if anyone has any answers. eleshuney@...

                                  Bryan Pope <athlor@...> wrote:
                                  Spooky,
                                      Just so you know, the Ham radio guy merely used an already existing
                                  undocumented function that was already in the SDK's header files to increase
                                  rf power. He was the 1st to put it to use. I made a similar program that
                                  used 1/10 the space (flash is important to my unexpanded Cybiko). Most of
                                  the size of his was implementing Greg Smith's raised 3D-like graphics API.

                                  ...
                                  There is a wonderful CYBIKO developers forum out there that has a Ham
                                  radio guy member named "Alex" who is really into this. He has
                                  deveolped a C routine to turn the RF output power UP a bit and a
                                  bunch of other routines to do remote base serial communcations with a
                                  computer or HAM radio xcvr. There is another guy there who has
                                  developed remote internet browsing and soon email using Cybiko. I
                                  forget the web site URL.
                                  ...


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                                • Bryan Pope
                                  ... programs ... ram ... about the flaw in ... indicator IC ... would be ... Is this a basic (b2c) program? I heard something long ago that it might not
                                  Message 16 of 17 , May 27, 2006
                                    > You sound more technically advanced in programming. I wrote a few
                                    programs
                                    > on the cybiko and had trouble with the memory allocation functions. My
                                    ram
                                    > would fill up and would not reallocate until boot. After finding out
                                    about the flaw in
                                    > cybiko and other cellular phones of a short in the red charge light
                                    indicator IC
                                    > my need for a new cybiko and an answer to the memory allocation is now a
                                    > priority. complicated logging of information is what the program does. I
                                    would be
                                    > happy to share if anyone has any answers. eleshuney@...
                                    Is this a basic (b2c) program? I heard something long ago that it might not
                                    release all memory.
                                    If you're using C, then you're not using the exit() function, are you? That
                                    too, has a bug that
                                    doesn't release all the mem allocated. You really have to keep track of
                                    allocated memory
                                    relentlessly, but it is possible to get it all back and programs have to
                                    drop out the bottom
                                    with a return 0L.
                                    Serial port... I've also heard of problems using the serial port for
                                    extending periods of time
                                    and you did mention logging. Absolutely worse-case scenario, if you're using
                                    the serial port
                                    for extended periods, you might have to incorporate a manual reset into your
                                    program if memory
                                    drops below a certain level. Not standard programming practices by any
                                    means, but possible.
                                    As would be auto-launching your program on reboot. Time lost while rebooting
                                    would temp
                                    loose logging though. Just idea'rs.
                                    B
                                  • Kevin Olalde
                                    FWIW, I wrote a C app that used the serial port almost constantly. I would run for weeks (months?), and when it did fail I m fairly sure it was my program at
                                    Message 17 of 17 , May 27, 2006
                                      FWIW, I wrote a C app that used the serial port almost constantly. I
                                      would run for weeks (months?), and when it did fail I'm fairly sure it
                                      was my program at fault, and not memory consumption.

                                      Thanks,
                                      ko


                                      Bryan Pope wrote:
                                      >> You sound more technically advanced in programming. I wrote a few
                                      >>
                                      > programs
                                      >
                                      >> on the cybiko and had trouble with the memory allocation functions. My
                                      >>
                                      > ram
                                      >
                                      >> would fill up and would not reallocate until boot. After finding out
                                      >>
                                      > about the flaw in
                                      >
                                      >> cybiko and other cellular phones of a short in the red charge light
                                      >>
                                      > indicator IC
                                      >
                                      >> my need for a new cybiko and an answer to the memory allocation is now a
                                      >> priority. complicated logging of information is what the program does. I
                                      >>
                                      > would be
                                      >
                                      >> happy to share if anyone has any answers. eleshuney@...
                                      >>
                                      > Is this a basic (b2c) program? I heard something long ago that it might not
                                      > release all memory.
                                      > If you're using C, then you're not using the exit() function, are you? That
                                      > too, has a bug that
                                      > doesn't release all the mem allocated. You really have to keep track of
                                      > allocated memory
                                      > relentlessly, but it is possible to get it all back and programs have to
                                      > drop out the bottom
                                      > with a return 0L.
                                      > Serial port... I've also heard of problems using the serial port for
                                      > extending periods of time
                                      > and you did mention logging. Absolutely worse-case scenario, if you're using
                                      > the serial port
                                      > for extended periods, you might have to incorporate a manual reset into your
                                      > program if memory
                                      > drops below a certain level. Not standard programming practices by any
                                      > means, but possible.
                                      > As would be auto-launching your program on reboot. Time lost while rebooting
                                      > would temp
                                      > loose logging though. Just idea'rs.
                                      > B
                                      >
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