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Re: [Crosley] Re: 1950 Roll down windows

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  • lhabarth@mdiwristwatch.com
    Hi Gary, I gave that idea some though also. It would be easy enough to change the doors on a standard to turn it into a Super. But the doors and front
    Message 1 of 6 , Feb 9, 2006
      Hi Gary,
      I gave that idea some though also.  It would be easy enough to change the doors on a standard to turn it into a Super.  But the doors and front fenders would need the second piece of stainless trim added in addition to the Super script on the fenders.  Also, the standard has the hood ornament and no fender ornaments but the Super has the opposite - fender ornaments and no hood ornament.  This means either replacing the hood or filling the holes and repainting it. The interior is also different between the standard and Super.  All this seems like alot of work for the factory.
      My car's doors were definitely converted from one piece windows not sliders because the front bracket for the one piece window is still attached.     
      I agree that the standards were probably slow sellers but I wonder if Crosley forced the dealers to take the standards before filling their orders for the Supers. 
      I wonder if Crosley stop making the standards after the Super was introducing in late June 1950?

      G foster <GFOSTER11@...> wrote:
      I was just thinking may be it was not a change of roll up to roll up but may
      be the order came in for a super and all they had at hand was the standard
      model with sliders?how hard is it to just change out the doors and put on
      that chrome name plate ?just curious what are the differences between the
      two.ill bet they were trying to get rid of the standards that may be slower
      sellers.Gary Foster
      ----- Original Message -----
      From: "mrcooby" <x779@...>
      To: <Crosley@yahoogroups.com>
      Sent: Thursday, February 09, 2006 10:29 AM
      Subject: [Crosley] Re: 1950 Roll down windows

      > "lhabarth@..." wrote:
      >  Thanks for the reply
      > Robert, I appreciate your
      > opinion.  I am sure the
      > original color is tan. I
      > didn't mention before but
      > it was repainted
      > turquoise/light blue over
      > the original tan sometime
      > before 1988 when I bought
      > the car. I have started
      > disassembling the car and
      > everything looks original.
      > The headliner and interior
      > has been removed and the
      > tan paint is everwhere:
      > under dash, behind interior
      > panels, underside of roof,
      > etc.  Behind the voltage
      > regulator is perfect shiny
      > tan paint.  I even found
      > the walnut decal on the
      > tailgate under the chrome
      > license plate light.
      > Since my car is a Super and
      > should have came with roll
      > down windows, I can't think
      > of a reason why somebody
      > would have replaced the
      > doors.  The body is very
      > solid so I don't think
      > somebody had to replaced
      > rotten out doors.
      > My theory would be that the
      > donor doors came off the
      > finished cars still at the
      > factory.  The doors would
      > then go to a work area for
      > modification. Then off to
      > the paint area were they
      > grabbed the first available
      > modified left and right
      > door, hence my mismatched
      > doors.
      > Also, there is no tan paint
      > on any of the window
      > mechanism, door latch
      > assembly and fasteners,
      > lock cylinder or rubber
      > mouldings.
      > I'd be happy to hear any
      > other theories since I am
      > stumped!
      > >
      > >   Larry
      > Larry <lhabarth@...> wrote:
      > Is there any chance that
      > Crosley factory would have
      > converted the doors with
      > the one piece windows into
      > two piece
      > window doors?
      >  Crosley introduced the
      > Super in 1950 with roll
      > down windows (one piece).
      > Later in the year they
      > switched to a fixed vent
      > window (two piece).  Does
      > anyone know how long the
      > one piece windows were
      > used?
      >  My car was built in July
      > 1950. The car appears to
      > have been originally
      > painted gay tan but the
      > doors appear to have
      > painted another color under
      > the gay tan.  One door looks
      > blue and the other seafoam
      > green. The sound deadener
      > inside both doors is also
      > painted gay tan but the
      > window crank mechanism is
      > painted black.  The
      > drivers door still has the
      > front bracket for the one
      > piece window and there is a
      > piece of metal brazed in to
      > support the bottom of the
      > vent window for the two
      > piece window.  The passenger
      > door doesn't have the front
      > bracket but does have the
      > metal piece brazed in for
      > the vent window.
      >  My guess is there was a
      > problem with the one piece
      > windows, possibly the
      > customers complainting that
      > it was too heavy to roll
      > up.
      > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~R:~~~~~~~~~~~~
      > I think the reasons are
      > lost in history but I'm
      > thinking that maybe there
      > was a fit problem with the
      > big one-piece window, or
      > maybe (and this sounds more
      > realistic) there was water
      > leakage happening - or
      > maybe Crosley, really
      > trying to economize by that
      > point, found it cheaper
      > somehow to make that
      > change, although I can't
      > imagine how, with the extra
      > work involved.
      > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      > then made a running change
      > and started pulling the
      > doors off the finished cars
      > to make the change for the
      > new windows.  Since they
      > had to braze the new vent
      > support, the doors would
      > have to be repainted. This
      > would explain why the
      > colors on my doors don't
      > match.
      > ~~~~~~~~~~~~R:~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      > One thing we did hear from
      > former Crosley employees at
      > the 1992 employee reunion
      > in Marion IN was that
      > quality control was
      > paramount, and that just
      > one inspector could shut
      > down the whole Crosley
      > assembly line until the
      > problem was corrected.
      > That flies right in the
      > face of those over the
      > years who have said that
      > Crosleys were thrown
      > together just because the
      > prices were low.
      > So maybe it was a running
      > change due to quality
      > problems.
      > I can relate a similar
      > story at Packard at around
      > that same time, where all
      > their 2-door Mayfair
      > hardtops leaked terribly
      > around the windows, and
      > this went on for a while
      > before it was corrected.
      > Kaiser never did correct
      > their leakage problems in
      > nine years.
      > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
      >  Could this theory be
      > correct or is it just
      > wishful thinking to explain
      > why my doors are a
      > different color!!
      > Larry
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